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Carolina: Vanguard Edition Release 2 December 2014
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battleshooter


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PostPosted: Sat 13 Dec 2014, 23:09    Post subject:  

Marv wrote:
I'll fire up the Bay Trail and get the dmesg tomorrow.


Thanks for that.

Marv wrote:
Deleted: double post.. Still have the ipw2200 dropouts.


Without dmesg I can't be positive, but some people say it's due to firmware.

Try this newer firmware?

Marv wrote:
Code:
if [[ -z `pidof acpid` ]] ; then
Guess I did it first in X-slacko when I switched to the busybox acpid and in the process noticed them. The .acpid_on file must not survive an X restart while acpid does or something like that.


Ok noted. I'll put it on the "To be updated/added" list.

ally wrote:
no, just a little sad, it's become a bit of an obsession

pets and sfs's will be uploaded soon, just sending up the new lupu 5.2.8.7's

Smile


Hah, don't be so harsh on yourself. Besides, obsession gives the impression of dedication Smile Take it from a pro Razz

You do a good job Ally, keep up the good work Very Happy

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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sat 13 Dec 2014, 23:17    Post subject: Carolina: Vanguard Edition  

Installed to a 32gb flash drive with PUI, pc is an Acer Revo nettop.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Sat 13 Dec 2014 on Vanguard-Carolina 1.3 Linux 3.18.0 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation ION VGA (rev b1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP79 Board - hornet-0 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (524x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: ION/integrated/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.65

Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz
Core 0: @1600 1: @1600 2: @1600 3: @1600 MHz

Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe

It's working pretty well on this not so powerful pc.
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Marv


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PostPosted: Sat 13 Dec 2014, 23:39    Post subject:  

battleshooter wrote:

Marv wrote:
Deleted: double post.. Still have the ipw2200 dropouts.


Without dmesg I can't be positive, but some people say it's due to firmware.

Try this newer firmware?



That's the 3.1.5 firmware which is what I run. I'm pretty convinced it is a driver/interrupt conflict on these particular laptops. An old and pretty well beaten horse. PWF with a static IP works perfectly, connects instantly and that's what I use with them other than for testing new pups. The Bay Trail solution is far more interesting.. at least to me.

Edit: Throw in another plus here. Lid suspend works perfectly OOTB on both the Pentium M and on the core 2 duo laptops.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 00:53    Post subject:  

Billtoo wrote:
It's working pretty well on this not so powerful pc.


Isn't 33% CPU usage really high?

Marv wrote:
The Bay Trail solution is far more interesting.. at least to me.


Alright then, if you want to give the ipw2200 issue a pass. As a point of curiosity though, is there any OS/distro/puplet that it doesn't drop out on?

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Geoffrey


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 01:57    Post subject:  

Here's a couple of things that can be edited:

Skype doesn't need the lib hack that was for carolina.

Delete /usr/share/skype/skypelibs and edit /usr/bin/skype to read
Code:
#!/bin/sh
# Skype with PulseAudio emulation for ALSA
#
APULSEPATH="/usr/lib/apulse"
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$APULSEPATH${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH} exec "$@"
/usr/share/skype/skype


I found Master PDF editor stopped working as it was using the lib hack, so it can also have these deleted:
/opt/MasterPDFEditor/lib
/opt/MasterPDFEditor/ld-linux.so.2
/opt/MasterPDFEditor/master-pdf-editor.sh


Edit /usr/bin/master-pdf-editor to read
Code:
#! /bin/bash
exec /opt/MasterPDFEditor/master-pdf-editor

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James C


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 02:47    Post subject:  

Just a quick live run pfix=ram.Looks solid.

Code:
=== report-video ===

Vanguard-Carolina, version 1.3 on Sun 14 Dec 2014

Chip description:
 0.0 VGA compatible controller
 nVidia Corporation Device 1381 (rev a2) 
oem: NVIDIA
product: GM107 Board - 20100051 Chip Rev
 
X Server: Xorg
Driver used: # vesa

X.Org version: 1.11.0
  dimensions:    1920x1080 pixels (508x286 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    24 planes
[   179.129]
X.Org X Server 1.11.0
Release Date: 2011-08-26
[   179.129] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0


Code:
Computer
Processor   8x AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor
Memory   3029MB (401MB used)
Machine Type   Physical machine
Operating System   Puppy Linux
User Name   root (root)
Date/Time   Sun Dec 14 00:46:37 2014
Display
Resolution   1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer   Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor   The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter   HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
Audio Adapter   HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
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yerc1

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 07:31    Post subject:  

Hey battleshooter

The default icon set and style are gorgeous.
One more reason to have Carolina as my Toshiba Chromebook OS Smile

I regret to advise that the touchpad and wireless of the device continue to refuse to work on Carolina Vanguard ed.

flSynclient still gives the "Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?" message.

Frisbee could not detect the Atheros wireless device. I swapped over to Internet Connection Wizard and every Atheros module failed to detect wireless interface.

The voldown, volup and volmute scripts used in sven keyboard shortcuts don't work.
When run from terminal, the scripts give the same output: "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory". A quick check of the text in the script indicates the scripts invoke amixer.

Should the scripts invoke alsamixer instead? If yes, what change/s should be made to the scripts?
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 09:16    Post subject:  

battleshooter wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
It's working pretty well on this not so powerful pc.


Isn't 33% CPU usage really high?



The Acer Revo came with win7 and it is very slow, Carolina Vanguard 1.3
runs much better on it.

I did another flash drive install and tried it on a pc with newer intel
graphics, the screen was vertical bars flashing with a small desktop at
the top of the screen.

So Nvidia and ATI work great but Intel is a no go.

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battleshooter


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 09:37    Post subject:  

Geoffrey wrote:
Here's a couple of things that can be edited


Ah yes, roger that chief, I'll get that down as well for next time. Thanks for catching these things Smile

James C wrote:
Just a quick live run pfix=ram.Looks solid.


I thought there was a "thumbs up" emoticon. Apparently not. o1 (thumbs up)

yerc1 wrote:
I regret to advise that the touchpad and wireless of the device continue to refuse to work on Carolina Vanguard ed.


Finally! The report I've been waiting all day for... but it's bad news Crying or Very sad

Alright. I want to see the output of dmesg please. I suspect it's Xorg. So far it's only working on Fatdog for you right? How did exton's build work out?

Dmesg should also show me what's the deal with the wireless. I specifically compiled all the new wireless modules I could find, but maybe the firmware is missing. Oddly enough looking forward to reading the output of your dmesg, would really like to know what's going on.

Just to make sure there's no hold ups, you know what I mean by dmesg right? Open a terminal, type in "dmesg" and copy paste the output?

yerc1 wrote:
The voldown, volup and volmute scripts used in sven keyboard shortcuts don't work.
When run from terminal, the scripts give the same output: "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory". A quick check of the text in the script indicates the scripts invoke amixer.

Should the scripts invoke alsamixer instead? If yes, what change/s should be made to the scripts?


No, amixer is correct. The script isn't working because your

1. Volume keys aren't being mapped out
2. I suspect you main sound card is not being mapped to default (Is it being found at all? Does sound actually work)

One more thing, md5sum checked out right?

Billtoo wrote:
So Nvidia and ATI work great but Intel is a no go.


A no go on some. I tested it on an Intel laptop I borrowed and Marv also had luck with his Intel 855GM. Can I also see your dmesg please?

I've recently realized you can learn so much from dmesg, I suppose I'm slightly enamored by it Laughing

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ally


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 10:01    Post subject:  

pets and sfs files now added to Vanguard archive page

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Marv


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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 10:39    Post subject:  

battleshooter wrote:


Alright then, if you want to give the ipw2200 issue a pass. As a point of curiosity though, is there any OS/distro/puplet that it doesn't drop out on?


Every pup (and various alphaOS versions) at least since kernel 2.6.xx has shown it on this class of laptop. Before that my connection was bad/slow enough so I don't really know. Utterly utterly regular, router independent, with a period between dropouts of 108 seconds and a carrier loss duration of 1 to 3 seconds on this machine. See here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=789729&sid=fa65988baaba8b4c9229860b8994161a#789729. All dhcpcd dropwait flavors handle it well in that they wait it out, but if you hit the 1 to 3 seconds of dead air say, during a submit, it's disconcerting. Really not a big deal.

Looking at other posts above, it does look like some other newer intel (4000 HD also?) video and possibly some other newer hardware has problems with the Xorg from Carolina. Dmesgs later today.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 10:40    Post subject:  

battleshooter wrote:


A no go on some. I tested it on an Intel laptop I borrowed and Marv also had luck with his Intel 855GM. Can I also see your dmesg please?

I've recently realized you can learn so much from dmesg, I suppose I'm slightly enamored by it Laughing


I moved the 16gb flash drive install to an older hp desktop and it is
working fine on this one.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Sun 14 Dec 2014 on Vanguard-Carolina 1.3 Linux 3.18.0 i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
oem: Intel(r)Q33/Q35/G33 Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)Q33/Q35/G33 Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33 x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.10.3

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz
Core 0: @1600 1: @1600 MHz

I'll have another go at the one with intel ivybridge later.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 13:52    Post subject:  

Marv wrote:
Every pup (and various alphaOS versions) at least since kernel 2.6.xx has shown it on this class of laptop.

The great mystery to me in all of this is why dhcpcd even cares about temporary dropouts. Its job should be to get you an IP address, not monitor network quality.

Other network tools like your web browser can handle dropouts OK, as can be seen by running them with a static IP address.

I briefly looked at some alternatives to dhcpcd that might avoid this situation. I found one called pump that worked fine for a while. (However, I don't own an adapter that experiences dropouts, so it wasn't a proper test.) But pump eventually quit working and required a router reset.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 13:57    Post subject: Carolina: Vanguard Edition
Subject description: intel ivybridge
 

I tried booting the pc with intel ivybridge grahics "puppy pfix=nox,ram"
and at the prompt entered "dmesg|more" which allowed scrolling through
it a srceen at a time.
Unfortunately I haven't a clue what I'm looking for Smile ,also don't know
how to save it.
If I run xorgwizard and choose the intel driver then xwin to get to the
desktop the screen has flashing vertical bars except for about an 1.5
inches at the top of the screen.
I looked at the firmware of my mint17 64 bit install on the ivybridge machine
(which works fine) and the firmware on this older hp desktop and they
are the same.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Dec 2014, 18:52    Post subject: Re: Carolina: Vanguard Edition
Subject description: intel ivybridge
 

Billtoo wrote:
I tried booting the pc with intel ivybridge grahics "puppy pfix=nox,ram"
and at the prompt entered "dmesg|more" which allowed scrolling through
it a srceen at a time.
Unfortunately I haven't a clue what I'm looking for Smile ,also don't know
how to save it.
If I run xorgwizard and choose the intel driver then xwin to get to the
desktop the screen has flashing vertical bars except for about an 1.5
inches at the top of the screen.
I looked at the firmware of my mint17 64 bit install on the ivybridge machine
(which works fine) and the firmware on this older hp desktop and they
are the same.


Try dmesg | grep drm and dmesg | grep i915. To save them you may be able to redirect them to files on the boot partition and get at them from another pup. The screen on my Bay-Trail isn't garbled but is offset upward so only about the bottom quarter shows. Makes extracting info from it a treat also. Gone all day today in a thick fog (literal) so I'll poke that box tomorrow.

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