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eBoxPup-2.13-0.1alpha released
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pakt


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 13:31    Post subject:  

bobn9lvu wrote:
You know, all the systems talked about need ONE thing added to make em
viable ( my feelings ) is the ability to add and onboard DVD writer or rom drive...

Should be able to attach a USB drive without too much trouble. IIRC, the BIOS can be set to boot from such a drive. Of course a box with USB2.0 would be a lot faster...

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 13:56    Post subject:  

I was about to mention the 3800 series, but nyu beat me on this Smile
It is the only eBox offered by the dutch importer, which I guess means something ([url] http://www.bnc-distribution.nl/producten/ebox [/url])

There are no prices on this website, but in a discussion on a dutch forum, I read about €260,- for the basic box and about€280, including a CF adapter.
This company has a nice proposal for developers or other professionals: you can try out an eBox for a month and if you're not happy with it, you just send it back to them.

A real drawback, imho, is the fixed RAM...
For power consumption, they say is "less than 20W"

The 3800 series has USB 2.0

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 14:17    Post subject:  

Bert wrote:
I was about to mention the 3800 series, but nyu beat me on this Smile
It is the only eBox offered by the dutch importer, which I guess means something ([url] http://www.bnc-distribution.nl/producten/ebox [/url])

The 3800 series has USB 2.0


Nice!
It would be great to be able to put in a laptop optical drive instead of a HD.
There would still be a LOT of room for a CF drive too..

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 14:26    Post subject:  

About CF drives..and building Puppy hardware on a budget, .what do you guys think of this chinese adapter ??
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 14:51    Post subject:  

Bert wrote:
I was about to mention the 3800 series, but nyu beat me on this Smile
It is the only eBox offered by the dutch importer, which I guess means something ([url] http://www.bnc-distribution.nl/producten/ebox [/url])

There are no prices on this website, but in a discussion on a dutch forum, I read about €260,- for the basic box and about€280, including a CF adapter.
This company has a nice proposal for developers or other professionals: you can try out an eBox for a month and if you're not happy with it, you just send it back to them.

A real drawback, imho, is the fixed RAM...
For power consumption, they say is "less than 20W"

The 3800 series has USB 2.0

Here is a similar one (same?) from a German importer: http://store.epatec.net/de/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=40
They offer it in two versions: the standard one for €260 inc VAT and a thicker "Plus" unit with space for a 2.5" harddisk and more ports for an extra €17.85 inc VAT. You can download a pdf spec sheet from this site. Sounds quite attractive Smile

Hmm, I wonder if the "DiskOnModule" flash memory uses the same interface as a Compact flash card...

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 18:31    Post subject:  

pakt wrote:


Hmm, I wonder if the "DiskOnModule" flash memory uses the same interface as a Compact flash card...

Paul


I've always thought DOM is exactly the same as ide-CF, just circumventing the need of (an ide cable and) an adapter. The only difference I can see, is that DOM is incredibly expensive, while CF prices slowly continue to go down.
I looked it up in Wikipedia, but there's not a lot to find about DOM. Just this:

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A Disk on Module (DOM) is a Flash (Fast electronic memory) Disk with 40/44 pins IDE/Standard ATA Interface and are used as a computer hard disk drive (HDD). The flash to IDE converter simulates a harddisk, and therefore the modules can be used without additional software or drivers. They are used particularly within Embedded computing systems where they can often be deployed in to very harsh environments (where mechanical hard disk drives would simply fail), or in a thin client because of small size, low power consumption and silent operation. DOM are losing there market to (integrated on motherboard) CompactFlash (CF) to IDE converters. that provide hard disk drive simulation for the widely supported CF standard.

DOM's are highly reliable as they do not have any moving parts like regular hard disks and are small in size and light in weight. However read / write times are much slower than standard modern day hard disk drives.

Currently storage capacities range from 32MB to 4GB.


There is no date on this article, but I think things have evolved a little.
It is worth mentioning the "read/write times" have accelerated to about the real world usb 2.0 speed in the newest CF's and the article forgets to mention the very fast access times, that no hard disk can equal.

Anyway, soon we'll probably see the first CF-Sata adapters. (That would be good, both in terms of speed and power consumption.) Perhaps followed shortly by a -hot-swappable- eSata stick, that will make its usb colleague obsolete? Hmm, we'll see.

We have seriously deviated from your original topic, eBoxPup-2.13!
If there were a poll I would vote "yes please, continue its development!" Cool

best regards,
Bert

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 19:12    Post subject: DOM and CF are IDE environments  

This has relation to eBoxPup, as these are alternative IDE environments in machines that will use eBoxPup.

- the latest DOM that I saw plugs directly to the IDE slot and looks like a small RAM chip

- in contrast, the eBox has ready CF adaptor that is an IDE, too

In terms of flexibility in use, a CF-ready interface is better than a DOM interface

- CF can be taken out by the user for upgrading the software (in another PC) without opening the box

- USB adaptors can be used with it

Both CF and DOM can be popularized with Puppy in general - plug it to your PC and run! (Puppy is pre-installed).

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jan 2007, 21:24    Post subject:  

Bert wrote:
About CF drives..and building Puppy hardware on a budget, .what do you guys think of this chinese adapter ??


I have the same one you mentioned. It works fine for me.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 05:56    Post subject:  

Thanks for the response, nyu. It is good to hear from a user that the quality is okay! At €1.99 this is a very good deal, as CF adapters here in Europe cost something between €20 and €30!

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 14:13    Post subject:  

To continue the discussion of alternative 'thin clients' to run Puppy on, here is the reply I got from an inquiry I sent to EPATec in Germany
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Dear Sir,

thank you for your inquiry. Soon we will present a new product range with variations of the 3800. Please check the attached comparison list. There you will find the new models 3851, 3853 and 3854 which have an additional CF-Slot.

Price is Euro 259,00 plus 19% tax, shipping Euro 20,00 plus tax. First devices are in stock and ready for inmediate delivery.

After recieving payment shipping should take 3-5 days.

Best Regards

Ulrich J. Lange

I'm attaching the product document he sent me. It is an excellent table of specifications of all the units they sell. The eTC-3851 stands out as my favorite as it has a CF-slot and can accept a 2.5" harddisk.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 16:40    Post subject:  

As a follow on to my previous post I thought I would give an update after 24 hours of using eBoxPup on the Micro Client Jr.

I had a few problems getting the mail working in Opera due to the large number of messages in my IMAP folders. I took the opportunity to weed out all the old stuff and having got rid of about 50% of my messages Opera finally managed to download all the headers. Previously it got about three quarters of the way through the headers and then everything locked up. I tried Sylpheed and that managed to pull down all the mail without a problem so I not sure why Opera locked up. Maybe a memory issue due to the larger overhead running Opera.

Once Opera was setup and I had familaiarised myself with its working Ie found the new setup perfectly usable. My only issue now is being able to run Realplayer in the background while doing other things. That just not possible on the Micro Client Jr. So, I given in and ordered an e3800 ffrom Epatec here in Spain. It should be here by Thursday. Now the only issue I have is how to do a full IDE disk install. I tried last night on a 4GB MicroDirve but it just gave me a standard CF setup.

I´m looking for an install with a fully partitioned drive and boot loader. The full Puppy does this but eBoxPup doesn seem to - am I missing something. I selected the install to IDE hard drive option and put the MicroDirve in a CF to IDE adapter which then went into the drive bay opn my notebook. Any suggestions on how I can accomplish this would be greatly appreciated. The standard CF install on a 4GB card only lets ypou set a maximum user file of 1.25GB so half the space is wasted. Plus a full install will, I´m asumming, giev me a swap partiton as well ass access to the entire drive capacity.

Once the e3800 arrive I´ll post comments on its performance.
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 21:27    Post subject:  

pakt wrote:
To continue the discussion of alternative 'thin clients' to run Puppy on, here is the reply I got from an inquiry I sent to EPATec in Germany
Quote:
Dear Sir,

thank you for your inquiry. Soon we will present a new product range with variations of the 3800. Please check the attached comparison list. There you will find the new models 3851, 3853 and 3854 which have an additional CF-Slot.

Price is Euro 259,00 plus 19% tax, shipping Euro 20,00 plus tax. First devices are in stock and ready for inmediate delivery.

After recieving payment shipping should take 3-5 days.

Best Regards

Ulrich J. Lange

I'm attaching the product document he sent me. It is an excellent table of specifications of all the units they sell. The eTC-3851 stands out as my favorite as it has a CF-slot and can accept a 2.5" harddisk.


Why it cost so much? I can get it for around USD180 + shipping. Euro 259,00 + 19% tax =USD 308.00 .
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Jan 2007, 21:43    Post subject:  

I saw in the Forum MU made a MicroMuppy(12M) and a MicroMuppyOpera(18M). Has anyone tried on eBox-2300? It seems extremly small Very Happy

Edit: Sorry it does not relate to eboxpup-2.13-0.1alpha Embarassed

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