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Ghost Dog


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jan 2016, 01:57    Post subject:  

I changed grub.cfg to say

Code:
menuentry "Start Fatdog64-631.iso" {
loopback loop0  (hd1,0)/Fatdog64-631.iso
linux (loop0)/vmlinuz
initrd (loop0)/initrd
}


This gave a similar error message to the one screenshotted above, except the "booting Fatdog" line is missing. So it was just

Code:
error: no such partition.
error: disk 'loop0' not found.
error: you need to load the kernel first.
Press any key to continue..


So I changed the file to:

Code:
menuentry "Start Fatdog64-631.iso" {
loopback loop0  (hd1,msdos1)/Fatdog64-631.iso
linux (loop0)/vmlinuz
initrd (loop0)/initrd
}


This results in a black screen.

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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jan 2016, 05:50    Post subject:  

Thanks for your followup @Ghost Dog.

Your PUP booted.

On your Black screen issue, please post on the FATDOG thread that "you are able to boot but you're arriving at a Black Screen". They should be able to guide you appropriately. Others may want to repeat and use your approaches that this demonstrates; namely, that you are successful in booting FD ISOs on a UEFI PC.

Thanks again.

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jan 2016, 06:37    Post subject:  

The new release version just came out for fatdog64, I have been using a prerelease version ( testing before RC ) and it a solid version. Version 631 was good but had less support for video. 701 also was uncharacteristically poor for Fatdog64. Now with the corrected boot strings will be easy to add to grub config file.
Note I have not been able to do much, computers are in storage and its like drug withdrawal. Wink
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cimarron


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:29    Post subject:  

I found I can boot a usb drive on UEFI machines by adding the /EFI/boot directory from refind (which fatdog also uses, I believe). I also had to change the refind.conf settings to make it always look for legacy bios bootloaders (it doesn't do this by default for PCs, only Macs), and enable deep legacy scan to detect the usb drive bootloader.

These are the relevant lines edited in refind.conf ("biosexternal" is for the usb drive bootloader):
Code:
scanfor internal,hdbios,external,biosexternal,optical,cd,manual

uefi_deep_legacy_scan


But basically I enabled UEFI booting on my multiboot usb drive by simply adding that directory, and refind found the syslinux bootloader. It also boots on BIOS machines since the MBR is not affected.

I don't have a Mac to test it yet, but it worked on a UEFI PC. This solution doesn't provide secure boot, like fatdog offers. But it allows using your existing bootloader rather than having to use GRUB2.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2016, 07:37    Post subject: UEFI on Win10..?  

Seems like a brilliant innovation, although i haven't tested it yet. This 17" mac desktop i'm posting from was completely puppified a few years ago, using rEFInd. I also have a mac which i partitioned with rEFInd to boot either Puppy or OSX.....haven't used Window$ myself since 2007....oh, happy daze!! Very Happy

A friend of mine has a new HP machine with Win10 (erk!) and the boot procedure on it is more stringent (arbitrary?) than that of W7,8 or 8.1, as i've discovered.

Before i go duckstuffing around with the horrible beast any more, i'm wondering if this UEFI.zip is likely to work on it..?

My thanks, regardless, for all the great work you collectively do..

Cheers,
russoodle

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2016, 08:29    Post subject:  

Worked for me with W10 pre-release eval copy. W10 does not seem to add any new benefits or restrictions via EFI bootloader. Newer hardware and W10 are attempting to lockout at the CPU level. IE win10 will only work on newer CPUs once people start to buy them. If, people buy CPU locked Windows 10 is still near future. To me it looks like another marketing/lock-in idea doomed to failure, or easily by-past once under pressure by hardware companies and IT professionals/Linux etc. like UEFI, was.
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2016, 09:18    Post subject:  

@cimarron I used newest FatDog64 EFI, like I did to construct the one available on this thread, it has been updated and reEFI acts like you described in newest version.
Not sure I like the behavior, since it by-passed my grub2 config if a hybrid dvd or harddrive has other linux bootloaders was found. Also newer FD64-EFI boots much much faster there is like a 10 second hopping around when switching between ReEFI and Grub2 in this older version used in my .zip file.
I am going to look into both ideas and let the dust settle on this new extra boot-ie reEFI idea. There is no restrictions for someone just creating a reEFI .zip file and providing a more flexible ( you can choose GRUB2 or others ) solution. The purpose was to provide a no change no install no format idea to boot into a compatible linux using looped ISO file in this case supported by grub2 on a well locked-in windows8-10 EFI hardware. Once, past the 'blockade' you can get any other method to work.
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russoodle


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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2016, 10:04    Post subject:  

Ted Dog wrote:
Worked for me with W10 pre-release eval copy. W10 does not seem to add any new benefits or restrictions via EFI bootloader. Newer hardware and W10 are attempting to lockout at the CPU level. IE win10 will only work on newer CPUs once people start to buy them. If, people buy CPU locked Windows 10 is still near future. To me it looks like another marketing/lock-in idea doomed to failure, or easily by-past once under pressure by hardware companies and IT professionals/Linux etc. like UEFI, was.

Thanks, @Ted Dog..
There is actually a noticeable diff in the boot options when you drill down into them though, namely the omission of the very option i was looking for, to disable the signed software, (as per the images on this page.
Next time i'm in my friend's neck of the woods, i'll have to check on the specifics of his OS...i just know it's retail..

PS: have you checked your PMs lately, Ted Dog?

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2016, 10:16    Post subject:  

Quote:
disable the signed software
, is not needed with FatDog64, he has a Microsoft approved SIGNED key. You are trying to solve a problem that many other Linuxes never provided for. FatDog64 allows UNCHANGED security i.e. its still secure-booted into LINUX at the begging of the process you are asked if you ACCEPT fatdogs secure key for your hardware. Once accepted, your machine will boot Fatdog64 keys ( then we can boot via grub-loop the others ) whenever it or its 'keys' are given.
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Mar 2016, 19:52    Post subject: Can No-format Install be deployed from "bios" computers  

Hi Ted Dog,

I'm don't know if this question was specifically answered elsewhere. My "iffy" memory is acting up or normal --whichever. At any rate, you may recall that I do not have a computer requiring or even enabling UEFI/EFI.

But it was recently asked on the Beginner's SubForum how to enable booting on "any" computer via a USB-Stick. "Any" would encompass both UEFI/EFI and "Bios to bootloader/OS" computers.

My guess --or iffy memory-- was that your No-format install package could be deployed (installed onto) a USB-Stick from an "bios-bootloader" computer and then used to boot on both "bios-bootloader" and UEFI/EFI computers.

But I hedged my bet, indicating the inquirer might need 2 USB-Sticks.

I'd be interested if you knew the answer which I could link to this thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=100422

Thanks,

mikesLr
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Mar 2016, 14:55    Post subject:  

Yes I have done it on purpose and by accident. Haven't found a simple way to make it predictable. My issue is I boot macs and they have a real issue with multiple bootloader mixes. However with only PCs you can setup an grub2, or isolinux bootloader. And keep first part a fat type.
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Mar 2016, 15:13    Post subject:  

Was there an altenative download location.

I cannot get the uefi.zip downloaded?

When I press download I am asked to download and
install "uefi.exe: PE32 executable (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows"
that doesn̈́'t work on linux.

How to decipher datafilehost?
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Sun 27 Mar 2016, 15:53    Post subject:  

Question Question Question that doesn't sound right its just files host may have given you an AD for download if its the free site with tons of ads.
Have linux hosts should remove the one thats free due to all the ads. Others have complained but those who hosts linux made available where with computer hardware that is still in moving boxes. Lol can't do much on cell phone.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Mar 2016, 07:14    Post subject:  

Ted Dog,
I have put your uefi.zip on my site. Hope you don't mind.
http://smokey01.com/software/utility/uefi.zip

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Mar 2016, 07:46    Post subject:  

Thanks first post updated..
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