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nic007


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 03:22    Post subject:  Install to USB flash drive  

We definitely need a sticky for this as every second beginner asks this question or has a problem with a usb install. I'll leave it to someone who can explain it well. Any volunteers? IT NEEDS TO BE A STICKY
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 12:09    Post subject:  

I agree with ya, Nic. But it could turn into quite a humungously large post; there's several different methods. Perhaps a good way to do it would be to create a post that includes links to many of the well-known ways of accomplishing this task.....including several that are here on the Forum?

Having said that, how many folks do you know that even bother with Forum 'stickies'.....despite the fact that they're there for the specific purpose of dispensing commonly asked-for information?


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 13:32    Post subject:  

I think the simplest method should be chosen, pointing a new user to several links with different methods will just be confusing.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 19:26    Post subject:  

Mm-hm. Fair enough. Which, of course, begs the question; what should be considered the 'easiest' method.....bearing in mind that some users need to install direct to USB, probably from within Windows.....because their lappies, netbooks, whatever, no longer come with an optical drive of any kind?

Personally, I've used the 'quick'n'dirty' method for a fair while; mounting the ISO, copying the files across, running Grub4DOS and installing to the USB drive.....job done. But that presupposes an already 'running' Pup; you can't do any of that from within Windows.

Which leads us to the 'specialist' items. UNetbootin? Rufus? Universal USB Installer? The dedicated Puppy apps are out of the picture, because, once again, you need to have a 'running' Pup to be able to use them.

So; what do you think? I'm more than happy to write such a 'sticky'; but I feel we need input as to what is considered the best and 'simplest' method. And if it should turn out to be a Windoze app, that kinda lets me out of the picture, since we don't have a MyCrudSoft box in the house....I won't be able to write 'from experience'..!

However, I'm still more than happy to help out with this one, if I can.


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 20:45    Post subject:  

On how to bridge the no CD / DVD gap when jumping from windows to linux by installing to a USB stick - maybe borrow some ideas from ubuntu....
https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
They use a windows program called RUFUS

If ubuntu recommends it - it is probably reliable?
Just a suggestion as the topic is looking for easiest way, though I have never used RUFUS.

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 20:50    Post subject: search 'grub4dos' in 'beginners section' finds 356 results !
Subject description: Grub4Dos is easy to use from Puppy
 

search 'grub4dos' in 'beginners section' finds 356 results !
Sure it's the more popular... By the Puppy forum readers.
Adding information how to install in downloading sites (sourceforge) perhaps will help brand new users.. Videos YouTube are nice, and many (excepted french ones, the prehistoric area)
Installing is 90 of topics in Linux forums. Grub4Dos is easy to use from Puppy, perhaps harder from another big Linux (but Linux users are not fond of puppy; they consider it as a toy)

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug 2017, 23:20    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
Mm-hm. Fair enough. Which, of course, begs the question; what should be considered the 'easiest' method.....bearing in mind that some users need to install direct to USB, probably from within Windows.....because their lappies, netbooks, whatever, no longer come with an optical drive of any kind?

Personally, I've used the 'quick'n'dirty' method for a fair while; mounting the ISO, copying the files across, running Grub4DOS and installing to the USB drive.....job done. But that presupposes an already 'running' Pup; you can't do any of that from within Windows.

Which leads us to the 'specialist' items. UNetbootin? Rufus? Universal USB Installer? The dedicated Puppy apps are out of the picture, because, once again, you need to have a 'running' Pup to be able to use them.

So; what do you think? I'm more than happy to write such a 'sticky'; but I feel we need input as to what is considered the best and 'simplest' method. And if it should turn out to be a Windoze app, that kinda lets me out of the picture, since we don't have a MyCrudSoft box in the house....I won't be able to write 'from experience'..!

However, I'm still more than happy to help out with this one, if I can.


Mike. Wink

I agree with the simple "quick and dirty" method you proposed, I was also thinking that. Perhaps we should just stick with downloading the iso, burning it to CD, booting the CD and using the "quick and dirty" install method. Most people will have the means to get the iso burnt to cd and have a cd/dvd drive to boot from, if not, well then they can ask more questions, So, we can even make the description: How to install puppy on a flashdrive booting from cd (as the main sticky post) and give links for alternative methods.
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 00:38    Post subject:  

FWIW, I'd structure it like this.

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Starting from Windows and you have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

Starting from Windows and you don't have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url] [btw - Universal USB Installer for these guys. It just works.]

Starting from Linux and you have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

Starting from Linux and you don't have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

You have a Pentium 4 or slower with less than 1 meg of Ram and you have a CD Burner -[url]Link[/url]

You have a Pentium 4 or slower with less than 1 meg of Ram and you don't have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

Than at each link, first step how to get up and running by burning the CD or installing to USB drive followed by how to get a frugal install on their hard drive once they've done that. Add option for full install just for the P4 and slower folks.

At least that would eliminate the first round of conversation when someone posts, "How do I install Puppy?" and get them on the right track for the equipment that they have.
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 01:56    Post subject: no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..  

Title 'install to an USB flash drive' :: of course no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..
Open the ISO, put it somewhere, GRUB4Dos .. are 30 seconds.. Burning is half a day.. Keep your CD player to play music Cool
beginners Guide Click the blue. This topic is Sticky, just append USB how-to, better stick together information topics.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 03:55    Post subject: Re: no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..  

Pelo wrote:
Title 'install to an USB flash drive' :: of course no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..
Open the ISO, put it somewhere, GRUB4Dos .. are 30 seconds.. Burning is half a day.. Keep your CD player to play music Cool
beginners Guide Click the blue. This topic is Sticky, just append USB how-to, better stick together information topics.

How do you run Grub4Dos?
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 09:45    Post subject:  

dancytron wrote:
FWIW, I'd structure it like this.

Quote:
Starting from Windows and you have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

Starting from Windows and you don't have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url] [btw - Universal USB Installer for these guys. It just works.]

Starting from Linux and you have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

Starting from Linux and you don't have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

You have a Pentium 4 or slower with less than 1 meg of Ram and you have a CD Burner -[url]Link[/url]

You have a Pentium 4 or slower with less than 1 meg of Ram and you don't have a CD Burner - [url]Link[/url]

Than at each link, first step how to get up and running by burning the CD or installing to USB drive followed by how to get a frugal install on their hard drive once they've done that. Add option for full install just for the P4 and slower folks.

At least that would eliminate the first round of conversation when someone posts, "How do I install Puppy?" and get them on the right track for the equipment that they have.


Mm-hm. That's what I mean about it turning into a long post. Although it's nice to say there's just one, easy method for doing this, you have an awful lot of variables.....and I've noticed that many of today's newbies are no longer asking 'simple' questions (and are no longer satisfied with simple, easy 'fixes'). They've heard that Linux is complicated, and seem to be under the impression that a 'simple, easy fix' can't possibly be any good! Rolling Eyes

On top of which, the authors of most of the stickies already in the Beginner's forum are still around, and I doubt they'd be happy to see their posts removed to make way for another... I honestly think there's too many as it is.

I think we just need to accept that this simply is one of those questions that will keep on cropping up, over and over again. And in many cases, because of some of the truly ancient hardware that's coming to light, I feel individual, 'tailored' solutions will have to be the order of the day.

And at the end of the day, this ultimately comes down to Flash's discretion. Does he want yet another 'sticky'?

I'm not being a 'nay-sayer' here, or simply 'pooh-poohing' the idea. I'm merely trying to think it through...


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 11:24    Post subject: Re: no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..  

nic007 wrote:
Pelo wrote:
Title 'install to an USB flash drive' :: of course no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..
Open the ISO, put it somewhere, GRUB4Dos .. are 30 seconds.. Burning is half a day.. Keep your CD player to play music Cool
beginners Guide Click the blue. This topic is Sticky, just append USB how-to, better stick together information topics.

How do you run Grub4Dos?


You find it in your menu. It is in the top three categories. Seek and ye shall find
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 13:43    Post subject: Re: no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..  

Gordie wrote:
nic007 wrote:
Pelo wrote:
Title 'install to an USB flash drive' :: of course no need to burn a CD even if you Have a CD burner..
Open the ISO, put it somewhere, GRUB4Dos .. are 30 seconds.. Burning is half a day.. Keep your CD player to play music Cool
beginners Guide Click the blue. This topic is Sticky, just append USB how-to, better stick together information topics.

How do you run Grub4Dos?


You find it in your menu. It is in the top three categories. Seek and ye shall find

Yes but how do you run it if no operating system is running (in order to run it). Seek and let me know.
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 13:58    Post subject: Do it from a computer having an OS  

Do it from a computer having an OS .. to burn a CD would be the same, no OS, no Burn.
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug 2017, 14:51    Post subject: Re: Do it from a computer having an OS  

Pelo wrote:
Do it from a computer having an OS .. to burn a CD would be the same, no OS, no Burn.

But you skipped that very important fact in your post.
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