DD (openbox)/XenialDog General Discussion Thread

[backi]

Before i forget .....There is another Mysterie....

WHAT HAPPENED TO RUFWOOF ?????.....
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=110741

Did he became a buddhist monk living in an Himalayan Cave , making a vow never to touch a keybord again until he reaches liberation from all material boundaries ??

Rufwoof... voodoo chile.... can you hear me ???.......

" I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time
I'll give it right back to ya one of this days .
If I don't meet you no more in this world then I'll meet ya on the next one........and don't be late " .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifWJkcvKYOg

[anikin]

Looks like all parties are happy - Love, peace and sunshine everywhere! My little contribution to the process:
If you guys are worried, that your Debian/Ubuntu installs may have "impure," non-free software, here's how to purify your system of filth in 3 simple steps:
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 apt-get update && apt-get purge {amd64,intel}-microcode firmware-{linux{,-nonfree},b43{,legacy}-installer} unrar b43-fwcutter iucode-tool ttf-mscorefonts-installer

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apt-get install vrms

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vrms
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vrms

and the output is

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root@debian:~# vrms

No non-free or contrib packages installed on debian!  rms would be proud.
root@debian:~# 

[fredx181]

As far as I saw, you didn't add the "Maintainers Wanted" message yet, good idea if you ask me.

Do you mind if you do that when you have time? The iso images looking for new maintainers are your uploads and I think you will have more success finding someone to maintain them. You can add the same message in the first post threads for each DD iso version.

Yes, ok, I'll see.

Also it will be nice if you add license to your other work there. Otherwise it isn't free open source project:
https://github.com/DebianDog/MakeLive
https://github.com/DebianDog/SFSget

I've done that.

Fred

[fredx181]

Before i forget .....There is another Mysterie....

WHAT HAPPENED TO RUFWOOF ?????.....
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=110741

Did he became a buddhist monk living in an Himalayan Cave , making a vow never to touch a keybord again until he reaches liberation from all material boundaries ??

Rufwoof... voodoo chile.... can you hear me ???.......

" I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time
I'll give it right back to ya one of this days .
If I don't meet you no more in this world then I'll meet ya on the next one........and don't be late " .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifWJkcvKYOg

Yes, that's a real pity he left us, didn't know till now.
Frequently he had very creative ideas, RUFWOOF, COME BACK AND JOIN THE NEW REBORN PROJECT PLEASE!!

Fred

[rufwoof]

Rufwoof... voodoo chile.... can you hear me ???.......

Spooky Backi. Same day after a couple of weeks or so of not having visited Puppy Murga, and I just so happened to browse ... spine chilling!

Yes I have found Zen elsewhere. Puppy Murga is no longer a primary/daily interest for me. Nor is Debian (or Ubuntu - being a derivative). As I see it the Puppy forum is no longer a Puppy forum and has been largely taken over by Dogs - none of which are Puppy Linux. The yo-yo conflicts within the Dogs is not to my liking. As to Debian, well 'Stable' having 900 bugs or whatever the (high) number is ... isn't something I particularly want to stick with when better alternatives (at least for me i.e. FreeBSD/Xfce works exceptionally well on my particular AMD/Nvidia hardware) are available (Debian Stable only has security or critical bugs fixed, whilst leaving many (many) other bugs as-is).



Pretty much explains why I have no need or desire to partake of this board any further. Wish you and the gang well with your community rebirth and thanks for the past experiences that were (mostly) both fun to partake of and educational.

[mcewanw]

Oh well...

Let this be a thread of positive thoughts and aspirations from now on and the 'Dogs' more generally...

Sunshine here in New Zealand this morning and I'm off with the family for some primary/elementary school plastic duck racing fund-raising with some brave souls going for a swim in the winter sea.

Cheers, William

[mcewanw]

Indeed github is diffucult, I have some experience the last year, but still feel clumsy and don't have any experience how to handle e.g. multiple users doing commits and also: mixing doing commits on the website itself and from the commandline.
To prevent strange things occur, I always use commandline pushing and I use --force (maybe that's wrong)

Fred

Maybe SmartGit GUI that BarryK uses/discusses would prove useful?

http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00355

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=106704

[fredx181]

Maybe SmartGit GUI that BarryK uses/discusses would prove useful?
.....

Thanks, I'll have a look at it.

And... Thanks again for your efforts last week.

Fred

[fredx181]

Hi Dan,

MD5 file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sted9xfrgydo ... o.md5?dl=0

ISO file (276 MB): https://www.dropbox.com/s/rljp21ou554p5 ... 7.iso?dl=0

Tested the ISO you shared earlier and couldn't find any problems either. (but tested not much yet, though)

Only thing is that the kernel version is from the time when Stretch was still in testing stage (4.9.0-2-amd64)
To fix that, here's tar.gz archive containing vmlinuz1 and initrd files for latest kernel:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/53n ... d64.tar.gz
(aufs support and squashfs full LZ4 support added)
There's a Readme inside, but basically it comes down simply to: install latest kernel: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64, e.g. with synaptic, replace vmlinuz1 and initrd files in the 'live' folder with new ones from the tar.gz archive (first make backup of originals) and reboot (with saving changes).



If all went well you can uninstall old version 4.9.0-2-amd64 (and do some more cleaning, see Readme)

Once 4.9.0-3-amd64 is installed, 'upgrade-kernel' should work in the future, deb package of new version included (has some modifications), but not much tested yet.
(probably the kernel version will stay at 4.9.0-3-amd64 but when there's upgrade available the package version will change, e.g. 4.9.30-2+deb9u1, as it is now)

Fred

[Robert123]

Hi Rufwoof,
Wishing you the best. You'll be missed.

[backi]

Rufwoof wrote :

Spooky Backi. Same day after a couple of weeks or so of not having visited Puppy Murga, and I just so happened to browse ... spine chilling!

Some kind of telepathy......

As a real pioneer(spirit) (Auguste? Piccard)...as what i do regard you...seems you made your decision.....but i guess your not a too dogmatic person...
I like your unconventional,individual "avantgardistic" and also rational but not excentric approach/( more some style ).
Me probably not the only one ....

Respect!.....as my spiritual master Ali G. would say .

So long story short......maybe one day we`ll see you "Back on the Chain-Gang "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK3uf5V0pDA

.......or maybe you make ( enjoying life as a free man ) just occasionally some trips here down to "Dogs Hell Boot-Camp"......just for fun .

Greetings

Before i forget :

As to Debian, well 'Stable' having 900 bugs or whatever the (high) number is .
Debian Stable only has security or critical bugs fixed, whilst leaving many (many) other bugs as-is).

Also read this kind of comments about Debian Stable on Distrowatch .Seems not just a conspiracy theory .
Something which should be seriously considered .

O.K. so i do hope not just to meet you on the next world ,but also in this one (maybe ) again..... don`t be late .....

[dancytron]

Hi Dan,

MD5 file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sted9xfrgydo ... o.md5?dl=0

ISO file (276 MB): https://www.dropbox.com/s/rljp21ou554p5 ... 7.iso?dl=0

Tested the ISO you shared earlier and couldn't find any problems either. (but tested not much yet, though)

Only thing is that the kernel version is from the time when Stretch was still in testing stage (4.9.0-2-amd64)
To fix that, here's tar.gz archive containing vmlinuz1 and initrd files for latest kernel:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/53n ... d64.tar.gz
(aufs support and squashfs full LZ4 support added)
There's a Readme inside, but basically it comes down simply to: install latest kernel: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64, e.g. with synaptic, replace vmlinuz1 and initrd files in the 'live' folder with new ones from the tar.gz archive (first make backup of originals) and reboot (with saving changes).



If all went well you can uninstall old version 4.9.0-2-amd64 (and do some more cleaning, see Readme)

Once 4.9.0-3-amd64 is installed, 'upgrade-kernel' should work in the future, deb package of new version included (has some modifications), but not much tested yet.
(probably the kernel version will stay at 4.9.0-3-amd64 but when there's upgrade available the package version will change, e.g. 4.9.30-2+deb9u1, as it is now)

Fred

I'll try it later and if I am successful, I'll upload a new remaster.

[dancytron]

Quick question. In the readme file you say:

Then if desired, clean up:
- Remove the files in /boot except the file config-4.9.0-3-amd64 and remove the symlinks on /

There were 2 symlinks, I only removed the one that said ".old". Was that correct or should I delete both of them?

[fredx181]

Hi All,

For info:
Don't want to put too much weight on my shoulders, so I will continue trying to maintain only XenialDog 32-bit and 64-bit (added a line on XD first posts that I continue maintainIng it)
Also in the future I will work and/or help on developing/maintaining Stretch versions 32 and 64 bit, but prefer not to do it alone, so anyone...? (any help is welcome, as stated earlier in this thread)
(64 bit has already been worked on by dancytron and me as you can see in this thread)

These Debiandog ISO's, I will stop working on, so don't have a maintainer now:
DebianDog64 - 64 bit DebianDog-Jessie
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101931
DebianDog - Jessie - Continued
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=108535

Fred

[fredx181]

There were 2 symlinks, I only removed the one that said ".old". Was that correct or should I delete both of them?

Delete both of them, they point to files in /boot (not used by 'live' system, the files in /boot have no use, only take space)

Fred

[backi]

Hi everyone !
Regarding Debian 9 Stretch and increasing demand for releasing a new Debian Dog Stretch .
Don`t want to sound negative......but there are a lot concerns about Stretch Stable being stable.....find more and more reports about problems ...
This is one example from Distrowatch " Readers comments " today .

23 • debian 9 32bit (by george on 2017-06-26 06:40:27 GMT from Italy)
Debian 9 is ok (i tested the mate version) also if it is better waiting few weeks for the 9.1 more robust version before updating from version 8. But Debian 9 32bit version has an incredible bug for a so long tested distribution: Libreoffice writer does not start from menu or command line and crashes with no error indication. It shall be interesting to see if
this macroscopic error will be corrected in few time (debian reaction times are often very long)

Maybe better not jump the gun...there is (IMO) no need to hurry .Jessie still works fine for me .

Greetings !

[mcewanw]

I'm delighted that XenialDog will continue to be maintained, because my kids use some games that tend to be better supported by Ubuntu than Debian... bad reason I suppose.

On a technical level, I'd actually like to see a very non-pure distribution somehow merging parts of Puppy Linux with Ubuntu or Debian. I know modern Pups do that anyway (XenialPup and TahrPup and so on), but main thing I'd like to see if it proved possible to not only use Debian or Ubuntu standard kernels with Puppy but also have Puppy working with dpkg database/apt. I don't know if the latter is possible or even makes sense, and no doubt some standard Puppy apps would need hidden or pinned or whatever from dpkg, but it would be great to see that package management/database system integrated into Puppy.

Debian/Ubuntu compatible Dogs already work well - and no doubt will be kept up to date and updated, but for something new I'd like to see a Puppy/Debian or Puppy/Ubuntu mongrel including dpkg/apt/Synaptics despite the imperfections/issues such a distribution would have to contend with in terms of dpkg database corruption. Maybe dreaming.

William

EDIT: Oh... and I'd like to see 'official' Debian or Ubuntu packages being usable with Puppy but, where possible with some mechanism to reduce the often too huge number of dependencies - I have a feeling that may not be possible.

[saintless]

Hi William.

...but for something new I'd like to see a Puppy/Debian or Puppy/Ubuntu mongrel including dpkg/apt/Synaptics despite the imperfections/issues such a distribution would have to contend with in terms of dpkg database corruption. Maybe dreaming.

There was such project:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=94101
It didn't work well. You can read there my opinion why this method is wrong from the start.

But it is possible the other way arownd. Boot standard Debian with puppy initrd.gz and modify all puppy scripts to work with Debian. Still it is huge work adapting and testing the system but very possible. Properly generated /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE and other important files using debian kernel with sisVinit or systemd is already a fact. The rest is adapting puppy scripts (otherwise the multiuser functions will be broken) and some special binaries in deb packages. Still huge work as I wrote. And what is the point? The official live-boot or casper package (with few extra scripts in the main system) can do almost anything what Puppy does (and even more).

Toni

[saintless]

Hi Fred.

Also in the future I will work and/or help on developing/maintaining Stretch versions 32 and 64 bit, but prefer not to do it alone, so anyone...? (any help is welcome, as stated earlier in this thread)

Working with stretch based system at the moment is asking for troubles but as you wish. If you start new thread we will never make this community project. But if you like to do it I don't mind. I think atleast one more new developer should come on board (and in the organisation page).

BTW just for information I don't plan to update any package repository for the existing versions. If someone likes to work on extra package repository updates the old threads are open. All old package repositories are here:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/

Toni

[fredx181]

Hi Toni,

Working with stretch based system at the moment is asking for troubles but as you wish. If you start new thread we will never make this community project. But if you like to do it I don't mind. I think atleast one more new developer should come on board (and in the organisation page).

Not sure if I understand well what you mean, why "never" make this community project ?

I would agree btw, that Stretch isn't stable enough now, but nothing wrong with starting development step by step IMO, but indeed, as a co-operation would be best.
But, as I said, I may have misunderstood what your point exactly is.

EDIT: Ah, maybe I see what you mean: That it's too early, first we need more people who seriously want to help with DD development.
In that case, yes, but to be honest, I'm not very optimistic about that.

Fred