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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 19 May 2017, 02:37    Post subject:  Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)
Subject description: A pup compiled from source in OpenEmbedded
 

Pyro64 0.2alpha, 19 May 2017
The very first Quirky Linux built from packages compiled in OpenEmbedded.

There is another forum thread discussing OpenEmbedded here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=110453

I started this new thread just for the Pyro distribution. This is likely to be an ongoing project, using the current source code base.

The name "Pyro" is the latest release, version number 2.3, of OpenEmbedded (and Yocto).

Here are some release notes and issues:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky6/amd64/releases/pyro-0.2/pyro64-0.2alpha-readme.htm

Blog announcement, with download links:
http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00545

Feedback is welcome!

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belham2

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PostPosted: Fri 19 May 2017, 04:22    Post subject:  

Hi Barry,

Out of giving sites a 2nd chance (it's right next door to me), I just tried to download from NLUUG, and for the "pyro64-0.2usfs.xz", it seemed to go ok and was the correct size, with the md5 checking correctly.

But when I tried the "devx-0.2-pyro64.pet", which I tried twice, the NLUUG downloaded something that was 1.1GB in size & the md5 did not check correctly either time.

Going to wipe everything from the NLUUG site, which is ok since I haven't trusted them for a few years now, and will try Ibiblio for the same downloads.




[UPDATE: both devx & usfs.xz downloaded & md5 checked correctly from Ibiblio, not sure what happened (twice) with NLUUG for the devx}
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PostPosted: Fri 19 May 2017, 06:25    Post subject:  

Yes, others have reported that problem with nluug.

belham2,
I saw your other post:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=949821#949821

Well, Quirky is intended as an experimental distribution, not to replace the mainline Puppy.

As I stated early on when developing Quirky, it is likely to change. Indeed it has, a few times, including various "frugal" experiments.
Yes, there is a frugal mode, which I haven't given much attention to, as I personally prefer the full install these days.

Recently, Jan this year, there is Easy Puppy, another Quirky, which is "container friendly" and is frugal mode, with save to a folder.
So, no save file.

There is a thread in this forum on Easy Puppy. I have neglected it the last month or so, as have been working on compiling from source in OpenEmbedded.
I will have another look at it soon.

Ha ha, just looking at the page I wrote years ago, when Quirky first started:
http://barryk.org/quirky/

...very out of date, but it did spell out that Quirky is experimental, and subject to change, as indeed it has compared to the items listed on that page.

Easy is an interesting new direction, see the page I wrote introducing it:
http://barryk.org/easy/how-easy-works.htm
And there is a forum thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109958

...yes, Easy needs some TLC, I will probably do a new build using these Pyro64 packages.

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Fri 19 May 2017, 14:41    Post subject: Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)  

I used the install to partition script from Slacko64 6.9.9.1 to a 16gb
SDHC card.

Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Memory 3921MB (97MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Quirky Pyro64
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Fri May 19 14:34:05 2017
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Unknown
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel

Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 4.10.9-yocto-standard (x86_64)
Version #1 SMP Sat May 13 18:14:07 GMT-8 2017
C Library GNU C Library version 2.25 (stable)
Distribution Quirky Pyro64

I got Kodi setup and working (once the devx was installed).
Kodi doesn't want to shut down, restarting x to get out of it.

That's it so far, will test more later,
Thanks.
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slackfan

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PostPosted: Fri 19 May 2017, 17:09    Post subject:  

never more

- old iso's able to work from CD without installation and able to be remastered as in old puppy's

- one bones as offered from time to time in the past by Mr. Barry to permit to build own versions on a very solide base

the last one was probably Quirky-Unicorn-experimental-6.2.1.91.iso, was an iso, was a minimal one and did excite the puppy lovers for a long time (a too long time Rolling Eyes !)

Question

(accessory question: did the announced Puppy / Quirky with 64 kernel for 32 bit applications be offered to download as ISO?)
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PostPosted: Fri 19 May 2017, 21:17    Post subject: Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)  

I did another install to a 32gb usb-3.0 flash drive.

Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Celeron(R) 2957U @ 1.40GHz
Memory 1904MB (138MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Quirky Pyro64
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Fri May 19 21:06:58 2017
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Unknown
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 4.10.9-yocto-standard (x86_64)
Version #1 SMP Sat May 13 18:14:07 GMT-8 2017
C Library GNU C Library version 2.25 (stable)
Distribution Quirky Pyro64
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Version 1.19.1
Monitors
Monitor 0 1920x1080 pixels

Kodi still won't shut down so need to restart x to get out of it.
I thought the faater usb-3.0 drive might help but no.

This pc isn't quite up to core 2 duo standard I guess but seems to be
fast enough.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky Pyro64, version 0.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri2 evdev extmod glx present

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1920x1080 pixels (508x285 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

The computer is connected to a 32" TV by HDMI, Kodi is using the TV speakers.

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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 04:58    Post subject:  

Billtoo,
Thanks for testing!

You don't need to restart X to kill kodi.
Just minimize the window, then right-click on it (in the taskbar) and choose "kill".

I did a google, found heaps and heaps and heaps of posts about kodi not shutting down. I read one post where the guy said this problem has been there for years and not resolved.

It is blamed on misbehaving add-ons, however, there are many posts from people who have this problem and who have not added any add-ons. Only the built-in ones that come with kodi.

Here is one discussion:
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=288333

And here is a fix:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kodi#Kodi_hangs_on_exit.2C_fully_occupying_one_CPU_core.2C_UI_unresponsive

...it works, but it is an awful fix. It solves the problem by crashing kodi, which results in a crash report in /root.

What you do is go to /usr/share/kodi/addons/skin.estuary.xml
and change the text "Quit()" to this:

Code:
System.Exec ("killall --signal SIGHUP kodi.bin")


But, if we can't fix it properly, I will have to resort to doing this.

Oh, one other thing, you don't need the "devx" to run kodi. if it won't start for you, try running "kodi" in a terminal.
If it crashes, there will be a report in /root, and if it starts, it runs a log in /root/.kodi/temp/

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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 05:05    Post subject:  

I am keen to know what you guys think of kodi versus xine.

The download is 290MB, and kodi is about 30MB of that. Enormous.
On the otherhand, xine is very small.

So, what does kodi do for us that xine doesn't?

As I would prefer to have a smaller build, I am inclined to leave kodi out, but it would still be available via the PPM.

...unless there are some really compelling uses for it, that xine won't do.

Just remembered, there is pupRadio and pupTelly in the Multimedia menu, but I don't know if that still works. Can't recall, maybe it needs mplayer.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 06:00    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:

What you do is go to /usr/share/kodi/addons/skin.estuary.xml
and change the text "Quit()" to this:

Code:
System.Exec ("killall --signal SIGHUP kodi.bin")




No, that didn't do it. Well, it did, but left behind an empty window in the tray. It needs a "SIGINT" (2) to properly kill it, so this works:

Code:
System.Exec ("killall -2 kodi.bin")

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Philh

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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 17:32    Post subject:  

Tried on some laptops
I couldnt get x to start.
I tried modesetting 1366x768 non vesa
Test x now works ok.
So click ok ,finished
goes to prompt. Type xwin and then get
x fails to start try xorgwizard.

Then I tried vesa 1366x768 non vesa and get the same result.
Test x works ok but x fails to start

Quirky normally picks the radeon driver for these laptops

There was a message when running xorgwizard
xorgwizard-cli line 80 ddcprobe: command not found

Xine works ok for me. Works with pupradio.

Galculator needs libquadmath.so.0

SNS
There was a post about displaying networks in order of strength
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109503
I dont know if you think its a good idea.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 May 2017, 23:23    Post subject:  

Philh wrote:
SNS
There was a post about displaying networks in order of strength
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109503
I dont know if you think its a good idea.


Thanks for that link. Yes, it is a good idea.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 May 2017, 21:23    Post subject: looks cool
Subject description: here's a mirror (google drive)
 

mirror for Quirky Pyro64
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PostPosted: Mon 22 May 2017, 02:22    Post subject: Pyro64
Subject description: Networking
 

I don't find any static IP (LAN) settings in Pyro64. It is missing from Networking setup, which was available other Puppy DerivatiVes. Found only DHCP settings in LAN setup.
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PostPosted: Mon 22 May 2017, 08:02    Post subject: Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)  

Initial Test:

Hi Barry,

Install, using the 8GB image with Win32Diskimager, was to an 8GB SanDisk Cruzer Fit USB 2 stick.

That booted fine on my old Samsung netbook with working sound and wireless.
(It has an 4xIntel Atom CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz with 2045MB of ram)

Subjectively it is very quick and easily on a par with your old T2 builds.

A list of missing libs is attached but I am yet to see any impact caused by their absence.

The only app so far installed is the latest Google Chrome stable.
For anyone wanting that, I have also attached a pet to install and then to subsequently update it.
Please note that it does not provide any sandboxing. Nor does it give any pretence
that there is any sandboxing. It does not upset CUPs permissions.
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PostPosted: Mon 22 May 2017, 08:33    Post subject: Quirky Pyro64 version 0.2 (alpha)
Subject description: accelerated modesetting
 

My little box Asrock AD2550-ITX has the famous poulsbo graphics chip.

I could get x to start after some tweaks...
modesetting 1280x1024
Test x works but then get
Code:
x fails to start  try xorgwizard

Note, launching just
Code:
X
I've got a useful hint: no screen defined

Thus I wrote
Code:
 Section "Device"
    Identifier "gma500_gfx"
    Driver     "modesetting"
    Option     "SWCursor"       "ON"
 EndSection
 
to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d

EDIT: to a new file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-gpudriver.conf

and added
modeline "1280x1024" to xorg.conf
and appended
Code:
drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/1280x1024.bin

to append line of syslinux.cfg

After following changes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Code:
# This loads the GLX module (if present). xorg 7.4/5, need explicit disable to disable... change "Disable" to "Load" if reqd...
#    Disable       "glx" #LOADGLX
     Load          "glx" #LOADGLX   
# This loads dri module (if present). 7.4 loads it by default, have to disable... change "Disable" to "Load" if reqd...
#    Disable       "dri" #LOADDRI
     Load          "dri" #LOADDRI
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