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#21 Post by Bert »

pakt wrote:
Hmm, I wonder if the "DiskOnModule" flash memory uses the same interface as a Compact flash card...

Paul
I've always thought DOM is exactly the same as ide-CF, just circumventing the need of (an ide cable and) an adapter. The only difference I can see, is that DOM is incredibly expensive, while CF prices slowly continue to go down.
I looked it up in Wikipedia, but there's not a lot to find about DOM. Just this:
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A Disk on Module (DOM) is a Flash (Fast electronic memory) Disk with 40/44 pins IDE/Standard ATA Interface and are used as a computer hard disk drive (HDD). The flash to IDE converter simulates a harddisk, and therefore the modules can be used without additional software or drivers. They are used particularly within Embedded computing systems where they can often be deployed in to very harsh environments (where mechanical hard disk drives would simply fail), or in a thin client because of small size, low power consumption and silent operation. DOM are losing there market to (integrated on motherboard) CompactFlash (CF) to IDE converters. that provide hard disk drive simulation for the widely supported CF standard.

DOM's are highly reliable as they do not have any moving parts like regular hard disks and are small in size and light in weight. However read / write times are much slower than standard modern day hard disk drives.

Currently storage capacities range from 32MB to 4GB.
There is no date on this article, but I think things have evolved a little.
It is worth mentioning the "read/write times" have accelerated to about the real world usb 2.0 speed in the newest CF's and the article forgets to mention the very fast access times, that no hard disk can equal.

Anyway, soon we'll probably see the first CF-Sata adapters. (That would be good, both in terms of speed and power consumption.) Perhaps followed shortly by a -hot-swappable- eSata stick, that will make its usb colleague obsolete? Hmm, we'll see.

We have seriously deviated from your original topic, eBoxPup-2.13!
If there were a poll I would vote "yes please, continue its development!" 8)

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DOM and CF are IDE environments

#22 Post by raffy »

This has relation to eBoxPup, as these are alternative IDE environments in machines that will use eBoxPup.

- the latest DOM that I saw plugs directly to the IDE slot and looks like a small RAM chip

- in contrast, the eBox has ready CF adaptor that is an IDE, too

In terms of flexibility in use, a CF-ready interface is better than a DOM interface

- CF can be taken out by the user for upgrading the software (in another PC) without opening the box

- USB adaptors can be used with it

Both CF and DOM can be popularized with Puppy in general - plug it to your PC and run! (Puppy is pre-installed).
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#23 Post by nyu »

Bert wrote:About CF drives..and building Puppy hardware on a budget, .what do you guys think of this chinese adapter ??
I have the same one you mentioned. It works fine for me.

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#24 Post by Bert »

Thanks for the response, nyu. It is good to hear from a user that the quality is okay! At €1.99 this is a very good deal, as CF adapters here in Europe cost something between €20 and €30!

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#25 Post by pakt »

To continue the discussion of alternative 'thin clients' to run Puppy on, here is the reply I got from an inquiry I sent to EPATec in Germany
Dear Sir,

thank you for your inquiry. Soon we will present a new product range with variations of the 3800. Please check the attached comparison list. There you will find the new models 3851, 3853 and 3854 which have an additional CF-Slot.

Price is Euro 259,00 plus 19% tax, shipping Euro 20,00 plus tax. First devices are in stock and ready for inmediate delivery.

After recieving payment shipping should take 3-5 days.

Best Regards

Ulrich J. Lange
I'm attaching the product document he sent me. It is an excellent table of specifications of all the units they sell. The eTC-3851 stands out as my favorite as it has a CF-slot and can accept a 2.5" harddisk.
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#26 Post by ecosprog »

As a follow on to my previous post I thought I would give an update after 24 hours of using eBoxPup on the Micro Client Jr.

I had a few problems getting the mail working in Opera due to the large number of messages in my IMAP folders. I took the opportunity to weed out all the old stuff and having got rid of about 50% of my messages Opera finally managed to download all the headers. Previously it got about three quarters of the way through the headers and then everything locked up. I tried Sylpheed and that managed to pull down all the mail without a problem so I not sure why Opera locked up. Maybe a memory issue due to the larger overhead running Opera.

Once Opera was setup and I had familaiarised myself with its working Ie found the new setup perfectly usable. My only issue now is being able to run Realplayer in the background while doing other things. That just not possible on the Micro Client Jr. So, I given in and ordered an e3800 ffrom Epatec here in Spain. It should be here by Thursday. Now the only issue I have is how to do a full IDE disk install. I tried last night on a 4GB MicroDirve but it just gave me a standard CF setup.

I´m looking for an install with a fully partitioned drive and boot loader. The full Puppy does this but eBoxPup doesn seem to - am I missing something. I selected the install to IDE hard drive option and put the MicroDirve in a CF to IDE adapter which then went into the drive bay opn my notebook. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this would be greatly appreciated. The standard CF install on a 4GB card only lets ypou set a maximum user file of 1.25GB so half the space is wasted. Plus a full install will, I´m asumming, giev me a swap partiton as well ass access to the entire drive capacity.

Once the e3800 arrive I´ll post comments on its performance.

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#27 Post by nyu »

pakt wrote:To continue the discussion of alternative 'thin clients' to run Puppy on, here is the reply I got from an inquiry I sent to EPATec in Germany
Dear Sir,

thank you for your inquiry. Soon we will present a new product range with variations of the 3800. Please check the attached comparison list. There you will find the new models 3851, 3853 and 3854 which have an additional CF-Slot.

Price is Euro 259,00 plus 19% tax, shipping Euro 20,00 plus tax. First devices are in stock and ready for inmediate delivery.

After recieving payment shipping should take 3-5 days.

Best Regards

Ulrich J. Lange
I'm attaching the product document he sent me. It is an excellent table of specifications of all the units they sell. The eTC-3851 stands out as my favorite as it has a CF-slot and can accept a 2.5" harddisk.
Why it cost so much? I can get it for around USD180 + shipping. Euro 259,00 + 19% tax =USD 308.00 .

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#28 Post by nyu »

I saw in the Forum MU made a MicroMuppy(12M) and a MicroMuppyOpera(18M). Has anyone tried on eBox-2300? It seems extremly small :D

Edit: Sorry it does not relate to eboxpup-2.13-0.1alpha :oops:
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#29 Post by bobn9lvu »

What about the TK series from;
http://www.ewayco.com/22-low-cost-embed ... o-CPU.html
It has just the same specs as the 3800...

BTW, buy.com has WD NAT boxes for a steal, a 250G and 160G both have 2 usb ports for further expansion, and are configured via web page..

$119 and $99 respectively.....

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bobn9lvu wrote:What about the TK series from;
http://www.ewayco.com/22-low-cost-embed ... o-CPU.html
It has just the same specs as the 3800...

Bob 8)
They are the same. E-Way Technology Systems Corp. is DMP's
USA Authorized Distributor.

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ecosprog wrote:So, I given in and ordered an e3800 ffrom Epatec here in Spain. It should be here by Thursday.

Once the e3800 arrive I´ll post comments on its performance.
Today I ordered an eTC-3851 (eBox-3851) from EPATec in Germany. This is like the eBox-3800 (VIA EDEN Nano 800MHz fanless CPU and 256MB RAM) but is thicker with a parallel port, serial port, CF card slot, Mini PCI socket and 2.5" harddisk mounting kit. This should work considerably better than the 200MHz, 128MB RAM eBox-2300 as a Puppy PC. It should arrive next week.

This unit shouldn't need eBoxPup to run acceptably fast - can't wait to see how standard Puppy runs on it :)

This is what the 3851 looks like: http://www.copyall.com/ebox3851.htm

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#32 Post by ecosprog »

pakt wrote:
Today I ordered an eTC-3851 (eBox-3851) from EPATec in Germany. This is like the eBox-3800 (VIA EDEN Nano 800MHz fanless CPU and 256MB RAM) but is thicker with a parallel port, serial port, CF card slot, Mini PCI socket and 2.5" harddisk mounting kit. This should work considerably better than the 200MHz, 128MB RAM eBox-2300 as a Puppy PC. It should arrive next week.
You won´t be disappointed. I got my e3800 yesterday and after 24 hours of playing I´m still a happy camper.

I loaded eBoxPup and the system really flies along. No comparison with the little MicroClient Jr. The setup was also easier as it works with VESA at high resolutions.

I have a 4GB microdrive in a CF/IDE adapter mounted in the 2.5" drive tray an there´s no noise from the unit. Now I just have to figure out how to do a convention hard drive install so I can use the whole drive and get a swap partition setup. Any pointers here would be greatly appreciated.

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#33 Post by ecosprog »

Sorry that should read eTC-3800 from epaTec.

And what´s interesting is that the prices on the epaTec website for Spain (http://www.epatec.es) list the eTC-3800 at 199.00euros which is 20.00euros less than the parent site in Germany.

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#34 Post by pakt »

ecosprog wrote:You won´t be disappointed. I got my e3800 yesterday and after 24 hours of playing I´m still a happy camper.

I loaded eBoxPup and the system really flies along. No comparison with the little MicroClient Jr. The setup was also easier as it works with VESA at high resolutions.
Thanks for the early feedback, ecosprog. Sounds really good! Can't wait to test my unit :)
ecosprog wrote:I have a 4GB microdrive in a CF/IDE adapter mounted in the 2.5" drive tray an there´s no noise from the unit. Now I just have to figure out how to do a convention hard drive install so I can use the whole drive and get a swap partition setup. Any pointers here would be greatly appreciated.
Have you tried to format the 4GB microdrive as FAT32? If it is formatted as FAT16 you can't have partitions much greater than 2GB IIRC.

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#35 Post by pakt »

BTW, here is a comparison table in pdf format of the thin clients that EPATec sells. Makes it easy to compare the different models.

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Ebox-3851/Eway-TK

#36 Post by bobn9lvu »

Hey Pakt,

Do you know of any US distributers of the Ebox-3851/Eway-TK over here in the US of A????
I left a couple of emails at ewayco, over a week ago, and have not heard a thing since.... :x

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Re: Ebox-3851/Eway-TK

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bobn9lvu wrote:Do you know of any US distributers of the Ebox-3851/Eway-TK over here in the US of A????
I left a couple of emails at ewayco, over a week ago, and have not heard a thing since.... :x
Here you go - a source in North Carolina: http://www.wdlsystems.com/ebox/ebox.shtml

(I should get a commision for this :lol:)

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#38 Post by Bert »

Pakt, ecosprog, nyu, would it be possible for someone to measure the eBox power consumption?

For the record, my 800Mhz/512MB Puppybox consumes between 14 and 28 Watts. Even clicking a link and opening a new page causes the power consumption to briefly go up to 28W! But this is via c3 Samuel 2, not the newer Nehemiah or better.

In general, I think it would be a good idea to collect and perhaps wikify info and data about ultra low power computers and their ability to run Puppy.

One last thing, Pakt, on my box I could indeed not detect a speed difference between eBoxPup and full Puppy 2.13. Opera is much faster than Seamonkey of course, but that's another story.
I switched back to Puppy Standard, as my bank doesn't allow netbanking from Opera and because my girlfriend wants to continue composing colourful html emails, something Opera can't do.

Wishing you all a nice weekend!

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#39 Post by nyu »

Bert wrote:Pakt, ecosprog, nyu, would it be possible for someone to measure the eBox power consumption?

For the record, my 800Mhz/512MB Puppybox consumes between 14 and 28 Watts. Even clicking a link and opening a new page causes the power consumption to briefly go up to 28W! But this is via c3 Samuel 2, not the newer Nehemiah or better.

In general, I think it would be a good idea to collect and perhaps wikify info and data about ultra low power computers and their ability to run Puppy.

Bert
Bert,
How did you get the power consumption of eBox-38xx of 28Watts?
According to DMP Electronics Inc.'s product brochure, the power
requirement for 38xx seires boxes is +5v @4.5A. The max power
will be 22.5Watts.
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Re: Ebox-3851/Eway-TK

#40 Post by nyu »

pakt wrote:
bobn9lvu wrote:Do you know of any US distributers of the Ebox-3851/Eway-TK over here in the US of A????
I left a couple of emails at ewayco, over a week ago, and have not heard a thing since.... :x
Here you go - a source in North Carolina: http://www.wdlsystems.com/ebox/ebox.shtml

(I should get a commision for this :lol:)

Paul
Another place will be http://www.ewayco.com/
Sorry, you have mentioned it already. :oops:

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