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Sage

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 03:05    Post subject:  

We had reports of this before on this Forum - long time ago - and I have certainly seen it.

Remove everything from the HD - all partitions, including hidden ones. Unless you're a whole-disc expert editor, use a DOS disc with debug to clean off the disc and, just to make sure, fdisk/mbr then fdisk and format it to some other OS's format (not a lot of choice!).
Then boot an earlier Puppy, pfix=ram, to fdisc/w.h.y from the terminal and make an ext2 partition (with swap if you prefer). G4DOS your preferred arrangements.
Reboot from a poweroff into pfix-ram. Install a FULL ie overwrite. Poweroff. Reboot and Gparted, copy, etc to set your preferences.
Some HD/board/previous-OS combos can behave strangely (at least to the uninitiated).
It's quicker to follow my recipe than to describe it in words.
There are further tricks if it still fails - transfer the HD to an older board with an IDE-SATA converter if appropriate and set up a Puppy FULL from there before overwriting it on the target board. OR write Puppy FULL to another HD and use Clonzilla to transfer it. That utility has the capability of writing at the bit-level and removing everything else ditto.
Otherwise, become an whole disc expert when absolutely everything becomes visible.
Beware of proprietary machines esp. Dell & HP which write hidden partitions such as recovery and BIOS-extras onto their HDs which can be difficult to overwrite and/or can immobilise subsequent operations. Notwithstanding, this situation can be rescued by setting up the HD in a non-proprietary machine and simply transferring it back afterwards. This works in all cases I've encountered except one HP which claims to need the BIOS meddling data. Then you have the option of overwriting the BIOS or d/l the HP files from the InterWeb and installing them.
There really is no persuasive argument for not building your own machine. Even if driven by indolence one can obtain a part-built bundle from reputable organisation like CCL (in UK), NewEgg (USA). My views on laptops are well known - a smart mobile or tablet would be a more enlightened choice. Whatever happened about Puppy versions for ARM?!
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eowens2

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 15:25    Post subject:  

Inasmuch as I have had zero problems with the HDD in question, (including 3 other partitions) except for usage in conjunction with a Full Install from Universal Installer, I guess I will reluctantly avoid usage of the Full Install option.

It seems strange that the problem of “ghost data” or “partition pointers” or whatever only seem to manifest themselves and wreak havoc in the context of the Universal Installer Full Install option and nowhere else. Why don’t these issues cause problems following a manual full install (as described by James C and Keef) to the same partition?


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We had reports of this before on this Forum - long time ago - and I have certainly seen it.

Remove everything from the HD - all partitions, including hidden ones. Unless you're a whole-disc expert editor, use a DOS disc with debug to clean off the disc and, just to make sure, fdisk/mbr then fdisk and format it to some other OS's format (not a lot of choice!).
Then boot an earlier Puppy, pfix=ram, to fdisc/w.h.y from the terminal and make an ext2 partition (with swap if you prefer). G4DOS your preferred arrangements.

Reboot from a poweroff into pfix-ram. Install a FULL ie overwrite. Poweroff. Reboot and Gparted, copy, etc to set your preferences.
Some HD/board/previous-OS combos can behave strangely (at least to the uninitiated).

It's quicker to follow my recipe than to describe it in words.
There are further tricks if it still fails - transfer the HD to an older board with an IDE-SATA converter if appropriate and set up a Puppy FULL from there before overwriting it on the target board. OR write Puppy FULL to another HD and use Clonzilla to transfer it. That utility has the capability of writing at the bit-level and removing everything else ditto.
Otherwise, become an whole disc expert when absolutely everything becomes visible.
Beware of proprietary machines esp. Dell & HP which write hidden partitions such as recovery and BIOS-extras onto their HDs which can be difficult to overwrite and/or can immobilise subsequent operations. Notwithstanding, this situation can be rescued by setting up the HD in a non-proprietary machine and simply transferring it back afterwards. This works in all cases I've encountered except one HP which claims to need the BIOS meddling data. Then you have the option of overwriting the BIOS or d/l the HP files from the InterWeb and installing them.

There really is no persuasive argument for not building your own machine. Even if driven by indolence one can obtain a part-built bundle from reputable organisation like CCL (in UK), NewEgg (USA). My views on laptops are well known - a smart mobile or tablet would be a more enlightened choice. Whatever happened about Puppy versions for ARM?!

Sage's remarks seem like a "nuclear option", but no doubt they are distilled from much experience. Hopefully a less disruptive solution to this particular problem can be found.
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James C


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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 16:23    Post subject:  

Since I luckily had a few free minutes I attempted a full install of Slacko64 (two attempts actually) running the installer from the terminal. As noted earlier, even with a freshly formatted Ext 4 partition the installed incorrectly detected something, so I attempted both a "wipe" and "upgrade". End results, two kernel panics.

Terminal output:


Code:
# puppyinstaller

Gtk-CRITICAL (recursed) **: IA__gtk_widget_get_direction: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed

Gtk-CRITICAL (recursed) **: IA__gtk_widget_get_direction: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
mount: warning: /mnt/sdb2/data seems to be mounted read-only.
/usr/sbin/puppyinstaller: line 751: 20171 Terminated              Xdialog --wmclass "gtkdialog2" --title "$(gettext 'Puppy Universal Installer')" --no-buttons --infobox "$(gettext 'Please wait, copying Puppy files to') $DESTPART..." 0 0 120000
chroot: can't execute '/etc/rc.d/rc.update': No such file or directory
/usr/sbin/puppyinstaller: line 751: 22855 Terminated              Xdialog --wmclass "gtkdialog2" --title "$(gettext 'Puppy Universal Installer')" --no-buttons --infobox "$(gettext 'Please wait, executing rc.update script...')" 0 0 60000
nohup: appending output to nohup.out
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 17:09    Post subject:  

01micko, What did you do to the Universal Installer Question Shocked

Well, this Slacko 64 is alpha.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 17:41    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
01micko, What did you do to the Universal Installer Question Shocked

Well, this Slacko 64 is alpha.


Being the first official 64 bit Puppy may have something to do with it. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 17:48    Post subject:  

Simple enough to fix one of my earlier attempts that wanted to kernel panic. Merely copy the lib64 directory into the full install. Boots.Using it now.

Apparently,the puppy installer doesn't know to copy the lib64 directory....should be a fairly easy fix for one of the gurus.Got to expect some problems when building a different architecture.

Code:
PUPMODE=2
#ATADRIVES is all internal ide/pata/sata drives, excluding optical, excluding usb...
ATADRIVES='sda sdb '
#ATAOPTICALDRIVES is list of non-usb optical drives...
ATAOPTICALDRIVES='sr0 '
PUP_HOME='/'
PDEV1='sdb2'
DEV1FS='ext4'
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 17:55    Post subject:  

While I'm here....


Code:
# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Mon 25 Aug 2014 on Slacko64 Puppy 0.0 - Linux 3.12.22 x86_64
 
Chip description:
  00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2) 
  oem: NVIDIA
  product: MCP67 - mcp68-01 Chip Rev
 
X Server: Xorg  Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.14.3
  dimensions:    1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    24 planes


   ...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
3139 frames in 5.0 seconds = 627.727 FPS
3210 frames in 5.0 seconds = 641.879 FPS
3253 frames in 5.0 seconds = 650.448 FPS
3212 frames in 5.0 seconds = 642.335 FPS


Code:
-Computer-
Processor      : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Memory      : 3791MB (250MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : Slacko64 Puppy - 0.0
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Mon 25 Aug 2014 04:53:32 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution      : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : Gallium 0.4 on NV67
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter      : PC-Speaker - pcsp


Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       3791524       434120      3357404            0        20460
-/+ buffers:             413660      3377864
Swap:      6246396            0      6246396
#
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eowens2

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Aug 2014, 21:20    Post subject:  

Great pickup James C!

I want to confirm James C's findings. After his post I did a fresh full install of Slacko64_5.9.1 to a HDD partition using the Universal Installer. Beforehand I dd’d the partition with /dev/zero and did a fresh ext3 file format; mounting the partition, I found only an empty “Lost and Found” directory, which I deleted.

As the install began, the installer reported “There is already a version of Puppy installed”, I selected “wipe” and the process completed.

Looking at the install, as James C reported, lib64 was not present, and boot attempt => kernel panic.

Copying lib64 and contents from the CD to the partition resulted in an uneventful boot.
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2014, 01:36    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
should be a fairly easy fix

It has been for some time now in woof (but after slacko 64 was released).
Micko's new PUI should also work.

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2014, 10:01    Post subject:  

:
mavrothal wrote:

It has been for some time now in woof (but after slacko 64 was released).
Micko's new PUI should also work.

  • The PUI needs testing in this Slacko version as it was created and tested in Slacko-V6 32bit beta.
  • Change the install location to ANY other partition other than /dev/sdx"4". Since 1986, HDD manufacturers have "recommended" to use no more than 3 primary partitions after that create an extended partition (an "extended" is a kind of primary partition) with logical partitions within the extended area. On many installs for advanced businesses, they DO NOT USE ANY primary partitions instead opting to erase new drives and start the new drive by creating an extended partition where from that point on they can create an infinite number logical partitions with NO loss of performance. There are several industry tools and apps which "expect" that sdx4 does NOT exist as they assume good HDD practices with the use of extended partition areas with logical partitions. Even though I do NOT feel this lack of practice done here in any way cures the present problem, it "may" in boot processing.
Hope this helps
Edit: a phrase's readability.

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Aug 2014, 23:59    Post subject:  

Screenie of the latest full install..... success from copying lib64 ......
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Sep 2014, 20:32    Post subject:  

Gnumeric bugfix

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=797581#797581

Test and report please.

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Jades

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PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep 2014, 07:48    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Gnumeric bugfix

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=797581#797581

Test and report please.


Not done anything in depth but so far it hasn't bombed out yet. The version that came with 591 would load and allowed me to select the rows I wanted to delete and then crash as soon as I tried to bring up a menu,

Any chance of a new Slacko64 build? Seems to have been a long time since the last one came out. General performance on Merlin IV seems to be fine so far.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2014, 01:55    Post subject:  

Different Nvidia card..... another quick test.


Code:
# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Wed 10 Sep 2014 on Slacko64 Puppy 5.9.1 - Linux 3.12.22 x86_64
 
Chip description:
  0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) 
  oem: NVIDIA
  product: GT218 Board - 08720002 Chip Rev
 
X Server: Xorg  Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.14.3
  dimensions:    1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
  depth of root window:    24 planes


   ...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz



Code:
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
4932 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.211 FPS
5089 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1017.606 FPS
5090 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1017.844 FPS
5085 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1016.885 FPS
5091 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1018.062 FPS
5088 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1017.434 FPS


Code:
-Computer-
Processor      : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory      : 4049MB (324MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : Slacko64 Puppy - 5.9.1
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Wed 10 Sep 2014 12:54:53 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution      : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : Gallium 0.4 on NVA8
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter      : PC-Speaker - pcsp
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia


Working pretty well.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2014, 04:15    Post subject:  

Just for informational purposes......attempted to test on a recently built box but every boot attempt has failed so far.Slacko 5.9.3 fails as well but the latest Tahr release does work.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=798963#798963


Code:
-Computer-
Processor      : 8x AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor
Memory      : 8210MB (286MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : tahrpup - 5.8.3.rc1
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Fri 12 Sep 2014 03:13:57 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution      : 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter      : PC-Speaker - pcsp


Going to swap a newer kernel and try 5.9.3 again tomorrow.
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