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Rodney Byne
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Choice of which version Firefox is best

#21 Post by Rodney Byne »

Hi,

Regarding the two available versions of Firefox from the repo
that is v50 and Nightly 38.5.2esr,
please clarify as I am confused by the info.

Per instructions after downloading GTK3, is GTK3 for allowing my choice of Nightly to work and update,
or is GTK2 solely allowing for v50 to work and update.

Frankly I think it's all a muddle as I can't find an easy way to update
Nightly, but I can see in Control Panel that v50 will update.

Clear as mud, please assist.
Regards.

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#22 Post by kirk »

Sound in VLC clips, every half-second. Card is ALC3227 analog.
I can only guess, VLC might be trying to use the wrong video acceleration. Try opening VLC and then Tools - Preferences - Video and use the "Output" pull-down to select a different video acceleration method. Start with X11 video output. If that doesn't help you could try opening VLC then select Audio - Audio Device and try a different output device. If that helps may be able to set that device as the default using the Fatdog Set Default Sound Card in the control panel. Besides mplayer, Xine is also in the Repo, but I think VLC has the best GUI. In September I compiled VLC-3.0 from git, if all else fails you could give that a go, it's here.
Regarding the two available versions of Firefox from the repo
that is v50 and Nightly 38.5.2esr,
please clarify as I am confused by the info.

Per instructions after downloading GTK3, is GTK3 for allowing my choice of Nightly to work and update,
or is GTK2 solely allowing for v50 to work and update.

Frankly I think it's all a muddle as I can't find an easy way to update
Nightly, but I can see in Control Panel that v50 will update.
You only need to install gtk3 if you want to download or update the official version from Mozilla, which is what is offered if you click on Firefox in the main menu.
If you use Gslapt to install Firefox or just download the Firefox package directly from the repo (ibiblio web site) then you don't have to install anything else, GTK2 is installed by default.

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#23 Post by kirk »

This did not happen in 710b2 (was the hp_wmi module included?).
Yep it's still in there. But the kernel is updated to 4.4.35. Old bugs fixed, new bugs inserted might apply in your case with this kernel update. You can go back to the 4.4.21 kernel used in Beta2 if you want. It's here. Download vmlinuz-4.4.21 and replace the kernel for final. Also download kernel-modules.sfs-4.4.21, rename it kernel-modules.sfs and replace the one in the initrd or just click on it to mount and copy the lib folder to /.

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#24 Post by Lobster »

:D

Thanks very much for online FAQS and very comprehensive response from JamesBond.
Secure from whom ... is a good question. Mostly advertisers, phishers, data collection bots, low level stuff. Seamonkey with changed parameters should be fine.

I have told my buddhist cyber companions about Fatdog
http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/comme ... ent_500251
but they are mostly non-geek

Regarding Time travel technology, we are moving towards quantum tunneling as a method of communication from future to past reception. This in itself totally transforms society BUT enough of that ...

I am finding Geany is sufficient for editing HTML at present. Just a great editor. Wonderful to be using Rox again too.
Here is Buddhist Page I did with Geany
http://tmxxine.000webhostapp.com/yy.html

... enough of that too ... Pah! BACK TO FATDOG!

I am going to install it to HD - very carefully, Good news about Openshot support. Will Check out the SFS.

Thanks again guys. 8)
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#25 Post by LateAdopter »

Hello kirk
kirk wrote: In September I compiled VLC-3.0 from git, if all else fails you could give that a go,
Being nosey, I noticed that when you did it, but I don't touch anything there and it didn't move to packages. A couple of questions:
Is it useable? vlc/master-daily has not produced any builds on launchpad for quite a while.
Is it necessary to delete any of the existing VLC installation, e.g. plugins, before doing the installation?

Ther reason I'm interested:
VLC 2.2.x doesn't work properly with either of my CPUs.
VLC 2.1.x works with my Athlon II X2 240 (2x2.8GHz) but not with my Braswell N3150 (4x2.08GHz)
There seems to be a longstanding buffering/timing bug in VLC, when using YADIF 2x deinterlacing, that causes lots of skipping even at relatively low CPU loads.

Currently, I use gnome-mpv + libmpv with the existing ffmpeg in xenialpup64. That can play all of my PVR recordings properly by fair means or foul, in full screen. Gnome-mpv is quite primitive, though.

Thanks for Fatdog.

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#26 Post by Buddy »

TEMP SOLVED... The immediate workaround was to open the files, in this case PDF, from the former Fatdog(sda6) file system in the PDF viewer, and then save a copy to the new Fatdog in SPOT.

Then I could upload the PDF as attachment.

I am still looking into what is what concerning this


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OP

I am experiencing a new challenge.

First of all I did encrypt my savefile this time, so that might be somewhat connected to this challenge.

When I installed this version of Fatdog, I just deleted all the other files from my former installation (fatdog710beta2), apart from the savefile. The savefile i kept with all files at Sda6, and just made a x in front and after the filename of the savefile in order to make it not seen by boot session.

What happens now is that I got a shitload of PDF documents in that folder and also on my USB.

Before I could drag files around to SPOT and from there attach them as email attachments and send them at FB and what not.

Now the only way I can get files uploaded if to go to my own email and download a copy to /download/.

The files from both the former savefile and the usb, even if copy or move to SPOT, and the same files, I can not upload them

This goes for both FB and Gmail. Somewhat is seems that its rights this is about. But i never had this problem before.

Any views on this?

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#27 Post by SFR »

@Buddy: I think the files that fail to upload have insufficient permissions/ownership.
It's better to copy the stuff you want to upload into /root/spot/Downloads instead of just /root/spot.
The "Downloads" directory is special in Fatdog, because ownership of every file/dir you put there gets automatically changed to 'spot:spot'.

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#28 Post by Buddy »

You are totally correct SRF... That did it..

But just out of curiosity... Its not the first time I do this. When i upgrade to latest Fatdog, I never keep the savefile as I always think that its good with a fresh start.

So what strikes me is that this never happen before in my usage of fatdog. And I have been using the last 5 releases as my main OS be it a beta or not. I was always able to upload files from spot and not just from /spot/downloads.

Now since its no longer a barrier for me with you assistance, its like not a problem, but more like a thing i just like to understand.

GIVE OTHER CASES YOUR PRIORITY :D

But at said, its the first time i use encrypted savefile, so my immediate first thought goes to that.

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#29 Post by drunkjedi »

Edit: Deleted.
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#30 Post by prehistoric »

Still having a great experience with FD710 final. :D

I've installed it to a recycled machine mentioned here before, and plan to give this to someone who just needs a machine at home for web browsing and email. The machine had been discarded as too small and slow for anything beyond 32-bit Windoze XP, but is useful and responsive under FD710.

After thinking about explanations they will need to use this, I've decided to convert the current installation using a save file to a save-to-directory installation. Is there any convenient way to do this, or should I just go through a complete new installation from scratch?

My thought has been to copy the save file to a flash drive, where it won't be clobbered, then wipe the partition clean and do a new install. I would then mount the save file, and copy all the packages installed and other changes. Except for the change of installation method I don't want to change anything else I've done. See any problems?

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#31 Post by jamesbond »

@prehistoric:

I would do it like this, assuming you have enough diskspace.
1. Temporarily boot without savefile (use savefile=none)
2. Rename savefile to something that won't be automatically loaded (see below for notes).
3. Create the directory which would become the savedir, using the **original name of the savefile**.
4. Mount the original savefile, and from there copy the entire contents to the savedir; then unmount.
5. Reboot.

If after reboot you can see the stuff that were originally in the savefile, you have achieved your goal and the original savefile can be deleted (or backed up elsewhere). If you fail, you can always re-trace from step 3.

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Note step 2 is important. Fatdog basically loads savefile based on its original filename without extension. So re-maning fd64save.ext4 to "fd64save.ext4-orig" won't work; because fatdog will look for "fd64save*". Instead, rename it to "orig-fd64save.ext4".
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#32 Post by prehistoric »

@jamesbond,

That seems to have done the trick. I was leery of naming a directory fd64save.ext4, since this would be misleading if the file system on the partition was something else. It does work as you said.

As an experiment based on your clues, I renamed the save directory fd64save with no extension, and this worked as well. I even deleted the copied save file to make certain the system was not picking that up instead.

Thanks!

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#33 Post by mories »

kirk wrote:
This did not happen in 710b2 (was the hp_wmi module included?).
Yep it's still in there. But the kernel is updated to 4.4.35. Old bugs fixed, new bugs inserted might apply in your case with this kernel update. You can go back to the 4.4.21 kernel used in Beta2 if you want. It's here. Download vmlinuz-4.4.21 and replace the kernel for final. Also download kernel-modules.sfs-4.4.21, rename it kernel-modules.sfs and replace the one in the initrd or just click on it to mount and copy the lib folder to /.
Was in beta1 ( kernel 4.4.18 ) where this computer had no problems.
Using that kernel with 710 final as indicated does not produce the problem.
Comparing sources of module hp-wmi.c there are differences between these versions.
Therefore I will use kernel 4.4.18.
Thank you.

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#34 Post by irishrm »

Jamesbond_kirk did a USB install for three different laptops. all working well. I do find setting up wifi very difficult in Fatdog, however got it sorted in the end. BTW thanks for including the wl driver. It looks like Fatdog will be my main OS for the foreseeable future. Thanks for a great OS.
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#35 Post by kirk »

Is it useable? vlc/master-daily has not produced any builds on launchpad for quite a while.
Is it necessary to delete any of the existing VLC installation, e.g. plugins, before doing the installation?
It seems to work, but haven't did much testing. With Intel graphics it will chose the wrong video acceleration and cause problems when you full screen. For that problem go to Tools - Preferences - Video and use the "Output" pull-down to select X11 video output. You can just install it over top of VLC-2.2.4 or use the package manager and remove VLC-2.2.4 first.
Comparing sources of module hp-wmi.c there are differences between these versions.
Therefore I will use kernel 4.4.18.
Glad that works for you. Sometimes you just have to find the right kernel. The latest is not always greatest for every piece of hardware.
BTW thanks for including the wl driver. It looks like Fatdog will be my main OS for the foreseeable future. Thanks for a great OS.
Thanks irishrm, Glad to see that someone is using the wl module. I keep thinking the open source module will catch up and we can dump wl since it's like 7MB, but not so far.

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#36 Post by drunkjedi »

My machine has some extra RAM so I ran Fatdog with expand boot option.
I boot from an really old 1gb usb drive, which has few other pups too.
I used split initrd, which is in usb.
The base sfs is in HDD sda7, with savefolder.

Here's my syslinux.cfg entry

Code: Select all

label fatdog
linux /fd64/vmlinuz
initrd /fd64/split/initrd
append rootfstype=ramfs waitdev=0 basesfs=expand:device:sda7:/FD64-710/fd64.sfs savefile=ram:device:sda7:/fd64save
menu label Fatdog64
text help
Start Fatdog in RAM with split initrd and base sfs on HDD.
endtext
I clocked it with stopwatch in my mobile.

Fatdog takes 16sec to usable desktop since selecting entry in bootloader.

And man it runs fast.
Libreoffice starts in 1 sec.
Gimp took 2 sec first time, then on starts in 1sec.
I haven't yet made sfs of chrome to test it's speed.


I have a question though.

While booting it says Expanding base sfs to RAM (1280mb).

But when I run Htop it only shows 152mb of RAM in use, what gives?
Htop doesn't show ramdisk or what?

Doglover

#37 Post by Doglover »

Installed the VLC 3.0-git and it works flawlessly. ty Kirk.

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#38 Post by prehistoric »

irishrm wrote:...I do find setting up wifi very difficult in Fatdog, however got it sorted in the end...
Any time I have trouble with networking, I find Fatdog a problem. When it works without intervention, everything is great, but when anything unusual is going on I reach for a copy of an old Puppy like Precise Puppy.

This isn't to say that I can't make things work with Fatdog, once I know exactly what to do. I've done that more than once. The problem is that I would do about as well to operate from the command line in a situation like the one I had last week, where my cable company updated firmware in my cable gateway, and broke my LAN.

I have since bought my own cable modem from their approved list, (though not this one,) and will be returning the gateway they rent to me. Discovering they had a backdoor not just to the modem, but also to the router portion, upset me. Insisting they need remote administration of my entire LAN to provide secure set-up for my LAN and WLAN is an argument I liken to a policeman telling me he needs a key to my front door to patrol my neighborhood. I routinely change passwords, and disable remote administration and UPnP. They can control the modem, but the rest of the LAN is my territory.

BTW: cable support personnel are not entirely dependable from a security standpoint. I ran into people who had slipped one a few bucks for "free Internet", when they had only paid for TV. They got a modem which quit working at the next billing cycle. Obviously, someone should report this. Uh, what was this guy's name, the one who was working somewhere in the neighborhood a little over a month ago? A day when I don't see a cable truck nearby is unusual.

(Maybe kirk's ISP or neighborhood is better. I think he lives in this region.)

I already have a hacked router in my collection which was redirecting searches to a site that was picking up clicks from Google. Fortunately, there was no redirect on pages for on-line banking. Attacks on routers are still on the rise.

Secure networking is almost an oxymoron at present, and it will take years to overcome institutional problems. I'm hanging onto my old Puppy disks.

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#39 Post by smokey01 »

@Doglover
How does it work with chromecast?

Would you mind sharing your compiled version, save me doing it.

Ta

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#40 Post by Gobbi »

Many thanks and congratulations to the Fatdog Team for for the final of 710 edition :!:

I'm buiding a new PC for me with an Asus Z170I Pro Gaming mini ITX Intel motherboard and I'm very pleased
to see that audio works both on analog lineout and HDMI from the iGPU of the CPU (a Pentium G4400 , for now) .
On FD700 I had no audio , maybe due to the older kernel . Video is acceptable with Intel , but I shall add a discrete GPU
next year . I hope there will be working solutions for AMD , NVIDIA graphics cards .

I tested a remastered FD710 on a different PC ( Acer Veriton S480G) and to my surprise the ethernet interface became
eth1 instead of eth0 . Inside Qemu it took a different label too (eth126) . Previously , the one and only wired interface
of any PC I would run on any Remaster of Fatdog64 was always called eth0 . It seems the wired interfaces are recognised and remembered . It is supposed to be this way or this behavior is unwanted :?:

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