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belham2

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Apr 2017, 05:37    Post subject:  

Hi Peebee and Marv,

Well, I hate to provide alternatives to what Marv wrote, but I had eye opening experiences yesterday. I did numerous woof-CE builds using slacko32. I used over 6 different kernels, even putting together the frankenstein builds of using the latest 'xenial-4.9.15-64bit' kernels in the Slacko builds. Guess what? Every one of the kernels worked since I was sticking to doing Slacko32 woof-CE builds (though with slight problems, for example, in some builds that were using a 'xenial' 64-but kernel in a 32-bit slacko---like using PPM to install anything).

Now, I took every one of those kernels that are past the 4.1- series kernels and the 4.2 kernels and put them in the latest LxPupSc 17.04.1. Every one of them had problems: no dual screen ability, mouse problems, no redshift, xorg screwing with tons of stuff, etc, and etc. I tried these across all of my ASUS, Gigabyte and Biostar motherboards. What surprised me most is the inability to not even see the included bult-in network lan on the motherboards. No other pup I can ever remember using has done this.

Next, thinking I was nuts, I callled a neighbor friend who is a Tahr pup user and asked him to download LxPupSc 17.04.1. In 30 mins, he calls me back and reports nearly every problem I am seeing. Now, for the 1st time, I know it is not just me....he said in LxPupSc 17.04.1 he has no ability to set up dual screens, couldn't even get a network going, redshift, etc, etc. I then asked him to swap in (he frugal boots too) any older kernel and also another xorg (any that are not the problematic 1.19 version). Lo and behold, sometime later, he calls back and says, after doing this, all is fine. And this guy uses Intel systems, and I am fully on AMD systems. This behavior is displayed with LxPupSc and weirdly awhile ago with Mistfire's X-slacko (where it never before had a problem).

Now here it gets weird....even if we both logged out of LxPupSc-17.04.1 and switched the xorg-conf back to the 1.11.3 provided fallback-version, the problems STILL PERSISTED across the board. Also, why does the Xorg-1.18.3 work flawlessly when it is with a woof-CE slacko32 build, but not with LxPupSc or Mistifre's? Thus, overall, tell me how any build of any slacko32 I do can work across all my systems with no problems and no care for the kernel and/or xorg included in the woof-CE build, yet in---ONLY--in LxPupSc and now Mistifre's the problems I discuss are persistent (and repeatable by others on totally different systems) and specifically designated??


Below is a bunch of tas shots: the first three are from yest's slacko32 build using the 4.9.15-xenial kernel-64 bit. Amazingly, everything runs fine. Of course, trying to use PPM having a 64-kernel is out of the question, lol. But notice in the first three pics how dual monitors are working, redshift, network, etc (plz note, i build with radky's fbbox-4.0 as the default desktop environment, and not jwm).

Now, look at the following 3 pics: they are LxPupSc-17.04.1 with the exact same kernel above, and look at the problems. This is repeated over and over across everything unless I specifically go grab a woof-CE build kernel and its xorg files, and insert them into LxPupSc. Only then will LxPupSc run normally. And remember, this behavior is repeated by another who is on totally different systems (and newer ones than me!).

So something is amiss in the LxPupSc builds, and I don't know quite what it is. It cannot just be my systems now. Anyhow, no one else posts here, and still today, not many people use dual monitors (except billtoo & me, that I see here), redshift, etc. So problems aren't going to be reported. But problems there are, and they are unlike any I've run across in other pups and pup-related OSes I've tried here. On a positive note, I messed around with a build last night inserting pcmanfm into the pre-build process, and trying to get it set up close to what Peebee excellently does in LxPupSc. I got close, so this exercise or frustration for me with LxPupSc will soon be over, for as I've stated before, the only reason I loved using LxPupSc was the great integration of pcmanfm.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Apr 2017, 07:19    Post subject:  

Hi Belham2

One difference between my kernel builds and others is that I don't put any extra firmware into the zdrv - I supply it as an fdrv in the iso.

Just checking - you are installing the fdrv aren't you?

If you are, could you try swapping the supplied fdrv with:
http://www.fishprogs.software/puppy/firmware-sfs/linux_firmware_20170309.sfs

suitably renamed to fdrv of course.

Thanks
peebee

p.s. did you try the 4.9.15 64-bit kernel?

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Apr 2017, 07:04    Post subject:  

Interim delta 17.04.22T

- Kernel 4.10.10
- BUILD_FROM_WOOF='testing;4a267cc;2017-04-17 16:31:42 +1000'
- Slackware changes Thu Apr 13 21:19:45 UTC 2017
- some slacko-14.2 changes - in particular jwm-2.3.2-i686_s701.pet

Kernel 3.16.43 is also available.

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Apr 2017, 08:17    Post subject:  

Interim delta 17.04.23T

- Kernel 4.10.12
- Slackware changes Fri Apr 21 22:40:12 UTC 2017
- + some slacko-14.2 changes

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Apr 2017, 15:44    Post subject:  

17.04.21T updated to 17.04.23T on my all-Intel core 2 duo laptop. md5sums correct, wireless connection, glxgears FPS, redshift, zarfy, slimjet 14.0.1.0 (OscarTalks SFS), suspend and resume etc. and daily use all continue to be fine on this laptop. CPU idle at 3.5% with 'conservative' governor and memory use at idle (LxTask) at 166Mb for my configuration. It's high spring here so no time for the other machines right now...

video-info-glx 1.5.1 Sun 23 Apr 2017 on LxPup-Sc 17.04.23 Linux 4.10.12-lxpup-32-pae i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)

X Server: Xorg Driver: evdev
X.Org version: 1.19.3
dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 17.0.4

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz
Core 0: @800 1: @800 MHz

Cheers,

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Apr 2017, 08:38    Post subject:  

Audio-Visual testers needed....

Interim delta 17.04.24T

ffmpeg is updated to version 3.2.4 (new petbuild) and
x264 is updated to version 148 (ponce version)

Tested on a few videos and accessing BBC-iPlayer and Youtube from browsers but needs more extensive AV testing

[LATER] 01Micko tells me that ffplay is missing (it is) and that vlc may need older ffmpeg.....
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr 2017, 11:01    Post subject:  

For LxPupSc-17.04.24T and LATER ONLY i.e. with ffmpeg-3.2.4:

chromium_58.0.3029.81+pepper_25.0.0.148.sfs

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PostPosted: Mon 01 May 2017, 12:17    Post subject: LxPupSc-17.05.1T  

Re-Uploaded 2-may-2017 - see below

LxPupSc-17.05.1T is a 32-bit pae woof-ce 'testing' branch build

LxPupSc-17.05.1T.iso {devx} - (devx does not include kernel sources or headers) {kernel 4.10.13-lxpup sources}
iso md5 = 31201270a54fdebf275880ca9d0da0e2

Delta from 17.04.1T is available

- kernel 4.10.13 (alternative kernels 3.16.x and 4.4.x also available)
- Made from Slackware-14.2/current as of Thu Apr 27 23:03:54 UTC 2017
- BUILD_FROM_WOOF='testing;a98b787;2017-05-01 16:45:37 +1000'
- web browser in adrv is light-48.0
- firmware is in fdrv
- alternative fall-back xorg is in ydrv (no need to install unless needed)

With thanks to @gyro for providing needed assistance with a problem....

Woof-CE build repository is: http://smokey01.com/peebee/slackocurrent/

Chromium, Firefox, Opera, Palemoon and Seamonkey are in the repository and installable via Internet -> Get Web Browser

The versions of the browsers as of 28-apr-2017 with their md5sums are:

chromium-57.0.2987.98+pepper_25.0.0.148 :a5139aeeab99e944c3892e4f3054f7b1

firefox-45.9.0esr :23e359f9734e6d69b5a960f19a3a0d02

opera-stable_44.0.2510.1449_i386 :a8668fe1f8b39e236252b6ab08c5f32c

palemoon-27.3.0 :1687d142118f79a0de8c8332230f6fa0

seamonkey-2.46 :a7e8216ba4821129798b80a16d459b67

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firefox-52.1.0esr and
chromium_58.0.3029.81+pepper_25.0.0.148 (for LxPupSc >= 17.05)
are also available

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PostPosted: Mon 01 May 2017, 17:21    Post subject:  

Is that Lxde or Lxqt?

Why not the other (in both cases Wink !)
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PostPosted: Mon 01 May 2017, 20:09    Post subject:  

oui wrote:
Is that Lxde or Lxqt?

Why not the other (in both cases Wink !)


I'm pretty certain it's Lxde.

LxQt is a (QT-based) fork of Lxde that's still in relatively early development, and from everything I've recently read about it, it is not quite ready for prime-time yet. Certainly not as complete, stable and polished as Lxde... especially Peebee's use of it! Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 02 May 2017, 03:54    Post subject:  

Re-uploaded 17.05.1.....

If you downloaded yesterday's version - rename the .iso to:
LxPupSc-17.05.1aT.iso (md5=5a0d0361d678aa0621554966d0f69478)

and apply the delta:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/Other/LxPupSc/interims/LxPupSc-17.05.1aT.iso___LxPupSc-17.05.1T.iso.delta/download

New iso md5 is: 31201270a54fdebf275880ca9d0da0e2

then delete LxPupSc-17.05.1aT.iso

@oui - LxPupSc is LXDE based - please see the thread title and 1st post!

LXQT requires QT5 which is huge and therefore not really in the Puppy spirit....

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PostPosted: Fri 05 May 2017, 14:17    Post subject:  

Interim delta to 17.05.21T.....

Kernel 4.11.0 + Slackware Current + Slacko-14.2 updates.

Make sure you apply it to 17.05.1T with md5=31201270a54fdebf275880ca9d0da0e2

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PostPosted: Wed 10 May 2017, 07:14    Post subject:  

Interim delta to 17.05.22T.....

Further Slackware Current updates to Tue May 9 23:33:37 UTC 2017 + net-wiz fixes from woof-ce.

Make sure you apply it to 17.05.1T with md5=31201270a54fdebf275880ca9d0da0e2

Warning: with the version of LibreOffice that I am running this LxPupSc version consumes 100% of a cpu continuously when running - not clear why as yet.

Also browser changes:
- both Chromiums (chromium_57.0.2987.98-i486 and chromium_58.0.3029.81) now come with pepperflash-25.0.0.171
- Palemoon is now a (smaller) Alien-Bob build
- Opera is version opera-stable_45.0.2552.635

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 03:00    Post subject: chromium_58.0.3029.110+pepper_25.0.0.171  

chromium_58.0.3029.110+pepper_25.0.0.171
is available
for LxPupSc-17.05.1 and later (needs ffmpeg-3.2.4)
from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lxpup/files/Other/LxPupSc/browsers/
An OpenMandriva build of Chromium tweaked for LxPupSc

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 07:01    Post subject: virtual djvu printer-convert from pdf to djvu  

hi peebee!

can you add virtual djvu printer

djvu is much better than pdf!
(nautilus scrpts have convert to djvu)
regards.
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