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anikin

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Aug 2017, 14:06    Post subject:  Google must be regulated  

Tucker: Google must be regulated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyGfOgxii8Q
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perdido


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Aug 2017, 18:04    Post subject:  

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Google is a virus on society. Europe has kind of woke up to that but only because they smell $$$
Maybe USA will do the anti-trust thing ala AT&T.
Amazon needs to be broken up too.

I don't use any google stuff except the damn phone with everything disabled.
Freaking creepy bastards = google.



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PostPosted: Wed 16 Aug 2017, 03:23    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Google is a virus on society. Europe has kind of woke up to that but only because they smell $$$
Maybe USA will do the anti-trust thing ala AT&T.
Amazon needs to be broken up too.

I don't use any google stuff except the damn phone with everything disabled.
Freaking creepy bastards = google.



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What if you are a person who bought a little Google stock at their IPO long ago, and that simple act has ended up providing for a retirement for your family and putting your kids through college? Believe it or not, their number are not few. In fact, it is quite decent sized. Are they (anyone associated with Google, employees included) still "evil" and needed to be "regulated"? My experience in life is that those on the outside of some said "boat" tend to think, when they see that boat on the high seas as it sails around the ocean over time, that it is the largest boat they've ever seen & therefore must only be populated, or sailed, by villianous, child-eating, blood-drinking pirates. With humans, perspective is a funny thing in this world. Since I'm still swimming in the ocean, and don't even have a life-raft, I want full-on Schadenfreude to happen to what must be those menacing, malformed inter-bred pirates. Come on, Moby Dick, rise out of the depths & bash them rich, greedy sailors to the bottom of the ocean Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Aug 2017, 08:16    Post subject:  

It is not the size that is causing the problem, it is the USE of that size in "bully boy" tactics that is being questioned.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Aug 2017, 10:16    Post subject:  

Why?
Among other reasons not related to size:
https://www.lifewire.com/google-tracks-most-everything-you-do-2483354?utm_campaign=computersl&utm_medium=email&utm_source=cn_nl&utm_content=10342648&utm_term=

https://www.lifewire.com/this-is-what-google-tracks-about-you-4064077

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anikin

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Aug 2017, 11:18    Post subject:  

Here's some more on the subject:

Tucker: Tech companies making us less tolerant, free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WfDXTLIJ5I

Steyn: Tech giants imposing idealogical straightjackets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNX35JrfyVw

Judge Napolitano: Censorship is a very dangerous business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKdfT2cgOg4
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belham2

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Aug 2017, 12:07    Post subject:  

What's scary about reading the replies here, and stuff pointed out as dangerous malfeasence on the part of Google, is the complete lack of subjectivity. Are any of you here old enough to remember Ma Bell, what happened in the 70s and early 80s, the things that were said that were happening about technology being concentrated at Bell, about all American(s) and America's privacy being threatened, monitored and invaded by Bell's policies at the time? Is there any perspective here? Don't flatter yourself and think that "this time is different". Because it is not. Emphatically it is not. The idiocy of the breaking up Bell came back to haunt everyone who was involved with it. Even everyone on Wall Street, who was involved with it (and gleefully raking in hundreds of millions on the breakup) shook their head at the collective stupidity that was being displayed. And it was being displayed because each and every person felt they understand exactly what was wrong, what needed to be done, and when it should be done. It is no different now. Google is the new Ma Bell. It is the new U.S Steel. It is the new (fill in the blanks here).

What none of you (other than Slavvo here on murga, because I know he has a similar background and possibly appreciation) can appreciate is the things the come out of left field (like Google did), create incredible but temporary (key word: temporary) empires, then succumb to the exact same out-of-left-field occurrence. You, myself, and/or no one else can put a time stamp on it. You and/or no one else can place your moral view on this time frame either. It just screams of the lack of "perspective" here.

Honestly, it is just stupefying to watch this on display. The absolute assurance that some have the belief they know what is best, that their right & wrong is the "only" type of right & wrong that exists in the world, and their attempt to lay claim to that and demand that it change another entity. And they seek others out with similar views in efforts to re-assure themselves they hold the correct view.

Listen: Google arose. It has arisen. It is a giant now. But it is not our place to seek some sort of misguided, or rather, mis-perceived, sense of right & wrong on them. Somebody and something is out-in-left-field right now, and it is coming , whether like a freight train or not, is not our jurisprudence to decide upon. It comes when the time is right, and it could even be barreling its way right now. Don't think or let yourself believe either that you, I and/or anyone else have a sense that our view of "time" is correct, therefore rip Google apart, slay it for something our imposed moral view believes 100%, not 99.99999%, but 100% correct.

Come on, people, as I grew older I was directly involved in the Ma Bell thing, and saw (even from my own thoughts & actions at the time) the incredible stupidity we all displayed during that period. Sh!t, we accomplished nothing, and the rhetoric then was even louder then than it is today about this new dangerously invasive "info" company called Google. Not even one of the Baby Bell breakups truly survived as a relevant force other than Verizon. and VZ have made it their business that past few decades trying to re-buy up all the old broken up (and renamed) Baby Bells in some misguided effort to become like the old Ma Bell. Time is crushing VZ. The new wireless players are slowly crushing them, and as soon as more of the free countrywide wifi keeps increasing in its technology and in its footprint, VZ will be gone. Google too, as other players emerge, will face pressure it never saw coming from technologies that are right now racing down the track toward us. Do yourself a favor, pick up the text (or Kindle it) the book "The Information", by James Gleick", and get a glimpse that we haven't even seen the a tiny prick of what is coming down the pike in terms of an information revolution. There's a reason it is considered one of the top 20 books of the past 5 years. What it profoundly leaves you with is this: our children will one day, possibly soon, speak of Google the same way I did of Ma Bell & what happen to it as I spoke to my father and mother when they were old but yet supposedly lived in that "dangerous" Ma Bell time. It was something that was wrong and a complete joke/farce.

In essence, it is not your and/or my job to stand and think we have absolute knowing to say what should happen to a company that came out of left field. You can debate this all you want, but history has proven this approach wrong so many times, in so many different cultures & countries with different types of economies, that it isn't even funny.


Sorry for the long response, but sometimes we need to save ourselves from ourselves. This is one of them..... Confused
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Aug 2017, 19:07    Post subject:  

I wouldn't say that Google is evil, but they definitely have bias. And if they abuse their power to impose that bias in a negative way, they deserve to get slapped.

I haven't heard anyone seriously calling for a breakup of Google, that is quite extreme, but some regulation or perhaps lawsuits and rulings may be needed. Think of what would've happened many years back if Microsoft in its heyday would have been allowed to exert its monopoly control over PCs and OEMs. Would we even have Google and Linux now? Hmmm...

Unfortunately, for many of these big socio-economic changes, the problem is we don't have a time machine. So you're only dealing with a sample size of one. You can't rewind the clock and see what would've happened if you didn't take any action.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Aug 2017, 10:57    Post subject:  

jd7654 wrote:
I wouldn't say that Google is evil, but they definitely have bias. And if they abuse their power to impose that bias in a negative way, they deserve to get slapped.


Some may remember that I have said before:
Good intentions plus stupidity looks just like evil.

Part of the problem is that companies have an IQ. As with all quotients, something must appear in the denominator. With companies, it tends to be the number of people in management positions. The problem of the left hand not knowing want the right hand is doing gets bigger when you add more hands.

https://www.ixquick.com/

https://duckduckgo.com/
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Aug 2017, 12:50    Post subject:  

Moose On The Loose wrote:
jd7654 wrote:
I wouldn't say that Google is evil, but they definitely have bias. And if they abuse their power to impose that bias in a negative way, they deserve to get slapped.


Some may remember that I have said before:
Good intentions plus stupidity looks just like evil.
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Though the percieved intentions may not be those which google initially intends to persue, in the end,
google will sell its services / information to whoever is willing to buy - whether the original intent
involved that or not.Google can and will change its user terms of service to support the whims of the market
(read that "when opportunity knocks") . Anyone that logs into google services becomes part of the
"google herd:, waiting to get milked.
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How to find out exactly what Google knows about you

First, you'll need to be signed into your Gmail or Google account.

Once you've done that, type "history.google.com/history" into your web browser.

You'll be taken to a hub which contains your entire digital footprint, so be careful, it could make for some grim reading.

This includes Maps searches and YouTube videos you've watched.

Click on "Activity Controls "on the left-hand side of the page.

Under "Web and App Activity", click "Manage Activity".

If Google's keeping tabs on you, there should be a stream of web pages and map searches that show up in chronological order.

You can randomly delete searches, or select all the searches to make them disappear.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4295350/did-you-know-google-has-been-secretly-recording-you-heres-how-to-find-the-creepy-audio-files-that-are-monitoring-your-conversations-every-day/

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Aug 2017, 07:28    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
You'll be taken to a hub which contains your entire digital footprint...

I have neither a Gmail nor a Google account, and I normally shutdown/reboot without saving any session changes to my pupsave file [no new cookies content saved]...
So would I have no "digital footprint"?
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Aug 2017, 08:28    Post subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
perdido wrote:
You'll be taken to a hub which contains your entire digital footprint...

I have neither a Gmail nor a Google account, and I normally shutdown/reboot without saving any session changes to my pupsave file [no new cookies content saved]...
So would I have no "digital footprint"?


Hi Sylvander,

I would suppose you have no digital footprint related to an email address or profile or account that google could use to throw
targeted ads at you. They should not know much about you except what the google web crawlers have found and archived.

If you have used google for searching - though not being logged into google, google will collect details of the search and any
metadata such as IP, browser, operating system, etc. and will extract and use information they can apply to marketing analysis.

Google not being regulated means they can scrape all the web content in the world and use that information any way they see fit.
By not having a google account of any kind means you are limiting your usefullness to google & associates.You are not one of the herd Smile

This is all conjecture on my part of course. For all I know, google may have figured a way to connect all the dots and know
everything about anybody that uses the internet or an android phone.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Aug 2017, 10:22    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
For all I know, google may have figured a way to connect all the dots and know everything about anybody that uses the internet...

I suspect this is the case. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2017, 06:09    Post subject:  

Google spends more money on lobbying the government than any other company in its quest to not be regulated in any way, shape or form.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/30/google-silicon-valley-corporate-lobbying-washington-dc-politics

Google shutting down its critics.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/zephyr-teachout-google-is-coming-after-critics-in-academia-and-journalism-its-time-to-stop-them/

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2017, 10:51    Post subject:  

perdido wrote:
Google spends more money on lobbying the government than any other company in its quest to not be regulated in any way, shape or form.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/30/google-silicon-valley-corporate-lobbying-washington-dc-politics

Google shutting down its critics.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/30/zephyr-teachout-google-is-coming-after-critics-in-academia-and-journalism-its-time-to-stop-them/

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These guys
https://www.ixquick.com/

and duckduckgo are competitors to google.

For a long time I have been saying that the era of the nation state is coming to an end and will be replaced with corporate states that are not tied to a physical location. Conglomerates are what is replacing empires. Armies are being replaced by "private security" and other mercenary forces. Democracies may hold the trend back for a while but I don't expect them to be able to keep enough of a focus to resist forever. Corporations are nearly perfect tyrannies and when is comes to singular purpose nothing beats a tyranny. The kings of old and their knights would not have seen our world coming.
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