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Litepup 2.13 - "Star Lite" (60.3 MB) now available
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bobn9lvu


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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jan 2007, 15:48    Post_subject:  

Todd wrote:
Raffy:

I am in the market for a small woopwoop type appliance to run Puppy for my own personal use. I know you track this. What is the best appliance right now?

Todd


Me Too!!!! Very Happy

I would like it to be able to at least play dvd movies.
I have a 20" widescreen lcd monitor that I will hook it to to be able to watch
movies laying in bed... Shocked And it will be on my lan to be able to play music from a server... Wink

Bob Cool
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rich pearl

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jan 2007, 17:57    Post_subject: gxine -- mixed bag  

on a TP 560x -- Pentium MMX-233mhz w/ 64ram -- that has been configured for wireless and sound, using Loadlin to load the Litepup, i have successfully installed and loaded opera 9.02_STATIC_ QT, gxine 0.5.9, and the xine_extra_codecs, but the results have been mixed. i can either get audio with .mov files, or video with .wmv files, but not both. flash, fwiw, works fine.

being a novice here, i have no idea how to approach a resolution. and i'm not sure, either, how hard i should work on it. the standards for internet multimedia are moving far past the capabilities of a puny 233mhz notebook. too, bad. nine years old and still functional, but.... **sigh**

gxine, btw, needed just four files -- libmozjs.so, libnspr4.so, libplc4.so, and libplds4.so. i copied them from a working pc and put them into the folder i created at /usr/lib/mozilla.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jan 2007, 20:00    Post_subject: C7 board  

Paul (Pakt) and others are currently working on the ebox-2300 (TU) which is on sale at www.ewayco.com - that means its video functionality is still being tested (watch for announcement of its alpha build), as it has only 200 Mhz processor and 128 MB RAM.

Maybe grab one of the boards there: get one with a C3 800 Mhz processor, or the newer C7 processor at minimum 1 Ghz speed (both processors are embedded in the board).

You may want to check local retailers for VIA C3 or C7 boards before ordering from overseas. Newegg and others retail barebone boxes of these boards (no RAM or drive).

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MU


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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jan 2007, 23:09    Post_subject:  

the ebox-iso was just uploaded, Pakt is sleeping and will announce it tomorrow officially.

http://puppyfiles.org/isos/

Mark
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raffy

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jan 2007, 00:48    Post_subject: eBoxPup Alpha01  

Yes, this should solve the problems about Xorg as this is a full Puppy build.

I tested the sound at maximum setting, and it is not too loud while playing MP3 via my headphones. An external amplifier/speaker should therefore be needed if you want a louder sound setting.

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JohnMc

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan 2007, 12:12    Post_subject:  

Not wishing to sound snarky, but I hope no one is suggesting puppy reverse engineer IE Rolling Eyes
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JohnMc

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jan 2007, 12:48    Post_subject: One last observation  

The discussion on variants of the std puppy just boils down to an observation -- there always seems to be 3 major models:

- Lean Puppy. Just the guts you add what you want as packages.
- Std Puppy - Core release as done by Barry K.
- Max Puppy - A kitchen sink version of Std.

What I suggest is the the Puppy Foundation take up the matter as a standardization effort. When an new version of puppy is offered it is available in all three variants. Two of them already come avaialble anyway, Unleashed and Std so the issue is the Max version and package rules. Under the proper conditions the 3 variants would be a matter of scripting the builds.

The one thing that would augment the Max Puppy is a screen that offers package choices of the default apps. That way someone could select Opera over Seamonkey, etc as a picklist for any install other than just the liveCD.

The Puppy community is offering the 3 variants by various members as remasters. Why not codify it a little bit?

And I am not against remastering by any means. GrafPup I use off and on to do some audio and video work as needed. Its a great variant.

Just some thoughts from an enduser.
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Todd

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Feb 2007, 15:28    Post_subject:  

The answer to your question is simple. Puppy is not a community project. Barry alone develops puppy. There is no foundation, as such. Basically all we have is a community of users. Barry takes suggestions from users. Sometimes he even includes programs they have written. When all is said and done, however, Puppy is a single developer project. In addition, Puppy is not open source. It's components are, but Puppy itself is a copyrighted work created by Barry. Having said all this, I think this is for the best. If Barry can sell his work to someone wanting to have their own linux distribution to run on micro-computer like devices (like pocket pc's), more power to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't been approached already.

Todd
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2007, 18:48    Post_subject:  

Er, no Todd, that is wrong. Puppy is open source, free. The only thing that I "own" are the names "Puppy Linux" and "PuppyOS" and some logos. Yes, there are a few scripts in Puppy that have just "copyright Barry Kauler", which could be seen as placing some restriction, but I intend Puppy 2.14 will have "LGPL" on those -- mostly because most of them are getting to be multi-author efforts, and it's a bit silly having just my name as copyright owner.
Awhile back I dumped the "permission required" thing for creating ones own distro, as the naming is the only issue and that is quite clear in the legal text in the FAQ.

Actually, the naming rights thing also applies to domain names, and 'puppylinux-foundation.com' is in violation. However, as has been discussed elsewhere, enforcing is not practical for an individual.
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Todd

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2007, 19:27    Post_subject:  

So, from what I hear you saying, it is basically the same setup as Slackware? With Slackware, ". . .you can still redistribute a distribution. . . you just can't call it 'Slackware'. . ." (http://slackware.com/trademark/trademark.php).

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amish

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb 2007, 20:54    Post_subject:  

Quote:
Er, no Todd, that is wrong. Puppy is open source, free. The only thing that I "own" are the names "Puppy Linux" and "PuppyOS" and some logos. Yes, there are a few scripts in Puppy that have just "copyright Barry Kauler", which could be seen as placing some restriction, but I intend Puppy 2.14 will have "LGPL" on those -- mostly because most of them are getting to be multi-author efforts, and it's a bit silly having just my name as copyright owner.
Awhile back I dumped the "permission required" thing for creating ones own distro, as the naming is the only issue and that is quite clear in the legal text in the FAQ.

Actually, the naming rights thing also applies to domain names, and 'puppylinux-foundation.com' is in violation. However, as has been discussed elsewhere, enforcing is not practical for an individual.


this is the greatest thing i've ever heard about puppy.

personally i try to do my utmost to comply with copyright and trademarks, with the possible exception of deliberately violating the american sonny bono act (which was created to protect disney's mouse at the expense of 20 years of material entering the public domain.)

you may find some confusion from merkins regarding trademarks, as our copyright laws and law regarding reverse engineering may be more strict than yours- but our trademark laws are some of the most lax i've seen. the idea of trademarking "puppy" as prefix to a linux distro is almost unimaginable here.

i take no issue with it, but it might explain why some have before. still, as puppy is firstly a product of au, it makes enough sense to honor the aussie trademarks on it.

it would be very helpful if you would include the legal section from the faq in future versions of puppy. we're talking less than 1-2k of text, and it resolves a whole lot of confusion- i never found the faq in months of using puppy (and reading about it online) and it was extremely reassuring to read it.

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Feb 2007, 13:45    Post_subject:  

Todd wrote:
So, from what I hear you saying, it is basically the same setup as Slackware? With Slackware, ". . .you can still redistribute a distribution. . . you just can't call it 'Slackware'. . ." (http://slackware.com/trademark/trademark.php).

Right!
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Meshica7


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jul 2008, 15:23    Post_subject: How do i install/use undeb?  

Todd wrote:
Another tool that I have found to be a must have is the following. (It is called undeb, but is an unrpm program as well.)



Todd,
Thanx for the undeb link.However,I am not sure as to how to run it.When I use pupzip to open it all I get is a text file and I am afraid that I am still a newbie to Linux.Any help would be appreciated.
Thanx!

Juan

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jul 2008, 22:50    Post_subject: undeb  

You install the undeb (unrpm) package then in console:
Code:
undeb some-file.deb

unrpm some-other-file.rpm

You should use the name of deb or rpm file that you downloaded. If, while viewing the deb/rpm file, you right-clicked in Rox (File Manager) to open a terminal window, type undeb then the beginning letter of the filename. Press TAB and the filename will be completed (if the remainder of the name is unique, that is).

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Meshica7


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jul 2008, 12:33    Post_subject:    

Cool beans! I will give it a whirl tonight.
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