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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2014, 10:04    Post subject: Re: yad-splash (similar to gtkdialog-splash)  

Hi, Fred.
fredx181 wrote:
Here's a script using yad that does a similar thing as gtkdialog-splash. (It's much more simple though)

Added in next version changes post. I guess you are going to use it for yad scripts in the future.
If you like to have new scripts containing yad-splash compatible with different Debian I can make deb package (location /usr/local/bin/yad-splash) and add yad as dependency inside control.

Some changes in the testing repository:

Terry's mk-jwm.menu added as mkjwmmenu_1.0.0-1_i386.deb containing Menu-Puppy and Menu-Debian setup.
MJWM added as /mjwm_4.0.0-1_i386.deb with dependency mkjwmmenu (because it will use auto-update menus scripts from there).
Both packages work with standard Debian if JWM is started. Menu-Debian and Menu-MJWM work with dash. Only Menu-Puppy (mk-jwm.menu) needs bash reconfiguration.

Added extra category in some packages desktop file to make them appear in the right place for menu-MJWM.

x11-xserver-utils and xdm packages - dependency cpp was removed from both. I don't like to keep it removed since we are making DebianDog packages compatible with standard Debian. Now cpp is added as Recommends: in control and will not be installed in DebianDog. But cpp will be installed in standard Debian where recommended packages are auto-installed. This means if both packages are upgraded in standard Debian cpp will be kept as it should without creating troubles.

RemasterCow with .wh support needs a button or other way to provide information explaining properly what whitout function means and how to use it properly (only with enabled dpkg registration).

We need to decide what to do with (15. export LC_ALL=C) from next version changes post. Just post with information about this problem or to add it in all scripts in the future?

But all this can wait till next year Smile

Edit: BTW found one situation when apt2sfs will fail creating broken module. Using with save file if there is no space left the instalation process fails (reading the messages in terminal), but apt2sfs continue with copying in work folder, uninstalling packages and creating new module. This may happen often for someone using small save file like me (300 - 1000Mb).
I think dpkg checks if there is enough free space only for downloading the packages and not if there is enough space to extract them after that.
Maybe we can add this information in apt2sfs window with bold or red text?

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2014, 15:02    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

Quote:
Added in next version changes post. I guess you are going to use it for yad scripts in the future.
If you like to have new scripts containing yad-splash compatible with different Debian I can make deb package (location /usr/local/bin/yad-splash) and add yad as dependency inside control.


Yes, that would be good, it may be useful sometimes for new scripts.

Quote:
Some changes in the testing repository:
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Seems like you made improvement!

Quote:
RemasterCow with .wh support needs a button or other way to provide information explaining properly what whitout function means and how to use it properly (only with enabled dpkg registration).


Ok, I recently found out that yad supports also a "normal" button (instead of the sort of hidden button used in Remastercow for showing info about dpkg registration)

Two ways:
Create file with the info inside (and make it read-only), then it could be like this with added "Information" button to Remastercow:
(as example used /opt/docs/welcome using leafpad, can be changed maybe to 'default_editor')
Code:
yad --title "Info-button-example" --borders 5 --text "Example for button opening text file for info" --button "gtk-info:leafpad /opt/docs/welcome" --button "gtk-quit:1" --button "gtk-ok:0"

Or like this using yad text-info
Code:
yad --title "Info-button-example" --borders 5 --text "Example for button showing info." --button "gtk-info:sh -c "'"'"echo -e 'Information... \nMore information on new line. \nEven more information on new line' | yad --title "Information" --margins 5 --text-info --width 500 --height 400 --wrap"'"'"" --button "gtk-cancel:1" --button "gtk-ok:0"

You choose!
If you prefer the latter you could pass me the text (next year Smile ) and I'll add it to the script.
Same thing for apt2sfs maybe?

Edit:
Quote:
We need to decide what to do with (15. export LC_ALL=C) from next version changes post. Just post with information about this problem or to add it in all scripts in the future?

Not add it to all scripts in the future, only when needed.
It's only a problem for some scripts, specially the ones with some grep commandline that checks for output text (which isn't always english when locale has been changed)
I will test more scripts for any issues.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec 2014, 03:05    Post subject:  

Thanks, Fred!
I will test both button options but for RemasterCow I think it is best to have the same as for dpkg registration.
Button with title "Information" could be easy ignored. I'm testing button just below whiteout check box with title "Click here for more info about whiteout files". I will upload it after the holidays for final check and decision from you.

About apt2sfs I need some more time to test how dpkg checks for free space before installing packages. It is more likely the checking is for free space to extract the packages but it doesn't calculate inside the space needed for downloaded deb files.
The latest apt2sfs has disadvantage in such situation compared to the older apt2sfs. Even if the user can see the error messages for not enough space in terminal window we need to make sure apt2sfs will not be closed without restoring status file. The information must be visible on first run at least and well explained. Maybe we can use first time run message that apt2sfs already has to recommend clicking the "Information" button before using the program. We will discuss this when I have something for testing.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec 2014, 16:46    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

Quote:
About apt2sfs I need some more time to test how dpkg checks for free space before installing packages. It is more likely the checking is for free space to extract the packages but it doesn't calculate inside the space needed for downloaded deb files.
The latest apt2sfs has disadvantage in such situation compared to the older apt2sfs. Even if the user can see the error messages for not enough space in terminal window we need to make sure apt2sfs will not be closed without restoring status file. The information must be visible on first run at least and well explained. Maybe we can use first time run message that apt2sfs already has to recommend clicking the "Information" button before using the program. We will discuss this when I have something for testing.


Thanks for noticing this issue with apt2sfs.
I decided the best to do is improve error checking for apt2sfs.
I think one of the most important things for a script is error checking (and btw, one of the most difficult things) so that the user isn't confronted with any surprises.

It checks now for any dpkg error (on line 388-397 that depends on added lines 336-339) and if there is, it shows clear message with last log lines in bold (from /tmp/aptout) and in red font a message informing about "No space left on device" and the possible reason (to small savefile or not enough RAM)
In this error case the module will not be created and the system will be restored.
(I think no info button will be needed this way)

Test it whenever you like, no hurry at all.

Attached new apt2sfs.tar.gz (finished it just before Christmas Smile )

Btw, for me Christmas doesn't mean much to me (I'm not religious), I have dinner appointment tomorrow and that's it, live goes on as usual except that around me some things are stopped, so I'm sort of forced to have holiday, which is Ok Smile .

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Dec 2014, 03:24    Post subject:  

Much better this way, Fred, thank you!



In next version changes post apt2sfs linked to this new version.

Edit: And testing RemasterCow with whiteout files info button. Still not sure if it is clearly explained.

Edit2: Fred, for next update remove /opt/bin/cow-nosave, cow-save-part, cow-save-file. I will add it to the changes post. After we use as default your cowsave the old scripts could become dangerous if started by accident. They depend on the boot method to work properly.

Edit3: Flashplayerchoice does not work for me with yad-gsu (timeout or notimeout), Fred. Tested only as user in Jwm version but I think it will be good to include gsu-xterm in gsu.deb and use it in such situations. I will test later how to fix flashplayerchoice or the menu files to work with yad-gsu. We will need much testing before next update.

Edit4: Same with Change frisbee with sns script. Doesn't work with gsu-yad. I can include gsu-xterm in gsu-deb and change the lines for scripts with this problem to gsu-xterm. But this will break the same scripts after installing the gsu.deb on older DD version. This gsu change gets too complicated and I'm sure I will miss something that does not work after changing gsu-xterm in Jwm version.
What do you think, Fred? Any idea how to keep compatibility with old DD versions and using gsu-yad. I don't like the idea to edit the scripts for yad-gsu because for older DD versions will need reinstalling/replacing all moded to work with gsu-yad scripts after installing gsu.deb. And installing new gsu.deb will be needed to make shutdown without password work on old DD. I think the safe way is to include in gsu.deb gsu-xterm as default /opt/bin/gsu.

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Dec 2014, 18:38    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

Quote:
Much better this way, Fred, thank you!


Glad you like new apt2sfs error checking solution!

Quote:
Edit: And testing RemasterCow with whiteout files info button. Still not sure if it is clearly explained.

Although it's hard to imagine to know nothing about it, I think it's very well explained. Thanks!

Quote:
Edit2: Fred, for next update remove /opt/bin/cow-nosave, cow-save-part, cow-save-file.

Yes, good decision.

Quote:
Edit3: Flashplayerchoice does not work for me with yad-gsu (timeout or notimeout),
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Edit4
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I think the safe way is to include in gsu.deb gsu-xterm as default /opt/bin/gsu.


I would agree if there isn't a simple solution.
This is about terminal-scripts only I think, and there are just a few, why not edit them?
For example for flashplayerchoice there are 2 ways AFAIK:
- Edit Exec= line in /usr/share/applications/flashplayerchoice.desktop to:
Code:
Exec=gsu xterm -e /opt/bin/flashplayerchoice

Then delete gsu line in /opt/bin/flashplayerchoice?
or:
- Change gsu line in flashplayerchoice script (or any other terminal script) to;
Code:
[ "`whoami`" != "root" ] && exec gsu xterm -e ${0}

Then Exec= line in /usr/share/applications/flashplayerchoice.desktop could be without xterm:
Code:
Exec=/opt/bin/flashplayerchoice


I think the last option is best (in case flashplayerchoice is run from terminal)

Edit:
Quote:
I don't like the idea to edit the scripts for yad-gsu because for older DD versions will need reinstalling/replacing all moded to work with gsu-yad scripts after installing gsu.deb.

Sorry, didn't read above well enough about compatibility with older versions, well... I don't know yet what's good solution.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2014, 02:48    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
I would agree if there isn't a simple solution.
This is about terminal-scripts only I think, and there are just a few, why not edit them?
For example for flashplayerchoice there are 2 ways AFAIK:
- Edit Exec= line in /usr/share/applications/flashplayerchoice.desktop to:
Code:
Exec=gsu xterm -e /opt/bin/flashplayerchoice

Then delete gsu line in /opt/bin/flashplayerchoice?
or:
- Change gsu line in flashplayerchoice script (or any other terminal script) to;
Code:
[ "`whoami`" != "root" ] && exec gsu xterm -e ${0}

Then Exec= line in /usr/share/applications/flashplayerchoice.desktop could be without xterm:
Code:
Exec=/opt/bin/flashplayerchoice


I think the last option is best (in case flashplayerchoice is run from terminal)

Edit:
Quote:
I don't like the idea to edit the scripts for yad-gsu because for older DD versions will need reinstalling/replacing all moded to work with gsu-yad scripts after installing gsu.deb.

Sorry, didn't read above well enough about compatibility with older versions, well... I don't know yet what's good solution.

Hi, Fred.

Sorry I didn't explain this well enough. Your suggestion for editing scripts in desktop file or inside the script is fine. We can do it this way.

What I mean is to include in gsu.deb - gsu-xterm, gsu-timeout, gsu-notimeout and link gsu pointing by default to gsu-xterm.
Then if gsu.deb is installed on old DD version it will not break the existing scripts that depend on gsu-xterm.
And for next update we will install the same gsu.deb but changing manually gsu link to point gsu-notimeout and editing scripts like flashplayerchoice.
Then we get yad-gsu for new version and we keep compatibility with old DD versions after installing new gsu.deb because it will use gsu-xterm by default. And if gsu.deb is reinstalled on next DD update from the user it will still work the same way for all scripts with gsu-xterm and gsu link can be easy changed to gsu-notimeout or gsu-timeout. The point is gsu-xterm as default gsu in deb package will be universal for all DD versions and for different Debian and will not break existing scripts in old DD.

Edit: If you like I can test some way to check in postinst script for DD version and if the new one is found then gsu link will be changed to point gsu-notimeout. Maybe if we add special file in next DD updates it can be used from postinst script to change the gsu link for new DD versions.

Edit2: For Jwm version I will need to combine both solutions. Unfortunately mk-jwm.menu and mjwm do not read Terminal=true/false in desktop files. If "xterm -e" is missing, then the program does not start from menu as root. Debian menu does not have this problem. Setting up in /usr/share/menu needs=text/x11 works to start terminal without having "xterm -e". move-in-crypt for example needs "xterm -e" in desktop file for root and at the same time gsu line changed to "exec gsu xterm -e" for user.

Edit3: Fred, if you agree about gsu deb suggestion here is testing package:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Packages/Testing/tmp/gsu_1.0.1_i386.deb
gsu is link to gsu-xterm by default. If /opt/docs/debdognew file is found then gsu will be linked to gsu-notimeout.
Attached debdognew in zip archive. Extract it in /opt/docs

Edit:4: Can you please check out also this obshutdown-porteuswheezy_0.1.1-1_i386.deb, Fred? I tried to make it work out of the box for OpenBox version. For Jwm it will need only small change for Exit X and editing the entry in Jwm and Icewm configuration files, but I keep the changes in 021-apps-porteus anyway. If it works as it is for you I will leave it as official package. The name is obshutdown-porteuswheezy and it is better to keep it, because this is the name in status file in older DD versions.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2014, 16:35    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

Quote:
What I mean is to include in gsu.deb - gsu-xterm, gsu-timeout, gsu-notimeout and link gsu pointing by default to gsu-xterm.
.....
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I see now, did misunderstand.

Quote:
Edit3: Fred, if you agree about gsu deb suggestion here is testing package:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Packages/Testing/tmp/gsu_1.0.1_i386.deb

Yes, Ok for me and it works, very smart way!

Quote:
Edit:4: Can you please check out also this obshutdown-porteuswheezy_0.1.1-1_i386.deb, Fred?

I will check later.
Yes better keep it same name.

A wild experiment Smile :
I stripped down gksu package a lot (uncompressed 813K)
(Added dependency libraries and files to it)
Named it gsu so it will replace existing gsu package and /opt/bin/gsu script which executes gksu sudo-mode.
Tested only on Openbox version with this 'sudo-mode', works well and no errors are shown in terminal (using plain gksu displays a warning, btw).
It needs more work though to make it not conflict with other packages.
Just for testing another small graphical sudo choice besides gsu-yad.
I like it, if you do also I will put more effort in this to make it compatible with DD and standard Debian.
(don't know how yet, perhaps use /opt/lib or/and add some more dependencies than it is now in control file.)

gsu_2.0.2-6_i386.deb:
https://googledrive.com/host/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5bUsxVnhCTkhoZDA/Packages/gsu_2.0.2-6_i386.deb

Fred

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2014, 16:35    Post subject:  

Double post accidentally, removed.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Dec 2014, 17:38    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
A wild experiment Smile :
I stripped down gksu package a lot (uncompressed 813K)
(Added dependency libraries and files to it)
Named it gsu so it will replace existing gsu package and /opt/bin/gsu script which executes gksu sudo-mode.
Tested only on Openbox version with this 'sudo-mode', works well and no errors are shown in terminal (using plain gksu displays a warning, btw).
It needs more work though to make it not conflict with other packages.
Just for testing another small graphical sudo choice besides gsu-yad.
I like it, if you do also I will put more effort in this to make it compatible with DD and standard Debian.
(don't know how yet, perhaps use /opt/lib or/and add some more dependencies than it is now in control file.)

gsu_2.0.2-6_i386.deb:
https://googledrive.com/host/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5bUsxVnhCTkhoZDA/Packages/gsu_2.0.2-6_i386.deb

Fred

Hi, Fred.
Thanks, it works form quick testing in Jwm version but I like yad-gsu-notimeout more. I guess the libs are official wheezy and some will stay hidden for dpkg + the complications to prevent conflicts with official gksu files make gsu-yad better choice for DebianDog in my opinion.
If you still like to work on this and include it as extra package I suggest (if it is possible) to keep all dependencies included inside control by moving all you stripped down from Depends: to Recommends: This is what I did atlast with xdm and x11-xserver-utils and makes the packages small for DebianDog and basicly without changes for standard Debian, because reocommended packages are auto-installed.

BTW the testing I made is comparing all gsu packages (all ktsuss, all gsu versions, gsudo and this last gksu from you, su-to-root and sudo) with RemasterCow from user account in Jwm version. I have RemasterCow and RemasterDog and PureFtpd started with /opt/bin/gksu-root which starts /usr/bin/ktsuss.
The result is only ktsuss does the cleaning from $HOME/.local properly. In openBox and Jwm ktsuss is different but works the same way.
RemasterCow started with any other script (gsu, gksu, /opt/bin/ktsuss2, gsudo, sudo, su-to-root) from user account Puppy cleans files in /root/.local instead $HOME/.local (or /home/puppy/,local).
Haven't tested this in OpenBox version so it may be different there. I remember I had some PATH problem for su-to-root after installing xdm in Jwm version and maybe this is the reason but I will keep ktsuss for RemasterCow, RemasterDog and PureFtpd for user account.

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Dec 2014, 07:10    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

Quote:
Thanks, it works form quick testing in Jwm version but I like yad-gsu-notimeout more. I guess the libs are official wheezy and some will stay hidden for dpkg + the complications to prevent conflicts with official gksu files make gsu-yad better choice for DebianDog in my opinion.
.....

Yes, ok, I'll see later if I perhaps make extra package from it (indeed it won't be easy at all).


Quote:
I have RemasterCow and RemasterDog and PureFtpd started with /opt/bin/gksu-root which starts /usr/bin/ktsuss.


I'll do it the same in OpenBox version then. (noticed now you have remastercow-start etc.. in Jwm version)
Btw, I guess you know but FYI: the HOME env in gsu-yad can be easily changed to the user HOME by adding the -E option to the sudo commands.

Here's a script that checks if you are running out of space.
I think it can be useful addition to DD.
Copied info from top of script:

Code:
# Shows gtkdialog-splash red colored warning in that case, it disappears only when space left has been increased again (displays for a short time a green colored message then)
# When space left is low again, it displays again the warning... and so on...
# Needs to run constantly in the background (best to be started at login e.g. put it in  ~/Startup)

# Set the variable for number of MB space left, there'll be warning if it's less (what is a good amount?)
MBLEFT=15


As you can see above the variable for crossing the line can be changed e.g. MBLEFT=10 and the warning will show only when free space is below 10M.
I found out by testing btw that when free space gets 0, dpkg will be broken (which shouldn't happen IMHO)
Did some attempts to make it run as a daemon by using initscript or from /etc/profile.d but it didn't work out well.
Putting it in ~/Startup works fine.

Any suggestions for improvement are welcome.

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Dec 2014, 10:42    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

I made some changes to obshutdown-porteuswheezy_0.1.1-1_i386.deb
- Included the new save2flash
- new snapmergepuppy with a small fix and cleaned it up (there was a lot of unneeded puppy-only stuff inside)
- added dependencies yad and gsu | gksu in control file
- removed Conflicts and Replaces lines for xfce4-session in control file (I think it's solved already by changing name to logout.desktop in /usr/share/applications

I might be wrong about something, just tell me then.

Can you put new save2flash and snapmergepuppy also in 021-apps-porteus.squashfs?

https://googledrive.com/host/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5bUsxVnhCTkhoZDA/Packages/obshutdown-porteuswheezy_0.1.1-1_i386.deb

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Dec 2014, 11:39    Post subject:  

Hi, Fred.
fredx181 wrote:
I'll do it the same in OpenBox version then. (noticed now you have remastercow-start etc.. in Jwm version)
Btw, I guess you know but FYI: the HOME env in gsu-yad can be easily changed to the user HOME by adding the -E option to the sudo commands.

Thanks, I read this in sudo man page but for RemasterCow and RemasterDog I feel like root password is better solution for miltiuser system. Anyway to use "sudo -E" we have to make extra script to start this command instead /opt/bin/gsu-root and we have too many gsu alternatives already.

Quote:
Here's a script that checks if you are running out of space.
I think it can be useful addition to DD.

Great, thank you! Tested with encrypted persistence save file (live-boot-3) and works for user and root. Does it work the same for save partition and save folder? I will test it later. My suggestion is to add it for root, puppy and in /etc/skel/Startup and make the warning appear for less than 30 Mb. Installing packages or even Firefox cache can use 15Mb in no time while reading the warning.

Quote:
I made some changes to obshutdown-porteuswheezy_0.1.1-1_i386.deb

Seems fine to me. Uploaded with some other packages in the testing repository. If we do not find something wrong later the packages here are ready for reinstalling:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Packages/Testing/tmp/
I made also IceWM control center reinstallable + adding the dependencies as deb packages insted libs in /opt/lib. Reinstalling the package will find the dependencies and replace /opt/bin files for icecc with symlinks.

Quote:
Can you put new save2flash and snapmergepuppy also in 021-apps-porteus.squashfs?

Yes, I will add the information in next version changes post also.

Edit: If you prefer sudo -E for RemasterCow, RemasterDog and PureFtpd I do not mind. We can make one more extra script for sudo -E command.

Edit2: BTW seems by accident in DebianDog-Squeeze I made this console-setup on the picture. See user name, password and Ctrl+Alt+F1 collor. I will try to reproduce it in Jwm-Wheezy. If you like to do the same I will post "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" steps.




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PostPosted: Sun 28 Dec 2014, 15:25    Post subject:  

Hi Toni,

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Anyway to use "sudo -E" we have to make extra script to start this command instead /opt/bin/gsu-root and we have too many gsu alternatives already.

For me it's Ok , not another script needed.
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Here's a script that checks if you are running out of space.
I think it can be useful addition to DD.

Great, thank you! Tested with encrypted persistence save file (live-boot-3) and works for user and root. Does it work the same for save partition and save folder? I will test it later. My suggestion is to add it for root, puppy and in /etc/skel/Startup and make the warning appear for less than 30 Mb. Installing packages or even Firefox cache can use 15Mb in no time while reading the warning.


Didn't test yet for save partition and save folder but it should work the same as the script checks for free space in /
I agree, 30 MB will be more safe.

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Edit2: BTW seems by accident in DebianDog-Squeeze I made this console-setup on the picture. See user name, password and Ctrl+Alt+F1 collor.

Looks the same as I normally see on openbox version.
Maybe because I did once a setup, in /etc/default/console-setup I have:
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FONTFACE="TerminusBoldVGA"
FONTSIZE="8x16"


Btw here's attached new welcome message with Debian logo in 'one piece' (see picture) (remove dummy .tar extension)

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Thanks for the logo fix, Fred!
fredx181 wrote:
Looks the same as I normally see on openbox version.

Not like it is something important but I guess it depends on keyboard type or other hardware then.
Can you confirm you see this on the attached picture before X starts with OpenBox version? Or after ExitX from user account and typing exit and Enter? Because I don't see usernames and password different from other text in OpenBox version on boot.
I get this on the picture after:
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dpkg-reconfigure console-setup -> UTF-8 -> Latin1 and Latin5 western Europe... -> Fixed -> 8x13


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