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New page for puppylinux.com

#41 Post by L18L »

01micko wrote:Brand new page is live at http://puppylinux.com
Congrats!
Very nice.
I like it.

One question
Source is looking like kind of mdview.
Is gettext possible?
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#42 Post by mavrothal »

01micko wrote:Brand new page is live at http://puppylinux.com

See main post.
Since I'm not sure how many will do that and also that the main post still points to the old gihub repo, I'd like to point out that the content of new puppylinix.com site is hosted at
https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/p ... .github.io

The README file there says:
We have decided to use the markdown language for the text portion of the files in order to make it simple for anyone to contribute content.

Contributions on web design are also welcome, as long as they do not complicate content contribution, and as long as the contributor agrees to license their changes as CC0 (Public Domain).
So please contribute!
Please notice that any contribution will be always acknowledged as each page in new site list at the bottom (image) the persons that contributed to the creation of the specific page!
So what are you waiting for?
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#43 Post by bark_bark_bark »

The site is completely broken with JS disabled. Why do you insist on making JS do HTML's job of rendering the page?
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#44 Post by solo »

I run the No-Script add-on as many others do as well. That means that we do not automatically have Javascript enabled when we visit an unknown webpage.

What would be advisable, is to have some kind of re-direct for folks who have javascript disabled, like here:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/989 ... t-redirect

Then at least you could direct them to a page which tells them to activate their Javascript.

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#45 Post by mavrothal »

bark_bark_bark wrote:The site is completely broken with JS disabled. Why do you insist on making JS do HTML's job of rendering the page?
Because we do not know how to make a page that will allow for easy content contribution, acknowledge contributors etc, while is looking good (or just ok) from a phone screen to a computer screen (this a puppy page for general audience), in pure html. If you know how to do it please provide patches.

@solo
Thanks for the redirection pointer.
But again, please provide some patches. This is a community edition. Commune!
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New page for puppylinux.com

#46 Post by L18L »

bark_bark_bark wrote:The site is completely broken with JS disabled.
I would not say Completely broken.
Just without style.

Solution is to add:

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<body>
<noscript>
	<p style="font-weight:bolder;color:red;background:yellow;">For nice pictures and another style you might enable javascript for this site.</p></noscript>	
<textarea theme="cerulean" readonly="readonly" style="width:100%;" rows="40" cols="100">## Puppy 

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EDIT
Oh yes, navigation is totally absent. :wink:
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#47 Post by mavrothal »

Without javascript is currently pretty useless but look (in your picture) how clean and readable the source code is and how easy would be for everyone willing to contribute, to do so.
As a comparison look at the source code of this forum page below and tell me which one would you rather try to edit.
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#48 Post by mavrothal »

Might be hope after all. :)

Looks like we already have a contributor in the new puppylinux.com site!
And is a newcomer too.
If we could only get the old dogs barking up to the new tree too...
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#49 Post by L18L »

Without Subject description as mavrovthal proudly never reads them.

Do you really expect any input from me?

In addition to my demonstration of using html tag noscript
I've been trying to put it into your github, see:
https://github.com/L18L/puppylinux-woof ... ac0e8e6bb8

I better waste my time anywhere else :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_noscript.asp

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#50 Post by mavrothal »

L18L wrote:Do you really expect any input from me?
I would expect some input from anyone willing to contribute rather than judge and certainly you qualify :D
Regarding noscript as you know by now we are working on it for some time now trying to get the optimal solution.
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#51 Post by bark_bark_bark »

I must say it is distasteful that websites are outsourcing the job of html/css to javascript. :evil:
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#52 Post by greengeek »

I like the way the page looks. Very fresh:
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#53 Post by ariel »

I like the new look of the page. Thanks guys for the good work :D


I think the problem of javascript should be solved, though. I like websites that are user friendly with all kind of browsers, even text browsers :o
Is this possible?
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#54 Post by dogle »

I am truly sorry to criticise others' efforts when I myself can do so little to help, but this is terrible. Vandalism would not be too strong a word, IMHO.

Last night I went straight to the new site on seeing Barry's announcement, running Puppy 4.3.1 (still my all-time favourite) and was astonished to see just text .... when I enabled JavaScript, I couldn't even SEE the page (just a momentary flash of rendering, then complete blank).

01micko said at the outset, very rightly, something like "we don't need any fancy JavaScript and stuff" (but has that remark been edited out today??). Whatever, never was a truer message uttered!

Mavrothal, sorry, but I just can't buy the argument about needing something
"looking good (or just ok) from a phone"
when as yet a viable 'phone-loadable Puppy is not even on the radar (or even close to being, despite the brave efforts of one or two investigating piggybacking). Puppy, right now, remains a PC distro for the foreseeable.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" - well, it sure has been broken now by this 'fixing', to the point that I can no longer use it with my older Pups (and I do still need to, right now).

For pity's sake, forget about blingifying the site (there is simply just no point), can this new abomination, and please, please restore the original site format which was just fine - and worked!

gcmartin

#55 Post by gcmartin »

Web page designers understand the benefits of using ALL tools necessary to achieve WEB objectives. Some web developers use HTML (various ways), C, C#, Javascript, JAVA, PHP, and on and on and ...

There is NO absolute way to Web designs any more than there is an "absolute" approach to operating systems or applications or art or ....

Comments, IMHO, should be directed to indicate methods of resolution or to indicate areas of web rendering which is not occurring properly on the device(s) you use with the browsers that your devices provide you. Sometimes, examples seen on other sites can be brought to the attention as it can suggest a method of delivery which can be useful.

When reporting problems, if would be a good thing to report the "DEVICE" you are using along with the Browser and its release level on the OS that you run. Listed again in problems reported;
  • device
  • OS
  • browser
  • release level(s)
I believe this will help the site, its users, and its developers to present the quality of information useful for the community.

There are a few web developers with skills that can be helpful. Some of them are capable of "snaking" the website, and coding to present a good/better/best experience for server-site presentation to viewers.

Looking forward to continued efforts to improve community use of the resources we receive in this community.

Thanks to all thus far.

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#56 Post by rob2306 »

Hi Guys, First used Puppy in 2006 & while I currently use Linux Mint, I still keep an eye on Puppy & have it on a flash drive for emergencies. Just wanted to provide feedback - I think the new site is great. Congratulations to all involved - a job well done! Regards, Rob.

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#57 Post by buti »

As far as screen size Barry used this simple trick with fixed width tables

http://barryk.org/news/?viewDetailed=00305

so all the main page could be a long fixed width table. But I suspect that there is more than that for the inclusion of JS.

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#58 Post by L18L »

:D
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#59 Post by solo »

Website looks great people!

Good work!

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#60 Post by Terry H »

Congratulations to all contributors for the new design. It has a very nice, fresh look. Well done.

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