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Debian 9 "Stretch" released
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jun 2017, 12:23    Post subject:  Debian 9 "Stretch" released  

Debian 9 "Stretch" released
June 17th, 2017

After 26 months of development the Debian project is proud to present its new stable version 9 (code name "Stretch"), which will be supported for the next 5 years thanks to the combined work of the Debian Security team and of the Debian Long Term Support team.

Debian 9 is dedicated to the project's founder Ian Murdock, who passed away on 28 December 2015.
Read more here: https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617.en.html

update
There was some suspense, but finally it's here.
The best way to acquaint yourself with this release is to start using it from a live ISO (burn it to CD, or USB). Debian has a bit of everything for everyone. The following desktop environments are available: cinnamon, gnome, kde, lxde, mate, xfce. Choose your poison! Download here:
32 bit
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
64 bit
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Debian Wiki
https://wiki.debian.org
Debian Documentation Project
http://www.debian.org/doc/ddp
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Congratulations on this very special occasion, my fellow Linux neophytes and our little unwashed brothers and sisters!
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jun 2017, 13:21    Post subject:  

Interesting. If I build debian-stretch puppy now, does that mean it takes the stuff from Debian 9 "stable"?
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jun 2017, 13:52    Post subject:  

Sailor,

Have a look at the right upper corner here: https://www.debian.org/ as of this writing it still shows Jessie as Stable. It could change any moment, though. I don't know how to setup repos in woof.

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Flash,

Can you please, delete this and Sailor's above post from this thread?
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jun 2017, 17:14    Post subject: PPM Puppy stretch downloads Appas without binaries
Subject description: yes, pupjibaro jessie, by Josep2424.
 

"After 26 months of development the Debian project is proud to present its new stable version 9 " development is finished, now maintenance team will help users for troubles running it..
I am not sure, but it seems that PPM Puppy stretch downloads apps without binaries ..
I was just taking a glance at Puppy Stretch. Wait for more accurate comments. Perhaps apps were unfortunately incomplete. I will check again.
We shall wait that tests fully done before installing Strecth version for Puppy Linux. Please keep us informed when Puppies based on Stretch are fully serviceable. Merci Smile
Is There a Puppy Jessie serviceable ? yes, pupjibaro jessie, by Josep2424.
Stretch bêta, for technicians.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jun 2017, 17:49    Post subject:  

anikin wrote:
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Flash,

Can you please, delete this and Sailor's above post from this thread?

Hello all.

What a strange request. Why? There is no need, IMO.

There is nothing offensive in either post, they both carry some info and
they are on topic.

Best regards.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jun 2017, 22:29    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
anikin wrote:
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Flash,

Can you please, delete this and Sailor's above post from this thread?

Hello all.

What a strange request. Why? There is no need, IMO.

There is nothing offensive in either post, they both carry some info and
they are on topic.

Best regards.

*What a strange response*
Strange, but not surprising, musher0 doesn't have a mindset of a Debianist. He can only see what's on the surface Smile

Seriously, though, I started this thread jumping ahead of myself. I was tracking the release online as it unfolded: https://bits.debian.org/2017/06/upcoming-stretch-fr.html I should have waited a little bit. The Debian website at that time still had Jessie as stable, now it IS Stretch. From this viewpoint those two posts DO seem to be out of place and misleading.
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jun 2017, 01:11    Post subject:  

I don't see a problem, anikin.

I think it's even a good thing that you mentioned this transit to "Stable" in
this thread. Puppyists less familiar with the Debian cycle will now know a bit
more about it.

BFN.

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backi

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jun 2017, 14:41    Post subject:  

Hi !
Found this critical comment regarding Debian 9 Stretch on Distrowatch:


Quote:
21 • Debian 9 bugged (by LorenzoC on 2017-06-19 16:17:38 GMT from Italy)
I tried to upgrade from Debian 8 and making a "clean" install, there are tons of bugs in Debian 9, like USB dongles not working while the kernel spits cryptic and useless errors, CDs that cannot be unmounted either accessed, weird Networkmanager behavior and so on.

So much for an "extra-stable" distro, years of development and testing for this?.
Regression translates in depression.


https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20170619#comments
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jun 2017, 15:53    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Hi !
Found this critical comment regarding Debian 9 Stretch on Distrowatch:


Quote:
21 • Debian 9 bugged (by LorenzoC on 2017-06-19 16:17:38 GMT from Italy)
I tried to upgrade from Debian 8 and making a "clean" install, there are tons of bugs in Debian 9, like USB dongles not working while the kernel spits cryptic and useless errors, CDs that cannot be unmounted either accessed, weird Networkmanager behavior and so on.

So much for an "extra-stable" distro, years of development and testing for this?.
Regression translates in depression.


https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20170619#comments



Hi Backi!

Ignore those posts from the Fedora and OpenSUSE gang (I recognize a couple).....they always do that (leave nasty comments) every time Debian does something new. And what's even funnier: like Fedora and OpenSUSE have never had problems---good Lord, they both are magnitudes worse (even to this day) than what Debian does and is doing. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jun 2017, 23:37    Post subject:  

install Debian 9 to a USB stick which is then mounted and runs as an Underdog to Puppy Tahr 6.0.6 running from a HDD......do you think it is possible?
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musher0


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 02:18    Post subject:  

rockedge wrote:
install Debian 9 to a USB stick which is then mounted and runs as an Underdog to Puppy Tahr 6.0.6 running from a HDD......do you think it is possible?

HI Rockedge.

It's probably possible technically. But you want to do that because... ?
I mean:
why stack two complete distros one on top of the other?
What would be the benefit?

Also watch out for the compatibility between the glibc versions. tahrpup is
excellent on its own, but its glibc is "old" by now, it has to be 3-4 version
numbers behind that of the Stretch.

Will tahrpup be able to run the Stretch apps with its C lib version... ?
(Drum roll...) Smile

BFN.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 04:48    Post subject:  

Added links to Debian Wiki & Documentation.
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backi

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 04:50    Post subject:  

Hi belham !

Quote:
Hi Backi!

Ignore those posts from the Fedora and OpenSUSE gang (I recognize a couple).....they always do that (leave nasty comments) every time Debian does something new. And what's even funnier: like Fedora and OpenSUSE have never had problems---good Lord, they both are magnitudes worse (even to this day) than what Debian does and is doing.


Was not aware about those nasty games.....good to know.
Going to stop spreading these " bad news " about Debian 9 Stretch.

Regards !
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 08:32    Post subject:  

Hi !

musher0 wrote :

Quote:
why stack two complete distros one on top of the other?
What would be the benefit?


I am also curious . Maybe naive question ...... so please ...why ???
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jun 2017, 09:34    Post subject:  

why does anyone climb Mt. Everest? Und warum nicht? Ja es ist etwas wahnsinnig, aber.....

No real reason except to see if I can do it. To be able to run a complete set of programs through Debian. PPM is horrible. It is becoming more difficult to add repos to the Puppy package manager.....all I do at times is spend HOURS getting some things to eventually run in Puppy so for the science of Tahrpup I would like to see what advantage if any and just another level of understanding on how puppies work in certain conditions. Maybe a super web server and maybe it will be a terrible waste of time.

I have a really nice Debian 9 running from a 16 gig USB stick which I am using to post this. Took some tries but using 2 usb sticks to install it works well in the end. So I am ready to run the experiment and see how it behaves.

I will let you know how it looks at the summit.
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