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Which puppy version/fork for i586 64MB?
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appiah4

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 03:09    Post subject:  Which puppy version/fork for i586 64MB?  

I need a Linux distribution to install as a secondary, more modern OS to a Win98 retro gaming PC. Main purpose of the installation will be to access local SMB and NFS drives, go online for web and ftp, and access NTFS USB drives. The System is a Pentium 166MMX with 64MB RAM and a Matrox Mystique G220 4MB graphics card. I don't need bells and whistles. Is there a version of Puppy or a current fork that will run on this hardware? I know Tinycore is probably a choice but I'd rather stick with Puppy as I know it better.. Thank you kindly for your help in advance.
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zagreb999

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 03:22    Post subject: lina-lite-005.iso  

tray this


https://archive.org/download/PuppyLinuxCarolina/lina-lite-005.iso
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appiah4

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 03:37    Post subject:  

Thanks, downloaded and burned onto an image and I'll try doing a full install tonight. Does the installer have GRUB configuration for easy multiboot with Windows?
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 04:35    Post subject: lina lite 005  

regards...

first of all:
1. make one partition for lite 005,
2. format it in fat system,
3. with unetbootin install os,
4. reboot

now we shall see if new os will work...
do inform us

after, you can make remaster...

how is big your hdd?
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appiah4

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 04:43    Post subject: Re: lina lite 005  

zagreb999 wrote:
regards...

first of all:
1. make one partition for lite 005,
2. format it in fat system,
3. with unetbootin install os,
4. reboot

now we shall see if new os will work...
do inform us

after, you can make remaster...

how is big your hdd?


40G total (38GB) partitioned as 3GB FAT32 Primary Active (Win98), 35 GB Extended with 32GB FAT32 Logical (Storage) and 3 GB FAT32 Logical (Reserved for linux, will be deleted and repartitioned as ext3/4 and swap)

So as long as lina-lite can install onto /dev/hda4 and install GRUB onto /dev/hda1 boot sector it should be fine for me.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 04:58    Post subject:  

With all due respect to Zagreb your more likely to need an earlier Puppy like classic pup 214X, Puppy Linux 3.01 or 4.12 retro
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appiah4

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 05:01    Post subject:  

Robert123 wrote:
With all due respect to Zagreb your more likely to need an earlier Puppy like classic pup 214X, Puppy Linux 3.01 or 4.12 retro


Where can I find the hardware requirements and package contents of each? As long as one of them has a recent kernel and decent USB, SMB, NTFS support I'd be set.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 06:43    Post subject:  

Unfortunately, I don't think you're going to find a recent kernel installed as standard into any Pup that will actually work with your hardware.

The problem is the minute amount of RAM. Most Pups that I'm aware of require an absolute minimum of 128 MB RAM to even run basically. There's no question that you'll need to do a 'full' install; it's what we always recommend for 'RAM-challenged' hardware. A 'frugal' simply won't work, since there isn't sufficient RAM for Pup to load into.

You may be able to install a later kernel into an earlier Pup; I know there's methods for doing this floating around the Forum.

As to which older Puppy, I'll leave those suggestions to others. I don't have experience of anything back before the 5-series Pups.....and you'll definitely need something earlier! Smile Robert123's suggestions sound like they make a lot more sense for your use-case.

I'd avoid TinyCore; their forums are worse than useless for giving advice to beginners. It's all 'RTFM..!!' (I have personal experience of this... Rolling Eyes )

We will at least try to help you out as far as we can..!


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appiah4

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 06:49    Post subject:  

Thanks to everyone who helped out. I guess I'll start out with 4.12 Retro, and go back version by version trying to suggestions above. Hopefully one of them will fit my bill, and maybe compile my own kernel with a more recent kernel source..

4.1.2 appears to require 128MB according to this: http://www.puppylinuxfaq.org/first-steps-in-puppy-linux/9-installing-puppy-linux/21.html

I will try it nevertheless and hope an install with a swap partition will be fine.. Otherwise, I'll try Puppy 3.01.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 11:15    Post subject:  

All a newer kernel will give you is support for newer hardware and maybe some newer features.

Your hardware does not need it.

In fact, a newer Linux kernel may not even have support for your hardware. They are dropping hardware support, for very old hardware, in the newer Linux kernels.
Yours is that very old hardware.

Minimum memory needed for Puppy is always based on a frugal install or live from a CD or USB.
These all load Puppy into memory.

Full installs of Puppy only load the basic operating files/programs into memory.

You will need a Linux swap partition to help the low memory.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 11:25    Post subject:  

If you do get one of the older Puppies working OK.

Internet browsing may be an issue.

Newer browsers are requiring newer versions of the Linux operating files and programs.
Web sites are requiring newer or newest versions of browsers.

Getting the newer browsers to work, in older Puppies, are going to be an issue, because the needed support files are not going to be in the Puppies.
I am not sure if these Puppies would be able to get the needed files updated.

In software, updates also usually require more memory to operate.

Browsers that at one time were 2 to 5 MB in size, are now 40, 50, 60 MB in size.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 14:02    Post subject:  

I tried several Puppies on a virtual machine with 64MB of RAM and 4MB of video memory. 4.1.2 [*] might be at least somewhat usable with a swap partition (I ran it from the .iso image; couldn't figure out how to get the full install to work. Seamonkey 1 browser works, at least with lightweight sites like this forum). Of course, in my case the swap partition on the virtual disk was also held in RAM...

Carolina Lite (based on Racy, I think?) and Wary were failures. Either everything was agonizingly slow (Wary), or the X server failed to work - black screen with laggy cursor; probably crawling along trying to scrape a few MB's of memory together (Carolina; X works with 128MB).

As an aside, I've found that older Puppies seem to have some issues with Virtualbox's graphics setup. (The procedure for starting Wary's X server: run Xorgwizard > choose Xorg > Probe > wait until screen goes black > hit Return key repeatedly until desktop comes up. Maximum resolution is 640x480. Very Happy)

I agree with bigpup that web browsing could become a problem. Even with a light browser (which probably has very limited functionality), many of today's web sites may be too heavy for old computers.

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[*] I used this one; the retro version was slow as molasses on my virtual machine unless I increased the memory to 128MB (even with swap); no idea which one may work better for you.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 17:39    Post subject: Try Pup n Go -- but think modern browsing may be beyond it  

With only 64 Mbs of RAM, you'll probably be limited to Pup 'n Go, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=383262#383262

I never used it and trying to figure out how to get it to manage a modern browser makes my head hurt. Confused Laughing

But recent versions are reported to be able to run Tiny Core as an extension. So, you may be able to have the best of both worlds, Puppy's friendly interface (and community) with Tiny Cores limited size. And, from Tiny Core a modern web-browser???

Your post suggest that your knowledge of manipulating Linux is several levels above mine. So, I hope this post leads you in the right direction.

But you might also want to consider Puppified dCore-Xenial http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=109859 and the information provided on the corepup thread, maybe starting here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=108188&start=270.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 18:34    Post subject:  

http://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_pUPnGO

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 18:48    Post subject:  

Try with a "KolibriOS" (Assembler = "Less Lags,Less hardware bytes,More stand-performance for Old PC's")
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