What's to replace opera-12.1x ?

[redandwhitestripes]

I'm assuming people in this thread don't want anything to do with Chrome or its re-skins.

I'm assuming people can make their own decisions. Quite a good assumption, I think.

[Moat]

... the latest Opera is Linux-compatible again.

Well that's good news, and should make some folks around here happy.

I just gave their opera-stable_35.0.2066.68_i386.deb (~46 mb) a shot on Precise 5.7.1 - complained about missing libs; libnspr4 and libnss3 - installed those two (~3 mb) from PPM, and now complains about sandbox and permissions. That's as far as I got. I might give it a go on my (non-root ) Mint 17 box...

*edit - tried chmod 4755 /usr/lib/opera/opera_sandbox - and it no longer complains, shows as running in lxtask - but nothing's visible on the desktop...

Bob

[OscarTalks]

On some older machines I still run (Presto) Opera 12.16 but I install everything in /mnt/home outside of PupSave. The profile and cache data can also be set to store here as well so nothing fills up the save-file. I like to have a range of browsers available in this way and the old Opera is nice as a semi-light browser.

As for the latest stable Chromium based Opera 35.0.2066.68 32bit it does run for me in Precise 5.7.1 and even Wheezy with just a few of the usual tweaks to the launcher/wrapper. I didn't need any extra libs.

I believe that the Chromium source code has now developed in such a way as to make support for NPAPI plugins extremely difficult, so this is probably why Google Hangouts/Talk plugin no longer works. Java will probably not work either.

Out of the box this Opera has no flash 11 support or pepper flash. I also find that in some cases it continues to run after exit. There is some networking stuff going on which throws errors. I can't see any way to turn off the updater in the preferences and this may be the cause.

I recall I looked at the development version of this Opera a few months ago and concluded that I prefer Slimjet as a Chromium derivative and I would still say the same thing today, but some people may like it and it is good to have options for modern browsers for Puppy.

EDIT:- Here is what worked in my test. Seemed better in Slacko 5.7 BUT that does need libgconf2 as usual.
https://yadi.sk/d/kbkFDOa3pGaxF

[Moat]

I recall I looked at the development version of this Opera a few months ago and concluded that I prefer Slimjet as a Chromium derivative and I would still say the same thing today...

Thanks OscarTalks - being I'm not a huge fan of either the old Opera or Chrome/Chromium to begin with, I'll just take your word for it and leave my cursory test as is, for now. Just thought I'd give it a quick look-see, but sounds like there's a bit of dev work ahead before it might evolve into a real "contender".

Bob

[WoodenNickle]

[quote="musher0"]Hello, Puppy-ists!

If you'd like a start page for Pale Moon that doesn't use the Google
search engine -- with its analytics and spying stuff, here's one!

I've replaced the Google URL with StartPage, so the search results should
be pretty much the same. I also substituted the WhineDose thumbnail
with Softpedia's, and then added a thumnbnail for DistroWatch at the
bottom. I didn't touch anything else. I understand that the people at Pale
Moon probably want the info and the advertising "royalties" from Google,
but...


musher0

I downloaded the 32 bit version & started exploring it. The default search engine is duck duck go! A welcome change from the info suckers. Shockwave flash had to be downloaded & installed. No big deal with the help from a multitude of Puppy Linux posters and contributors. Have to update jre also. I agree, Moonchild Productions may want to consider paying a little attention to Linux users. My main reason for switching was because of S/M & FF both crashing every 5 minutes. Palemoon has crashed 3 or 4 times over the last 3 days. I'm gonna suggest they might want to browse around a bit on the best forum on the internet!

[musher0]

Hello, Puppy-ists!

If you'd like a start page for Pale Moon that doesn't use the Google
search engine -- with its analytics and spying stuff, here's one!

I've replaced the Google URL with StartPage, so the search results should
be pretty much the same. I also substituted the WhineDose thumbnail
with Softpedia's, and then added a thumnbnail for DistroWatch at the
bottom. I didn't touch anything else. I understand that the people at Pale
Moon probably want the info and the advertising "royalties" from Google,
but...

musher0

I downloaded the 32 bit version & started exploring it. The default search engine is duck duck go! A welcome change from the info suckers. Shockwave flash had to be downloaded & installed. No big deal with the help from a multitude of Puppy Linux posters and contributors. Have to update jre also. I agree, Moonchild Productions may want to consider paying a little attention to Linux users. My main reason for switching was because of S/M & FF both crashing every 5 minutes. Palemoon has crashed 3 or 4 times over the last 3 days. I'm gonna suggest they might want to browse around a bit on the best forum on the internet!

Hello WoodenNickle.

As you may not know, newer versions of PaleMoon (newer in the sense of "after
this thread was initiated") are for 64-bit computers only. It may account for your
troubles.

As for me, I'm hanging on to my old opera-14.16, and switching to either the
surprisingly versatile links2 or firefox when opera cannot display a webpage
properly.

Since I have no money at present to buy a reasonably powerful 64-bit desktop,
I've decided to boycott PaleMoon -- AND Vivaldi, for the same reason.

Bye for now.

[nic007]

Are you sure about the 64-bit only part? Anyways, Seamonkey still remains a viable option. I don't like Firefox

[musher0]

Are you sure about the 64-bit only part? Anyways, Seamonkey still remains a viable option. I don't like Firefox

Hi nic007.

Not absolutely, no. What I know is that Palemoon now requires to be run on a
computer that has a CPU with a certain math instruction (SS3 instead of just plain
SSE; "my understanding") -- that my 32-bit machines don't have.

So I'm not absolutely sure that that is the same as needing a 64-bit chip. I thought
it was demanding it covertly. Maybe I'm wrong.

BFN.

[nic007]

Hi, musher0. I asked because I checked their website and they have 32 bit downloads for the new release (at least the page I visited had a download for Windows 32 bit system). BTW - My old machine runs the latest Tahr with the included Pale Moon browser. The browser works well.

[musher0]

I'll give PaleMoon another try, then.

Thanks, nic007.

[bark_bark_bark]

Are you sure about the 64-bit only part? Anyways, Seamonkey still remains a viable option. I don't like Firefox

Hi nic007.

Not absolutely, no. What I know is that Palemoon now requires to be run on a
computer that has a CPU with a certain math instruction (SS3 instead of just plain
SSE; "my understanding") -- that my 32-bit machines don't have.

So I'm not absolutely sure that that is the same as needing a 64-bit chip. I thought
it was demanding it covertly. Maybe I'm wrong.

BFN.

No Pale Moon requires SSE2 (not SSE3) and it does come in 32-bit flavors and 64-bit flavors.

[musher0]

SS2, eh? I have to remember that. Thanks, bark_bark_bark.

[OscarTalks]

Stable Opera for Linux 32bit version 36.0.2130.32
Still runs in Wheezy and various recent official Puppies (glibc-2.13 and later).
Still not my Chromium derivative of choice but uploaded for demonstration and experimentation purposes only in case anyone is interested in taking a look.
Pepper Flash 21.0.0.197 added.
https://yadi.sk/d/kbkFDOa3pGaxF

[nic007]

I hardly ever use these big browsers, I only do for streaming media. I use Opera Mini (run on emulator) for general browsing. Blinding fast.

[musher0]

Hello all.

Just to report that I tried the newest PaleMoon 32-bit Monday, but it's still refusing to
launch on this old AMD Athlon 2600+.

BFN

[bark_bark_bark]

Hello all.

Just to report that I tried the newest PaleMoon 32-bit Monday, but it's still refusing to
launch on this old AMD Athlon 2600+.

BFN

That CPU must not have SSE2 then. There is a 3rd-party build for CPUs without SSE2, but have SSE.

[Ted Dog]

Low brow Burlesque shows based on history.

[step]

Stable Opera for Linux 32bit version 36.0.2130.32...
Still not my Chromium derivative of choice...

I'm curious why not. I'm using opera-developer all the time and I like it. But I have no experience with other Chromium derivatives to compare with.

[OscarTalks]

I'm curious why not.

Perhaps I have just grown accustomed to Slimjet, but it has extra features that I like, it doesn't update the browser in Linux (yet) but does auto update Pepper Flash which works.

In my brief tests of Opera there is a problem with something still running sometimes after the browser has been closed. I think this is the updater and I am seeing attempts to connect to the internet which worry me. Also there is the problem that I couldn't make Pepper Flash work but that could be just me having a mental block. EDIT:- Looks like this might be because the wrapper needs the path to the flash lib file and not the directory.

Maybe it is because I am trying to use my browsers in slightly older Puppies that I see the snags.

[01micko]

qupzilla-2.0 has just been released based on qtwebengine - the successor to qtwebkit (webkit in linux is rather unmaintained). This requires the new qt-5.6. Qtwebengine is based on blink.

I actually built qt-5.6beta (over Christmas) and qupzilla-1.9.9 from git at the time and while it was crashy on nvidia and intel graphics hardware it runs beautifully on my radeon hardware. I reported it to the developer (with a backtrace) and he reckons it was a bug in the graphics stack - maybe, And if so I'll wait to build it again unutil I'm on slackware-current (soon to be 14.2). Qt-5.6beta took over 6 hours to compile! . It would probably take another 3 to split into doc/dev/nls so it would be an over nighter.

Otter browser has also moved to qtwebengine.

For the record, VLC ran perfectly compiled against Qt-5.6beta on nvidia, intel and radeon graphics hardware.