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PostPosted: Mon 20 Apr 2015, 16:08    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.

Thanks for the information about wheezy-backports.
The package linux-compiler-gcc-4.6 is available only from wheezy-backports I think and the standard apt-get install package-name command works in this case.

I also think it is better to install latest kernel 3.16 available from backports (or to use DD-3.16 kernel version available for download from Kazzas site).

The problem is we have separate kernel modules for 3.12 and 3.14 official Debian kernels and the headers and kbuild packages for them are not available in backports anymore. The only way I can find them is using snapshot repository. If we can not provide linix-headers for separate kernel medules there is no much use to keep them for download.

Fred, do you know some special command to search, download and install linux-headers for kernel 3.14 from backports without using snapshot repository setup?

About make-new-initrd I think only you and me use it sometimes and we both can edit initrd without using the script. I see no reason to update or mod make-new-initrd as deb package at this point. It is better to keep it as special hidden script if we do not want to explain again and again how to use it properly.

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Apr 2015, 17:48    Post subject: Xfe with better ctrl c/v and file panels can be stacked  

Just a quick aside maybe worthy of note:
Quote:

X File Explorer (Xfe)

11/01/2015 - Version 1.40 released

This release is a major feature release, including:

natural sorting in file lists (thus file name '10-foo' comes after file name '2-foo'),
file comparison (through an external tool that can be selected in the Preferences dialog),
Ctrl-C / Ctrl-V on a file 'foo' creates the file 'foo (copy)'. Another Ctrl-C / Ctrl-V creates the file 'foo (copy 2)', etc.,
file panels can now be stacked vertically or horizontally,
the XFileView (xfv) application has been removed and replaced with XFileWrite in read-only mode (xfw -r)
new file types added to the global xferc configuration file are now automatically copied to the local xferc configuration file
tons of fixed bugs and small improvements (see ChangeLog),
german, czech, brazilian portuguese, greek and french translation updates.

Many translations still need to be updated! Please send me your po files.


But seems to need newer libc for Wheezy, which may be problematic:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=118262

EDIT: From above link I found:

http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=37022

and installed newer libc using their experimental rep:

deb http://main.mepis-deb.org/mepiscr/experimental/ experimental test

Just did it as a test. Probably breaks other things but the new xfe opened fine after that. I don't know enough about such matters to keep the result safely but interesting to play with. I presume Jessie or Sid xfe version is newer one?

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2015, 03:49    Post subject:  

Hi, William.

Xfe version in SID and Jessie repository is still 1.37. I'm sure it will be upgraded in time.
Tested few months ago and I see no difference running Xfe 1.40 or 1.37 for the usual things I do. I see no point to replace version 1.37 for Sid since it is not in Sid repository yet.

I'm sure you know what I think about upgrading libc6 in Wheezy Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2015, 11:59    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,
Quote:
Thanks for the information about wheezy-backports.
The package linux-compiler-gcc-4.6 is available only from wheezy-backports I think and the standard apt-get install package-name command works in this case.

I think this should be addressed to anikin Wink
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I also think it is better to install latest kernel 3.16 available from backports (or to use DD-3.16 kernel version available for download from Kazzas site).

I think it would be good then to provide latest backports kernel (as squashfs) incuding the initrd files on the site, just like you did with e.g. 026-kernel-3.14-Pae.tar.gz.
Quote:
If we can not provide linix-headers for separate kernel medules there is no much use to keep them for download.

Yes, I agree.
Quote:
Fred, do you know some special command to search, download and install linux-headers for kernel 3.14 from backports without using snapshot repository setup?

No, I only know setup snapshot repository from sources.list or download from e.g. here:
http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20140818T040519Z/pool/main/l/linux/

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2015, 13:33    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
...I think this should be addressed to anikin Wink
Fred
Hi Toni, Fred et al,

I understand your irony regarding my post on backports Smile In a sense, that was oversimplification for little users like myself. Scratch deeper and you'll see, that big Debian guys use backports in conjunction with pinning. For little guys pinning is a black art. I'm only starting to approach it. Among other things, I have a secret play toy. It's called Tails and is based on Wheezy and heavily relies on backports. It gives a perfect opportunity to learn more about backports+pinning in a practical way - just have a look at its apt directory. See the attached image and tails' pinning preferences for backports (remove fake gz).
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2015, 14:32    Post subject:  

Hi Anikin,
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I understand your irony regarding my post on backports Smile In a sense

No, no, not meant as irony, just that Toni seemed to reply on something I wrote, but you wrote it, nothing else.
Interesting, your setup, BTW., I'll look at it later.

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I'm only starting to approach it

I don't think so Smile
Very advanced, all works OK and without breaking things?, lots of different Debian repositories enabled.

Edit2: Did a little searching and I see now that "Tails" is an OS, from which you probably got this setup for pinning (sorry, I should have read better before what you wrote about it)

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PostPosted: Tue 21 Apr 2015, 15:56    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.
fredx181 wrote:
I think this should be addressed to anikin Wink

Yes, sorry about that.
Quote:
I think it would be good then to provide latest backports kernel (as squashfs) incuding the initrd files on the site, just like you did with e.g. 026-kernel-3.14-Pae.tar.gz.

Why to make separate module since we have latest DD-Wheezy with 3.16-pae as default:
http://kazzascorner.com.au/saintless/DebianDog/DebianDog-Wheezy/DebianDog-Wheezy-jwm_icewm-3.16.0-4-686-pae.iso
http://kazzascorner.com.au/saintless/DebianDog/DebianDog-Wheezy/DebianDog-Wheezy-openbox-3.16.0-4-686-pae.iso
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Quote:
If we can not provide linix-headers for separate kernel medules there is no much use to keep them for download.

Yes, I agree.

But we have the headers now and at least 3.14-pae should be available (even just because we have instruction post from Keisha how to use it).

Quote:
No, I only know setup snapshot repository from sources.list or download from e.g. here:
http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20140818T040519Z/pool/main/l/linux/

Thanks, this link will save me some time in the future.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr 2015, 14:01    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,
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Why to make separate module since we have latest DD-Wheezy with 3.16-pae as default:
http://kazzascorner.com.au/saintless/DebianDog/DebianDog-Wheezy/DebianDog-Wheezy-jwm_icewm-3.16.0-4-686-pae.iso
http://kazzascorner.com.au/saintless/DebianDog/DebianDog-Wheezy/DebianDog-Wheezy-openbox-3.16.0-4-686-pae.iso

Yes, of course, I didn't think of it because I couldn't run it on my computer (processor not supporting pae).
I've read about using "forcepae" on the kernel boot command line, but I always assumed it needs a special patched kernel to be able to use it.
Surprisingly, It appears to be working with 3.16.0-4-686-pae, added "forcepae" and I can boot it now Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Apr 2015, 16:27    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Surprisingly, It appears to be working with 3.16.0-4-686-pae, added "forcepae" and I can boot it now Smile

Nice Wink
If you find something wrong with OpenBox version post what needs changes. I didn't test much 3.16 kernel versions but I hope all works well.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2015, 09:39    Post subject: hidden file
Subject description: on debian dog OS
 

I keep seeing the following type of hidden files when using Debian Dog, e.g....

.fuse_hidden0000006500000005

Is anyone familiar with this type of file? Thank You.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2015, 13:26    Post subject:  

Hi Toni, All,

For new YouTube-Get v2 version 0.1.4, see here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=841885#841885
In previous versions the search function is broken caused by a recent YouTube upgrade.

Toni, I wouldn't mind if you remove all previous YouTube-Get v2 versions from smokey01.com and kazzascorner, as this latest version is the only one that works properly with search, I removed them from my google-drive anyway.
The earlier "youtube-get" (without youtube-dl and python dependency) is not affected by this YouTube upgrade (as it has no search function).

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2015, 15:51    Post subject: Re: hidden file
Subject description: on debian dog OS
 

yr1945 wrote:
I keep seeing the following type of hidden files when using Debian Dog, e.g....

.fuse_hidden0000006500000005

Is anyone familiar with this type of file? Thank You.

Hi, where is this hidden file created? Inside /root or other place? I will try to see why and when it appears.

Edit: Most probably this will explain how this .fuse_hiddedn000... file is created:
http://osdir.com/ml/file-systems.fuse.devel/2005-12/msg00012.html

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2015, 15:52    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
For new YouTube-Get v2 version 0.1.4, see here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=841885#841885
In previous versions the search function is broken caused by a recent YouTube upgrade.

Thanks, Fred!
I will have some more time tomorrow to do the changes in the repository and post them here.

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2015, 18:16    Post subject: hidden file  

Thank you very much for answering my question. Below is another explanation from the Ubuntu forum... Anyway, I "sort of" understand why the file exists...

http://askubuntu.com/questions/493198/what-is-a-fuse-hidden-file-and-why-do-they-exist

PS: Thanks for DebianDog... You guys are "fantastic" developers (with an extremely high energy level)...
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Apr 2015, 02:54    Post subject:  

Hi Toni, Fred et al,

This might be of interest to DD users:
Quote:
Will Debian Wheezy (stable) automatically upgrade to Jessie once Jessie becomes the stable release?
I am on Debian Wheezy (stable) and routinely update my system via the basic:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
In the future, once Jessie becomes the stable release, I wonder whether Wheezy will automagically become Jessie if I keep doing dist-upgrade, or not.
Read more ==>
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/190088/will-debian-wheezy-stable-automatically-upgrade-to-jessie-once-jessie-becomes

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