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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar 2017, 09:08    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
I've just been modding mine again...adding all kinds of things to mine like PCManFM/Rox-right-click functions like 'singlepet2deb', 'singlepet2sfs', 'reDeb', ''folderdeb2pet', 'folderpets2deb', 'petspec', 'multirename', "pcdrop" (converts all pics formats into another format by just dropping the pic on the script), and also 'arcdrop', (for converting archive files from one format to another by just dropping the file onto the script window). Plus I am adding to the overall OS things like 'parcellite (removed glipper & xclipboard), 'DogRadio', 'you2pup', 'osmo', 'JWMDesk' (removed JWM Configuation manager), 17 new GTK themes, 28 new Icons themes (fromm various creators over the past 2-3 years), and Oscar's great 40 new JWM themes. Smile I am unabashedly taking all the best ideas from the ~15 different pups I keep running from various creators over the past few years. It is making this dpup-stretch-700 really something, and I am still at ~350-375MB even with last FirefoxESR 45.-7 included Wink

Wow, that sounds amazing belham. All I did was make the default woof-CE build, adding some minor fixes to the adrv - lol!

belham2 wrote:
Can I ask a stupid question....in the dpup-stretch build I did last week (and plopped up in ttuuuxxx's thread just as a rough first draft to let others see a dpup-stretch), I had both Leafpad and Geany installed from the get go, and I never had one problem using them, especially the 'save-as'. They've never crashed on me once since I did the original build, and I use them both frequently, both 'save' and 'save-as'. Right now, I just tested them again to make sure I was not imagining things. So I don't get it??? ----wait, is it because I was one of the first ones to install ttuuxxx's Geany-icon.pet fix? Nope, that is not it....I just checked that .pet.....and there is no "zzz_glib" in it....only simple icons. How could my dpup-stretch build have no leafpad/geany problems when it seems others did? Is it because I stuck to the woof-CE's default 3.14.79 kernel that came in the base build and everyone else is using different kernels?

Is it possible that glib-2.0 updated from 5000.2 to 5000.3 after you made your build? Now you got me curious as well... Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar 2017, 12:06    Post subject: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

I did a new build this morning by starting fresh and cloning git hub
(not testing branch).
The geany "save as" problem is fixed, the line in
DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-devuan-ascii that caused the problem has been removed
and replaced:
yes|glib|libglib2.0-bin,libglib2.0-0,libglib2.0-data,libglib2.0-dev|exe>null,
dev>null,doc>null,nls>null #theres glib 2.50.3 pet pkg (by @jlst I guess)

I saw an error appear about "glib template" missing during the make
packages step (I think it was)
The xdg problem is still there, adding xdg_puppy.pet from tahrpup later
after starting with FbBox-4.1 has fixed that.

EDIT: I changed the look a bit, it's still running well after 5 hours.
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Sailor Enceladus

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar 2017, 15:47    Post subject: Re: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

Billtoo wrote:
Entering the command inxi -bw in the terminal caused an error but the
missing lib was in PPM and after installing that the error was gone
(libprocps).

I noticed this too, that procps_3.3.10-4+devuan1.0_i386.deb comes with a sysctl and ps-FULL that expect libprocps.so.4, but woof-CE actually picks up libprocps.so.6 instead. Adding libprocps4_3.3.10-4+devuan1.0_i386.deb fixes it though like you said. This seems to be what causes the "Restart Windows Manager" to not show on the logout_gui screen too because it uses ps.

Billtoo wrote:
The xdg problem is still there, adding xdg_puppy.pet from tahrpup later
after starting with FbBox-4.1 has fixed that.

Yup, this one is strange because the xdg_puppy that Devuan grabbed (xdg_puppy-0.7.6-15-binaries_no-JWM-p4.pet) has no jwm-xdgmenu, but it does have fvwm-xdgmenu, icewm-xdgmenu and wm-xdgmenu. I wonder which one Debian Stretch grabs?
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar 2017, 17:54    Post subject:  

I found out puduan-7.0.0 has something called "libsystemd" (and systemd_tests). Removing libsystemd breaks these things:

Code:
> /usr/bin/ffmpeg
> /usr/bin/ffplay
> /usr/bin/ffprobe
> /usr/bin/ffserver
> /usr/bin/mhwaveedit
> /usr/bin/mplayer
> /usr/bin/mpv
> /usr/games/xsoldier
> /usr/sbin/cupsd
> /usr/sbin/saned
> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
> /usr/lib/ao/plugins-4/libpulse.so
> /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4
> /usr/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0.4.1
> /usr/lib/libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.8.4
> /usr/lib/libavdevice.so.57.1.100
> /usr/lib/libdcerpc-binding.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libdcerpc-server.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libdcerpc.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libndr-krb5pac.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libndr-nbt.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libndr-standard.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libndr.so.0.0.8
> /usr/lib/libnetapi.so.0
> /usr/lib/libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0.0.5
> /usr/lib/libpulse-simple.so.0.1.0
> /usr/lib/libpulse.so.0.20.1
> /usr/lib/libsamba-credentials.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libsamba-hostconfig.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libsamba-passdb.so.0.25.0
> /usr/lib/libsamba-policy.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libsamba-util.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libsamdb.so.0.0.1
> /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0.2.3
> /usr/lib/libsmbconf.so.0
> /usr/lib/libsmbldap.so.0
> /usr/lib/pulseaudio/libpulsecommon-10.0.so
> /usr/lib/samba/auth/samba4.so
> /usr/lib/samba/auth/script.so
> /usr/lib/samba/bind9/dlz_bind9.so
> /usr/lib/samba ........etc.
> /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg

Does this mean woof-CE actually downloaded Debian versions of these programs instead of Devuan, or something else? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar 2017, 19:22    Post subject:  

Sailor Enceladus wrote:

Does this mean woof-CE actually downloaded Debian versions of these programs instead of Devuan, or something else? Smile



Hi SailorEnceladus,

Isn't that what Jlst was cryptically alluding to when he wrote this (below) back in the 'woof-CE' thread a few weeks back?:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101174&start=675

Jlst wrote:
Well, I'm using dpup stretch, it does boot to desktop and can compile apps. It's just missing a new kernel compiled with the dpup's gcc 6.3.0. mesa/dri/opengl seems to work fine. Keyboard/mouse/touchpad ok.

About missing apps.. of course they're missing. When you create a new puppy apps are missing, unless you use repos from earlier versions. And I won't add the missing apps, I don't care.

The pet repos at ibiblio are forbidden to (basically) everyone if you want to update stuff or create a new directory with pet pkgs for a new version.

Regarding tahrpup/xenialpup... well phil hasn't updated the config files at the git repo in a long time as far as I know. I don't build upups to try to figure out what's missing or what's wrong.

Will comment about devuan later, and will drop a little bomb.


Might the bomb be what you are asking/discovering? Question



Then some days later Jlst wrote this:

Jlst wrote:
Updates to puduan ascii:
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE/commit/0f1776f949a7370e34e3a592db196135043f0176

I verified that no packages are missing. If you can build a puduan ascii that boots to desktop with these changes.. it means that Devuan is following Debian so closely that is actually a clone.

Today i edited many files. So hopefully i didn't break anything.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 08:22    Post subject: Re: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

Billtoo wrote:
I did a new build this morning by starting fresh and cloning git hub
(not testing branch).

When you freshly clone woof-CE you are in the testing branch (you can verify that by typing "branch -a" in the terminal while in the woof-CE folder)
Do you actually change branch before you start building?
If yes, which branch?

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:21    Post subject: Re: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

mavrothal wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
I did a new build this morning by starting fresh and cloning git hub
(not testing branch).

When you freshly clone woof-CE you are in the testing branch (you can verify that by typing "branch -a" in the terminal while in the woof-CE folder)
Do you actually change branch before you start building?
If yes, which branch?


I assumed I wasn't in testing because it had the latest updates.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:26    Post subject: Re: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

Billtoo wrote:
the branch -a command failed.

Sorry for the shorthand, is "git branch -a"
(All/Most git commands start with "git")

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 10:31    Post subject: Re: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

mavrothal wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
the branch -a command failed.

Sorry for the shorthand, is "git branch -a"
(All/Most git commands start with "git")


Okay, looks like this now.
Anyway, it had an update that must have been done within 24 hours of when I did the build.

EDIT: I'm still in the puduan build from yesterday and have just completed a new build of Stretch-7.0.0a1 to a 16gb 600x SDHC, from the rationalise branch.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, going to try out the new build now Smile
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 12:27    Post subject:  

Hi Billtoo, Sailor and all,

Has anyone solved getting conky to go transparent in these dpup-stretch/devuan puppies?

I have tried every iteration I know (and having researched Google for hours about it) of in the conky settings, but no luck. I am faced with that battle of if I want transparency, it is either I lose any icons on the desktop (ROX and conky battling for the desktop) or keep my desktop icons but no transparency (black conky background).

I tried all of Battleshooter's tips, and Moat's tips, in this thread, and no luck: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72815 I did all of those changes in this thread, to the /root/.xinitrc and also to the /usr/local/apps/Wallpaper/set_bg. Nothing seems to work.


So for a transparent Conky in Dpup-Stretch or Devuan, what is the trick with these Debian-like stretch/devuanpups? It must be possible in Debian pups, because Fredx181 gets all his Conky(s) transparent in his DebianDogs (both 32 and 64 bit) while not affecting his desktop items one bit. Even if I plainly rip Fred's conkys (conkyrc's and the /usr/bin exec) out of his DebianDogs, and plop them in these dpup-stetches/devuans, the background of the Conkys remains black.
Anyone know why? What's the secret sauce for transparency missing here? Does something else need installed in these dpups-stretches???

It's frustrating that I don't understand why I can set up transparent conkys in Tahrs, LxPups, Lupu, Quirkys, & Slackos, but I cannot do it in these dpup-stretch/devuan builds. Confused

Thank you for any help and/or tips.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 14:04    Post subject: Re: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

Billtoo wrote:

EDIT: I'm still in the puduan build from yesterday and have just completed a new build of Stretch-7.0.0a1 to a 16gb 600x SDHC, from the rationalise branch.


Rationalise is behind.
The testing branch is better at this stage for debian.
You can monitor the progress looking at the commits for each branch.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 16:02    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
Hi Billtoo, Sailor and all,

Has anyone solved getting conky to go transparent in these dpup-stretch/devuan puppies?



Solved this. Lesson learned: never compile from source something (Feh) that can be installed from PPM. Once I did this, and re-set up the necessary system files, I now have transparent conky(s) for debian-stretch and Sailor's devuan (along with a conky live-on/off toggle button/icon--that's its icon at the end of the jwmtray, works a charm Wink)
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 16:27    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
belham2 wrote:
Hi Billtoo, Sailor and all,

Has anyone solved getting conky to go transparent in these dpup-stretch/devuan puppies?



Solved this. Lesson learned: never compile from source something (Feh) that can be installed from PPM. Once I did this, and re-set up the necessary system files, I now have transparent conky(s) for debian-stretch and Sailor's devuan (along with a conky live-on/off toggle button/icon--that's its icon at the end of the jwmtray, works a charm Wink)

Hi belham.

I do it with qiv, not feh. I prefer qiv because it can double up as a nice no-
fuss picture viewer. It has lots of settings for picture viewing, too.

To allow transparency for conky, I added some lines in my .xinitrc, like so
(lines 112-118)
Code:
[ -f /usr/bin/xsetroot ] && xsetroot -cursor_name top_left_arrow ## line already there

FONDACTUEL="" # Lines added by musher0, 6 oct. 2015
FONDACTUEL="`cat /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin | grep '<backdrop ' | cut -f 2 -d '>' | cut -f 1 -d '<'`"
qiv -z $FONDACTUEL & # end of lines added by musher0

#relocates right-side icons to actual right-side of screen... ## line already there

The variable "FONDACTUEL" fetches the picture string in PuppyPin and
sets that picture as the background "underneath" ROX via qiv. (There are
at least -- that I know of -- two background layers.) Result: the system
backdrop and the ROX backdrop are identical, and conky appears
transparent.

This way I can keep my conky upgraded from the conky site directly.

You can play with that and ask qiv to set a different background. Then the
transparent conky will look like a window into a different scenery! Smile
(But then the user gets confused and gives the dev a mouthful!) Twisted Evil

Have fun! BFN.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 20:50    Post subject: puduan-7.0.0a1 (Devuan Ascii) woof-ce testing  

I did a new build this afternoon and did a manual frugal install to the
hard drive:

System: Host: puppypc8721 Kernel: 3.14.79 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.6 Distro: Puduan 7.0.0a1
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Acer model: Aspire X3950 serial: U02C120500059
BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01-A3 date: 05/05/2010
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3 540 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/3067 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.19.1 driver: intel tty size: 142x37 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 508.1GB (6.6% used)
Weather: Conditions: 45 F (7 C) - light drizzle mist Time: March 7, 7:20 PM EST
Info: Processes: 136 Uptime: 1:57 Memory: 187.9/2899.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

Some improvements are that there is no error when running the terminal
about a missing libprocps, this has also made PPM work better.
The geany Save As bug is fixed.
The JWM-xdg-menu problem is still there, I looked at the
DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-devuan-ascii file and it had changed from last build
"yes|xdg_puppy||exe" so I though it may have been fixed.

I'll attach the tahrpup pet that fixes it for me.
I'm also using three pets from @radky,
DpupStretch_trayfix.pet,FbBox-4.1_32Bit.pet,and JWM_themes_update-2.0.pet

I exited to the prompt and ran xorgwizard then chose to use the intel
driver,3840x1080,and 24bit, ran xwin JWM to return to the desktop.
It always defaults to modesetting which works okay but I think the
intel driver works a little better.

Thanks for the fixes.
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar 2017, 21:43    Post subject:  

Thanks Billtoo. The jwm-xdg-menu issue has now been fixed in woof-CE.

@belham: Lol! jlst the comedian. And I figured musher0 would be the first to reply about conky transparency in dpup Wink
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