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Micro Muppy 002 (12 MB-Iso with Xvesa)
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MU


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 12:18    Post_subject:  Micro Muppy 002 (12 MB-Iso with Xvesa)  

Picture:



Full size picture: http://puppyfiles.org/isos/MicroMuppy/micromuppy001.jpg

It is an extremely small Puppy, based on Picopup (that is based on Puppy 108).
I added:
more USB-drivers,
Xvesa,
XFileExplorer,
Adie (Texteditor),
Shutterbug (make screenshots)
wmsetbg (set background via console)
rxvt
xmessage
Puppybasic

I removed glib and mpc and music-libraries (but alsa still is included).
So this is not intended for "End-users", but for people who want to build an own Micro-Iso, for example to use a very old machine as a musicbox.

You cannot "install" dotpups via mouseclick, but extract them with unzip and tar.
I think picopup supports NO pup001 (save settings), but did not try that.
So every change you need, must be added to image.gz.
I used Pizzasgoods initrd-editor for this.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=12089
Note the modifications I had to add:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=93845#93845

For small modifications you also could follow this instruction:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=101246#101246

Download:
http://puppyfiles.org/isos/MicroMuppy/

You can try a Iso or a zip.

The zip can be used like picopup:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=4930&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=16

Or boot it via grub, if you have one.
I saved vmlinuz and image.gz on
/mnt/hda10/MicroMuppy/

Then I added this to grubs menu.lst with a texteditor:
Code:
title MicroMuppy
        rootnoverify (hd0,9)
        kernel (hd0,9)/MicroMuppy/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=29000
        initrd (hd0,9)/MicroMuppy/image.gz


It has some glitches:
"dialog" and other curses based applications cannot open a terminal in consolemode or rxvt (uh?).
So there is no textmode-editor included.
If someone knows a solution, please let me know.

I also cannot mount my USB-harddisk, that is attached via PCMCIA to USB adapter.

To mount other drives, use such a command:
mkdir /mnt/hda1
mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1


Backgroundinfo
Xvesa:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=4082
I just moved some files to other folders.
As many applications need additional libs from xorg, I used those from Puppy 2.12.
JWM I found in an old Puppy 107 installation, but I might have upgraded that somewhen.
A version from 2.12 did not run, as it could find no default-font.

Mark

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muggins

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 13:05    Post_subject:  

mark,

i thought you had retired! i can't wait to give this one a spin tomorrow.

cheers
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 13:07    Post_subject:  

i just thought...i wonder how long before someone burns this to a cd, then posts a complaint that it doesn't do xyz, or have the kitchen sink!
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 13:24    Post_subject:  

lol. yes, why are no german keyboards supported? Wink
All this could be added of course, but then we would have a 50 MB-Puppy again.

So this is really just intended for specialized purposes.
It is also good to learn, as you are forced to use the console (e.g. to mount a drive).

I'm leaving on febr. , 5th, but was too tired today to program my webinterface.
So I thought doing some configuration stuff is the right thing to pass this sunday Smile
As I saw several posts asking about picopup, I decided to make it a bit easier to use, maybe this helps sunburnt with his Lan-Puppy. But he had to copy back glib and other Gtk-libs then from Picopup and Puppy 108, to be able to use Xdialog/Gtkdialog.

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 14:48    Post_subject:  

Very exciting.

I got a kernel panic during the boot up but would be interested how others get on . . .

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 14:54    Post_subject:  

Lobster, did you boot from CD?
I used the files from Puppy 109 for the iso, maybe some settings must be changed in isolinux.cfg.
I might have a look tomorrow, if nobody else will sort that out.
My tests I made only using the frugal installation.

Another reason might be missing kernelmodules for your hardware, Picopup had removed many of them.
In that case, also a frugal installation would fail.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 15:25    Post_subject:  

Confused yes booted from CD . . .
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 17:27    Post_subject:  

I tried a frugal install.
It starts up ok but doesnt have any mouse control(ps2)
Is there a command I can run in the console to try and make it respond.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 18:27    Post_subject:  

Phil, try this, first exit X if you started it (ctrl-alt-backspace):

cp -ax /etc/mousedevice /etc/mousedevice-backup
echo "psaux" > /etc/mousedevice

Then type "xwin" again.
I'm not shure if that works, please tell us, if you have success.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 19:24    Post_subject:  

No that did not make any difference.
I managed to get into xfe with the keyboard.
I will have another look tomorrow.

Be interesting to know if anyone else has a problem

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 19:45    Post_subject:  

If you run a standard-puppy with xvesa, please tell me, what stands in the textfile /etc/mousedevice there.

Please also type in that big Puppy
readlink /dev/mouse
and post here, what result you get.

I'd like to add a mouse-selection option to the startscreen.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 19:53    Post_subject:  

are all the files suppost to be in image.gz? or is there suppost to be a usr_cram? Because when I extracted the iso there was no usr_cram. Could this be the reason for the kernel panics?
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 20:05    Post_subject:  

no, no usr_cram.
Pico was 8 MB only, so mpd decided to keep it as simple as possible.
As Pico even had no X, several scripts were radically reduced.
This made it a bit difficult to put xvesa back in again.
Maybe I should have gone the other way round:
reduce a full Puppy 108.
But I was attracted by the minimalist concept.

isolinux.cfg has 5 boot-options I think, the first 2 use PHOME or so.
I think, it might have to do with that.
I will buy rewritable CDs tomorrow, then I can burn some test-isos.

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 20:58    Post_subject: Nicely done  

Nicely done, Mark! Will try it as soon as I can.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jan 2007, 22:40    Post_subject:  

mark,

i've only tried it with qemu so far. initially it was booting too quickly, before i could choose any options, so i changed the timeout in isolinux.cfg. but then all options are giving me the
"kernel panic: no init found" message.
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