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MU


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Dec 2006, 13:36    Post subject:  

I will update my XP-installer this weekend, then it will be very easy to set up.
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zikarus

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Dec 2006, 14:41    Post subject:  

Moin Mark,

could you please include the proposal of pakt on page 7 in the Muppy 004/005 thread (concerning the better detection of wireless keyboards and mouses) as default in your next release?

I quote pakt:

"I have suggested to Barry that the test be made on "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02" which, as far as I have been able to determine, is a more reliable way to detect a USB mouse.

If you would like to test this, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local0 and change line 191 from
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i --extended-regexp "mouse|trackball|netscroll|bt mini\-receiver"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"
to
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[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"

Don't forget to reboot after modifying the file or Puppy won't save the change to pup_save.3fs. After rebooting, your mouse (and keyboard) should be detected."

It did work and would be great to have out of the box....

BR
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Dec 2006, 14:51    Post subject:  

ok, I'll add it to 007.
Thanks for the quick-instruction.
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primalphunk

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec 2006, 09:11    Post subject:  

I have experienced a little quirky issue with icedock on both my full hd install and with the live cd. It is an intermittent issue in which sometimes the programs in icedock load normally into a single dock(slit?) and other times there is a seperate window and tab for each program launched in icedock.

The shadow option in styling blanks everything between the taskbars at the top and bottom of the screen. It leaves me with a cursor that I can still move around the screen with no ability to click on anything. I just restart x with ctrl-alt-backspace to return to a functional system. This happens with both the traditional linux hd install and the live cd.

I'm not sure if it makes any difference but I'm runny these 2 muppy installs on a 400 Mhz Celeron with 320 Meg of RAM.

peace,
James

PS - Thanks for your hard work on this puplet. Muppy is now my favorite larger puppy.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2006, 04:09    Post subject:  

Quote:
I have experienced a little quirky issue with icedock on both my full hd install and with the live cd. It is an intermittent issue in which sometimes the programs in icedock load normally into a single dock(slit?) and other times there is a seperate window and tab for each program launched in icedock.

I installed (booted from Muppy006-212 CD, saved pup_save.3fs to HD at shutdown and then used Muppy Speed-Wizard) on a PIII-500 with 128 MB RAM for a friend last week and experienced the same intermittent issue. Happened often on first powerup boot to the desktop. Apart from that it was just peachy. Then I changed the last line of /root/.icewm/startup
sleep 4 && icedock &
to
sleep 6 && icedock & ...increasing the delay before starting icedock which seemed to help although I can't prove that was it. You could even try sleep 8 if 6 doesn't help. However, on my own PC I installed Mark's great new
Arrow Icedock Wizard here as well as the service pack http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Muppy-006-212-servicepack.pup and noticed that line is removed, so if you haven't already you might try these first.

Mark and others may have more insight into this and the shadow issue. As much as I like the shadow effects of xcompmgr I know that it is experimental/buggy and I find myself turning it off more than on. It seems to work better when starting Puppy or other distros entirely in KDE instead of JWM or Icewm but everything is soooo slow in KDE with the effects enabled. Right now I prefer Muppy with Icewm and no shadows. The most reliable implementation of shadow effects I've seen is elive 17 'Revolution' which is still developmental but did run okay for me--what few times I've used it. But elive Revolution is not Puppy. It's debian based, has a much larger disc space requirement, works best as a full HD install and to me is not as snappy, flexible or user friendly as Muppy. Fast, attractive and lot's of 'bling' but more difficult to configure and get started with than Puppy.

Very Happy I think Mark, Barry and all those contributing to Puppy have done a fantastic job. I like the new kernel driver zdrv_2xx.sfs strategy and Bitsream Vera TrueType fonts in puppy, unicode/language support improvements and countless enhancements in Muppy. I've been telling my friends about it. Thank you all, especially Mark.

To me, Muppy is like an early Christmas present! Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2006, 12:54    Post subject:  

yes, the program for shadows has bugs.
On my system (Ati radeon 9250) with freedesktop-drivers it runs fine at first sight, but after a while the performance decreases.
Same on my notebook with savage-chip.

I already added some workarounds to the backgroundsetter to deal with problems regarding the background, but they might not work with every card.

If you use Rox1, you might encounter a strangely broken background with xcompmgr.
In that case try rox2, as it uses an own window to hide the root-window.
This is the same trick used by KDE.

You can switch rox with
setrox1
or
setrox2

But rox2 already is set by default in Muppy006, so if you still encounter erratic display, I cannot help.
It seems the development stopped, as now the developers of X focus on 3D-accellerated desktops with aiglx and the compiz windowmanager.
You would need xorg 7.1 and an accellerated graficscard, the list of supported cards is not so good yet.

#########################
Icedock
the new wizard starts it differently.
In Muppy, every dockapp was run by a script.
The wizard now uses the icedock-configurationfile /root/.Muppyicedock/icedock.rc instead, to load them (this file is created/modified by the wizard).
But even with this method, sometimes a dockapp is "overseen" and opens in an own window. I must restart it then.

I will add a desktop-icon in muppy 007 to restart the dock.
You can try that by dragging
/usr/local/Muppy-icedock/Muppy-icedock
on your desktop and click on it.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Dec 2006, 20:31    Post subject:  

this german thread reports a bug:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=13788

Muppy tries to get a IP by a dhcp-server (usually if you connect to a network or DSL-modem).

But in some cases, you must assign own settings with the network-wizard.

Those are not remembered after a reboot.

Solution:

delete these lines from /etc/rc.d/rc.muppy2:

Code:
rm -f /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-*.pid
dhcpcd 2>/dev/null 1>/dev/null &


I must write a bugfix that takes care of this issue.
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Dec 2006, 02:29    Post subject: Mplayer Files for Video Feeds  

Mark,

Promised you these files awhile back to get video feeds from websites working by default under Muppy and Firefox. You need to extract the attached file under the /usr/local/firefox/plugins directory. Also be sure to have all the latest Puppy Mplayer codecs installed via PSI and pupget as well as the latest verson of Firefox 2..0.0.1. Now, my only disclaimer is that this will not support video feeds from every website, but it is a step up from what Muppy offers by default. Try playing video from CNN and go to other of your favorite video sites and let me know if you experience any problems. One issue that I'm working on relates to Firefox shutting down once a CNN video has finished playing. Also trying to make this work for ALL sites, not just a select few.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Very Happy

UPDATE: When you look under Firefox' Edit--> Preferences --> Content --> File Type/Manage you should see a slew of media file type associations being displayed, which is your confirmation that your extract went well.
mplayerplugin.tar.gz
Description 
gz

 Download 
Filename  mplayerplugin.tar.gz 
Filesize  405.43 KB 
Downloaded  799 Time(s) 

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Dec 2006, 03:46    Post subject:  

zikarus wrote:
Moin Mark,

could you please include the proposal of pakt on page 7 in the Muppy 004/005 thread (concerning the better detection of wireless keyboards and mouses) as default in your next release?

I quote pakt:

"I have suggested to Barry that the test be made on "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02" which, as far as I have been able to determine, is a more reliable way to detect a USB mouse.

If you would like to test this, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local0 and change line 191 from
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i --extended-regexp "mouse|trackball|netscroll|bt mini\-receiver"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"
to
Quote:
[ ! "`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices 2>/dev/null | grep -i "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02"`" = "" ] && USBMOUSEDEV="input/mice"

Don't forget to reboot after modifying the file or Puppy won't save the change to pup_save.3fs. After rebooting, your mouse (and keyboard) should be detected."

It did work and would be great to have out of the box....

Thanks, zikarus, for pointing that out to Mark. Barry has put this (as well as "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=01" for USB keyboard detection) into 2.13b and both work well Smile

@Mark: If you copy "Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02" for the USB mouse (as well as the other line above) from this page to use in Muppy, detection will not work - this is because the forum text handler has removed a 'space' from the line Sad There must be two spaces between the 'D' and ')'.

Easiest to just copy rc.local0 directly from 2.13b into Muppy Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Dec 2006, 12:48    Post subject: Re: Mplayer Files for Video Feeds  

jam and Mark,
a few months ago I went looking for good MPlayer/Firefox compatibility. I didn't keep detailed notes, but I remember that mplayerplugin was not successful with all media typees. Also, it's very large: 1.2MB when installed.

mozplugger (an updated version of plugger) won't play all media types either, but it's configurable, and using instructions from here http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10224 I modified its configuration file to make it compatible with streaming WindowsMedia and RealVideo.
Get mozplugger dotpup here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=82705#82705
The mozplugger plugin installs to the location which suits Puppy's Seamonkey, so for Firefox you will need to shift it from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ to /usr/local/firefox/plugins/

jam wrote:
Also be sure to have all the latest Puppy Mplayer codecs installed

99% of streaming video on the web is WindowsMedia, RealVideo, or QuickTime. The MPlayer1.0RC1 version at Mark's site already includes the necessary codecs for these. So if you have this version of MPlayer, Codecpack will only add 20-30MB of files unnecessarily.

In an earlier post jam mentioned configuring Firefox to associate media file types with MPlayer. I suggest that this is not as good a solution as using a plugin, because a plugin (like mozplugger) will embed the video playback in the browser window, just as the webpage designer intended.
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Dec 2006, 14:43    Post subject:  

with mozplugger I can see nothing, there are only some symbols displayed.

Mozilla-plugin works, but:
the video-driver must be set to x11, because with xv it crashes.
Seamonkey runs unstable, so it is important to put it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, not in /root/.mozilla/plugins.

It seems, Firefox 2.0.0.1 is required to run stable.

I made a dotpup, that replaces Muppys firefox with all these changes.
It will not use the plugin for .mpg or .wmv, as I personally prefer to see them in an external mplayer (looping fullscreen).
But now this plugin enables you to watch streaming videos at cnn.com and bbc.com.

Requires approx. 20 MB free diskspace.

http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Muppy-006-212-servicepack-firefox-upgrade.pup (9 MB)

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Dec 2006, 02:23    Post subject: Plugin Provided  

Tempestuous,

The attachment I provided contains the version of the Mplayer plugin which runs the streaming video right from within the browser window and not via the Mplayer app outside the browser. I found I had to add the file associations and necessary codecs to get the plugin to work properly and supporting Windows/Real/Quicktime and other media types you mentioned. This may not be the best solution in the long run, but it works for now and at the very least provides some basic streaming support for some websites. One issue that causes Firefox to crash involved Flash-based sites that offer video streaming. Still trying to figure those out.

Mark: Forgot to mention that small detail regarding the use of the X11 driver! Good catch! Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Dec 2006, 06:29    Post subject:  

It seems there is no straightforward solution!

tempestuous wrote:
99% of streaming video on the web is WindowsMedia, RealVideo, or QuickTime.

I'm wrong about this. Well, correct 12 months ago, but now I see there's a recent trend towards FlashVideo (.flv).
And I see here that people are trying to play FlashVideo with the FlashPlayer9 beta in Puppy http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11956

MPlayer supports FlashVideo with its ffmpeg library, but I suppose getting it to play FlashVideo from a web browser will take some tweaking of the various MPlayer plugins.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Dec 2006, 16:41    Post subject:  

today i was trying to use my psi to add some programs
and seems it doesn't work again
it tried to connect to grafpup, but can't and then i get an empty list..
connects to all the other mirrors but still cannot get a list.
i wonder what happened..

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Dec 2006, 17:34    Post subject:  

it seems grafpup is down.
I can press the keys "CTRL C" to interrupt trying to get the list from grafpup, then all others are downloaded and displayed.

You also might click on the "mirror" button, and revove grafpup there after the current mirrorlist was downloaded.

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