I finally woofed a loading Puduan Pup! With lots of help!

[Sailor Enceladus]

Also, I probably need to have a coffee with the person who did the new JWM
desk. It is seriously constraining any imaginative approach to the jwm tray bars.
For ex., if you wish to have two separate bars in .jwmrc-tray (please see attached
capture), it will ignore your changes or misinterpret them. I had quite a time
overriding this new JWM Desk.

Haha good idea musher0. While you are having a chat and coffee with them, I will have a talk with Joe Wing himself about why the borders were removed in jwm 2.3.0, and how to get them back. It seems like the last version with them available is 2.2.2:

http://joewing.net/projects/jwm/releases/jwm-2.2.2.tar.xz

Joe winggggg! *shrieks like granny*

[musher0]

That's not nice, Sailor ! Bad kitty!!! I don't like jwm, but Joe Wingmueller
himself may be a nice person, I don't know.
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I had the same problem as you with the new jwm, except in my case it also looked
like aewm, with no icons to close or maxi/mini/mize. The window decorations
wouldn't follow the chosen theme either. So I went back to jwm v. 2.2.2 too, from
the pupjibaro.
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The old urxvt that's included is the pits. (Sorry, phil!) Very few of my scripts worked
with it.

So I compiled rxvt-unicode-9.22 from source on the Puduan Pup with parameter
"--enable-everything" (yep, such a thing exists!) and it's working great. Here it is for
you people to pluck off its branch!
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code ... MGdzcNEnG7
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The old jwm manager settings are just above the jwm Desk utility in the Desktop
sub-menu, BTW, if you don't like the suffering!
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Following phil's advice, these are the libs I installed as indicated by

Code: Select all

checkdeps -system

[/initrd/mnt/...our_Puduan]>ls -Algo
total 7156
-rw-r--r-- 1 2088573 aoû 15 22:41 libavcodec52-0.7.16-1-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 492833 aoû 15 22:55 libavformats52-0.7.16-1-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 60677 aoû 15 22:51 libavutil50-0.7.16-1-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 52916 aoû 15 22:54 libcdio12-0.82-5-rosa.lts2012.0.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 1056270 aoû 15 22:19 libdirectfb-1.2-9_1.2.10.0-5.1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 61046 aoû 15 22:12 libelfg0_0.8.13-5_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 98804 aoû 15 22:16 libmhash2_0.9.9.9-7_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 673125 aoû 15 22:36 libperl5.18-5.18.2-8-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 34510 aoû 15 22:38 librest-0.7-0_0.7.92-3_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 38541 aoû 15 23:02 librtmp0-2.3-5-rosa2014.1.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 204690 aoû 15 22:09 libsdl1.2debian_1.2.15-10+b1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 131266 aoû 15 22:11 libssh2-1_1.4.3-4.1+deb8u1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 53402 aoû 15 22:17 libvlc5_2.2.4-1~deb8u1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 414580 aoû 15 22:28 libvlccore8_2.2.4-1~deb8u1_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 554320 aoû 15 22:07 libvpx1_1.3.0-3_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 1279400 aoû 15 22:29 perl-base_5.20.2-3+deb8u6_i386.deb

If you need them, just say so, I'll make them available.

The only one that didn't register properly with the checkdeps utility is libcdio-
something-12 which I actually installed twice -- to no avail. But deadbeef is working
fine. (Beats me.)

Some of them are rpm archives that I found for the ROSA distro at pkgs.org. But
they work! (The Debian Jessie repo did not have them at all, or it had them but not
for the i386 architecture.)
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Finally, is it just in my head, or is this Puduan noticeably faster than any other Pup?

BFN.

[ally]

got a link for the iso?

[musher0]

got a link for the iso?

Many thanks for the offer, ally.

I'm almost there, give me another day, please.
There are still a couple of bugs.

BFN.

[666philb]

(...)
libgnutls30 is a left over entry from xenial and any package that needs it will need recompiling for puduan.. use checkdeps -system

ndiswrapper is probably obsolete with the latest kernels... if needed you'll should probably make a.pet. and add it to packages-puppy-paduan-official.

lots of stuff should be recompiled for puduan ... i added libjpeg8 so various xenial packages would work, but this isn't in the devuan repos. ideally it should be removed and specific puduan packages made. jwm abiword etc..

Hello phil.

In light of what you said, what should be the criteria for choosing what needs to be
recompiled for the Puduan Pup?

Thanks in advance. BFN.

move libjpeg.so.8.0.2 and its symlink somewhere safe then run checkdeps -system

be warned that that particular jwm needs it so you'll need to move it back if you want to keep the system up.

deadbeef will need recompiling .... so you don't need to get those libs from alien distros, just recompile.

also installing libperl from another distro isn't what i meant ... i meant use checkdeps and then recompile those apps for puduan ... so add hexchat to the list ...although you might get away with just a symlink to puduans libperl.

you are liable to break something installing random libs not from the official repo

[666philb]

you may just want to keep libjpeg8 for now, but definitely recompile deadbeef,jwm and maybe hexchat (if the libperl symlink doesn't work.)

that stuff missing from vlc i mostly left out of tahrpup and xenial... libsidplay and libshine might be good to add though.

you can check a packages version and how they are named in Packages-devuan-jessie-main then add to DISTRO_PKG_SPECS

for deadbeef add the petspecs to packages-puppy-puduan-official then put the pet in the pet folder. .. then check DISTRO_PKG_SPECS the to see if it's named the same. then build the deadbeef package on the build tab

[musher0]

Many thanks for your guidance, phil.

I didn't understand all that you said in your last two posts, but I'll try to follow your
instructions blindly! Sometimes learning comes by doing. (Re-injecting freshly
compiled pets and their info into the woof-CE is really a mystery to me at this point.)
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If I choose (g)mplayer for multimedia, I should remove all libs with *vlc* reference
in them, right?
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Also, GMeasures is useless on non-English Puppies (where "${LANG:0:2}" != "en")
because in French for example we use the comma instead of the dot to introduce
decimals. I had a bit of a skirmish with BK about it a couple of years ago. He
presented a wrapper for GMeasures which didn't work for fr_CA and he didn't
believe me when I told him. (Sorry if this remark tarnishes the father figure, but it's
true.) So for the time being, I'll be removing GMeasures in favor of the old and
ugly, but reliable, tkConvert.

Would you or anyone know of a more recent conversion application that's accurate
with commas introducing decimals? Thanks in advance.
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@ally: As you can see, there is lots to be weeded out before this Puduan is ready
for publication and archiving!

Have a great day, everyone!

[ally]

god damn it man, get on!!

[musher0]

god damn it man, get on!!

Funny guy!

Oh, If you absolutely need something to do (where's that tongue-in-cheek icon?), I
can make available, now, the "raw" iso as output by the woof-CE as well as the devx.

But there'll have to be a note along with those files stating that it's only a raw,
buggy and unfinished -- although workable to some extent -- output of the woof-CE for
a Puduan Pup. Potential Puppyists Beware!

BFN.

[ally]

whenever your happy with it

no ISO uploads for a couple of days and I get itchy....

[starhawk]

Begging your pardon, musher, but who or what is "Puduan"...?

[musher0]

Begging your pardon, musher, but who or what is "Puduan"...?

Hi starhawk.

I think it's a contra(p|c)tion of Puppy and Devuan. I did not invent the term. It's
one of the build choices offered in the woof-CE. I wish it had to do with the Italian city of Padua!

BFN.

[musher0]

Greengeek's timing is simply perfect!
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ost#918614

[musher0]

Hello all.

This is a download link to the latest Sound eXchange player, analyzer and
converter. It's similar to mplayer in a way, except it processes only sound files.
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code ... 7j8kaS5kWV

This is a fresh compile (shared libs only) on the Puduan-6, from the source plucked
today at SoX's github site. This means that this SoX package will run only on
Puppies with an ldd of 2.19. (The same goes for the urxvt-9.22 that I made
available yesterday, BTW.)

Editorial decision:
SoX will be in the Puduan-6 Pup along with a wrapper that already exists to play
flac, mpg, and ogg files.

It may rub some people the wrong way, but given the great sound quality plus the
relative small size of SoX, I'm thinking of dropping DeadBeef, or making it available
as an add-on. This is the time to react folks!!! I'm not totally decided, but I'm
leaning towards that decision. So we'd have (g)mplayer and the SoX wrapper in the
media dep't.
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In the wm dep't, I'm thinking of leaving jwm in (not much choice since this is a
Puppy, eh?), but going for echinus and / or wmx as more important, default wm's.
The ideas as to how to articulate this at boot-up are still a bit hazy.

Jwm has definitely been given too much focus in Puppies already. I'll recompile a
version of jwm for the Puduan, as per phil's recommendation, but don't expect me
to further it in any other way.

Puppy can be a great platform for other wm's, and aside from peebee with his
LxPup (currently) and dejan555 with his KDE Pup (a few years ago), nobody seems
to have explored this possibility.

BFN.

[musher0]

Hello all.

As per phil's recommendation, the following have been freshly compiled on the Puduan:

jwm-20160817 (the one that half follows theme changes and doesn't have
buttons on the right side to close, iconify, etc. You have been warned! Tests ok.
Incorporated in the Puduan for testing purposes, but I will be reverting to jwm v. 2.2.2
from the pupjibaro.)
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code ... VCbfA7mPnk
Source: Joe Wing's github page for the jwm window manager.

libjpeg-8d (the lib needed by most versions of jwm and other apps. Tests ok.
Incorporated in the Puduan.)
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code ... P007aUD8Iy

libjpeg-9b (This one is not needed by jwm. Compiling it was a mistake on my part,
but it's a bonus to anyone who needs it! Untested. Not incorporated.)
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code ... E5cp50CO47
Source for these two jpeg libraries: http://www.ijg.org/files

Enjoy! BFN

[Sailor Enceladus]

Oh no, musher0 has gone into "advertise random packages mode" again. This is going to drive ally mad

[nilsonmorales]

musher

I think it's a contra(p|c)tion Wink of Puppy and Devuan

https://devuan.org/
1366x768

[Sailor Enceladus]

I thought it was pronounced Dev-oo-on, but the site refers to it as dev-1. So pu-du-an is really pronounced pud-1?

[musher0]

musher

I think it's a contra(p|c)tion Wink of Puppy and Devuan

https://devuan.org/
1366x768

Nice one, NIlson! Thanks.
Better integrated than your first one, I think. (But this is subjective, of course.)

[musher0]

Oh no, musher0 has gone into "advertise random packages mode" again. This is going to drive ally mad

Just following my mentor's instructions, girl!