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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 03:33    Post subject:  

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You can play till you find one that you like. I used 310 and 100

I see.
You take from one to give to the other.
Not really an easy solution.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 03:42    Post subject:  

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we concluded that asking for repository to search is pointless

Not if all you wanted to search is just Puppy repositories.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 03:58    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
Let me clear - It is not up to me how this gui ends.
But it's up to me if I want to put my effort into something that change the main ideas that I believe in when it comes to user interfaces.

This is very understandable but I believe that you lost interest in the project when the ui_Classic and configuration options were added, which do not really affect any of the said principles in the main GUI... Confused

The issues about the description and the uninstall have come up again, but you have/had moved on, so I became the default "designer"... You are welcome to "claim" the job back. Just add the code in the repo...

As I said before I (we?) do that for fun. If is not fun then we better move on. The code is out. Other can take over...

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 04:09    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
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we concluded that asking for repository to search is pointless

Not if all you wanted to search is just Puppy repositories.

Why would you want that? You want to find a program that you need or to search what package is available in the puppy repo? If is the second look at the ibiblio "Packages..." page. If you do not want to install non-puppy packages, ignore them after you see the repo in the "To be installed" window.

Minimising popups and user input in achieving the main PPM goal (install the program you need) is the idea behind the whole project. Alternatively use the "Classic" UI.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 04:48    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
This is very understandable but I believe that you lost interest in the project when the ui_Classic and configuration options were added, which do not really affect any of the said principles in the main GUI... Confused
There exist other guidelines than the 3 mentioned in my previous post...
But now we are arguing for the argue itself... and that is counterproductive.

You have done some great work - be proud Cool

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 05:21    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
The ziggy gui uses one of the most common of all interface setups with menu and toolbar at top, a sidebar and the working area as the biggest.
The ziggy (and the classic) gui do not use a menu at top. All I can see is a toolbar. This brings up the idea to add a menu. I suggest to put the stuff from the left sidebar into menus. Also access to help and configuration could move into menus. This would free up precious horizontal space and would also turn the current 3-pane design into a simpler 2-pane design, which then would make the process flow much clearer: Basic setting at the very top (=menu), select packages from the list below, selected items accumulate in a list below and at the end, bottom right corner, an install button to finish the process.

As for the uninstall list I like bigpups window proposal, which would not require any reserved space in the main window.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 05:36    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
There exist other guidelines than the 3 mentioned in my previous post...

This must be the problem then...

@persons suggesting GUI changes: I do not intend to (can not really) do any major GUI changes, so I'll only consider GUI suggestions if they are followed by the relevant code (in a patch or a pull request form).
You can "pester" Sigmund or any other persons with commit rights in woof-CE for those if you want.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 05:57    Post subject:  

Shocked Damn me! I just wanted to offer an apparently easy and innocent option, not to be disrespectful of zigbert's work and less to fire up a developers' war... Embarassed

I really hope that this will not affect the development of the PPM. This is one of the key pieces of Puppy, and it needs love, not war. And the work you two made is a really big step forwards.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 08:08    Post subject:  

buti wrote:
Shocked Damn me! I just wanted to offer an apparently easy and innocent option, not to be disrespectful of zigbert's work and less to fire up a developers' war... Embarassed

I really hope that this will not affect the development of the PPM. This is one of the key pieces of Puppy, and it needs love, not war. And the work you two made is a really big step forwards.

Don't wary. PPM is pretty much done as far as I am concerned and is not the first time with Zigbert either.
I may come back to PPM if I ever want to delve into gtkdialog, but right now I do not feel like taking hours to do things that a trained person needs 2 minutes to do. As I said before, it must be fun and right now is not.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 09:38    Post subject:  

It is an excellent development from you and zigbert.

Each member has his own agenda/opinion. It would be wonderful if, like, nicons, the gui could at the click of a button cycle through alternative gui arrangements.

Maybe you should not have asked for final requests/opinions.
To conclude, as you, Mavrothal, have overseen the work I suggest you release the final version the way you like it. Because that's what I do, and it is the reward for doing the work. You have already released patches for either version anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 10:29    Post subject:  

Please, before releasing the last version, check this thread and jacksfr's answer !

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=826019#826019

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 10:59    Post subject:  

totolanio wrote:
Please, before releasing the last version, check this thread and jacksfr's answer !

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=826019#826019


Oh yeh. I forgot about this when zigbert stripped all the configuration options. The infrastructure is still in installpkg.sh. I just need to reinstate the configuration option.
We'll do.

Latter: Done

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 11:56    Post subject:  

Lol yeah but will you compile it ? :p
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 12:27    Post subject:  

totolanio wrote:
Lol yeah but will you compile it ? :p

There is noting to compile.
Go to the github page,
Click on the "Download ZIP" button on the low right
Extract the zip file
Open the ppm_auto folder
Click on the make_pet.sh file
Find your pet just outside the ppm_auto folder.
Install the pet.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Feb 2015, 15:11    Post subject:  

OK folks, this is it.
Version 1.9 of the new PPM is out. Check the options (pic) Wink
here is the change log since 1.8
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9a193ac - Add tall and wide ui_Ziggy option. Version 1.9
d42cd8d - Reinstate the install to tempfs option
cb9c2d4 - Trigger pup_event if pup_event_sizefreem is not found
e3259d0 - Add a message for the pup_event error
75c73ff - Make sure we have a package selected before inactivating
b9d9b01 - Always report at the end. Looks more stable
0790693 - Fix step-by-step removal. Remove DL_PATH if folder missing
bbdcd1f - Fix reporting for downloaded packages


The only thing that I would love if someone does is to change the label and/or the icon of the "Uninstall" button to something indicative of its ability to close the uninstall window when is open (something line "Close Uninstall" Laughing ).
Apparently this is a hassle with the current implementation as it needs custom svg icons that should integrate the label.

So, unless someone comes up with a patch for the Uninstall button no feature changes from now on. Only bug fixes.
Matters of taste ie "I would rather have this than that", "I find this strange" "would be nice if it was also doing this" etc, are not bugs.

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