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fredx181

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 09:07    Post subject:  
Hi Toni,
Quote:
It is not strange. It is boot method difference. We should start report some more information when some problem appear. Like what is the boot code which turns to be very important.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up and yes it would save us some time and confusion if we would give more info.

Quote:
I don't have enough RAM to test /tmp with RemasterDog. If there is any change needed for Jwm version in /etc/default/tmpfs for RemasterDog (with choose /tmp option) to work, please, write what is needed.


Just this in /etc/default/tmpfs makes it the same for all boot-methods I think:
Code:
RAMTMP=yes


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saintless


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 11:36    Post subject:  
fredx181 wrote:

Code:
RAMTMP=yes

OK, Fred. Added to next version changes. I will change it also to TMP_SIZE=50%VM

BTW Zaz works for me without installing 87Mb libgl1-mesa-dri. Manually copy from deb package /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so (13,7Mb) does the same job on my hardware.

About menu entry to install flashplugin-nonfree - do we really need this if it will execute simple:
Code:
apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

Such script should download and install flushplugin-nonfree and then remove the menu entry and run update-menus. It is easy but what is the point if we can't make it smaller as ffmpeg2sfs for example? Is there alternative smaller version of flashplugin-nonfree to provide as option with menu entry instead?

Toni
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 11:55    Post subject:  
Life is good again. Not that tmpfs was a big deal, though. My further search on trusty Google reveals, that some users, like myself, are confused about how it's managed in Wheezy and Debian. Unlike you guys, I don't use a save/persistence option and am entirely dependent on remastering, that's why I panicked. The thing is, that DebianDog plus remasterdog (+ SID and Testing), plus your effort will work wonders ... and I've learnt something new, that's another thing, that matters.
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stemsee

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 13:47    Post subject:  
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Yes, but I'll add full install later today.

Fred


Good oh! I started it up and wasn't sure whether to proceed and test install to a partition that was populated with recent projects ... so not knowing whether frugal or full install would ensue I aborted. I can't wait to try your full install solution for puppy ... and 'all?' linux 'live?'distros...
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fredx181

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 14:00    Post subject:  
Hi Toni,
Quote:
Code:
apt-get -install flashplugin-nonfree

Such script should download and install flushplugin-nonfree and then remove the menu entry and run update-menus. It is easy but what is the point if we can't make it smaller as ffmpeg2sfs for example? Is there alternative smaller version of flashplugin-nonfree to provide as option with menu entry instead?

One reason could be that we make it easier to install flashplayer if it's in the menu.
To make it smaller maybe this:
Code:
wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.346/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz

Then extract and copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins.(16.6 Mb)
I don't know if flash works with Dillo btw.
Or maybe older flashplayer v10 from here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84267
It's only 12 Mb and works fine for me.

Fred
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 14:32    Post subject:  
Thanks, Fred!
I will think about including menu entry option with choices then:

1. Regular apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
2. Download, extract to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin latest flash version.
3. Download, extract to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin version 10.

4. Remove installed flashplugin-nonfree (if installed).
5. Remove /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin latest flash version (if exists)
6. Remove /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin version 10 (if exists).

7. Create flashplugin-nonfree.sfs

I'm sure it will not work for Dillo Smile

Also I think to add option in /opt/bin/mount-swap for swapping pupswap.swp file if exists instead only swap partition.

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fredx181

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 15:42    Post subject:  
Hi All, Stemsee, Toni,

New portable DebianDog Installer:
Note: This is for installing DebianDog only.

Edit: links removed, need to do some fixing.
Edit2: Fixed now.
Edit3: It appeared that full-install doesn't work on older puppy's so I removed it.
Edit4: Bugfix: forgot that fdisk toggles the boot flag, so if boot flag is already set, it removes it, fixed by checking first if boot flag is set.
Edit5: New revision uploaded with fix that will prevent that the boot flag is set on multiple partitions.

Only frugal install now (Full install can be done from booted DebianDog) :

As portable folder: debdoginstall.tar.gz:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5YnppQ21pb3pkbGM/edit?usp=sharing

As AppImage: DebianDog-Installer (needs to make it executable before use)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5bnAzYzFqRlhJT1E/edit?usp=sharing

At start it gives choice for frugal or full install.
Edit: Only frugal install now.

Stemsee wrote:
I can't wait to try your full install solution for puppy ... and 'all?' linux 'live?'distros...

Probably not on all distros, I couldn't make it work on Lubuntu, can't figure out why.
And as I said before, it needs testing on different puppy's.

Toni wrote:
I will think about including menu entry option with choices then:

1. Regular apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
............
............

Nice!, lots of choice.

Fred
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 05:24    Post subject:  
Hi, Fred.
fredx181 wrote:
New portable DebianDog Installer:


Edit: Uploaded here also:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/DebianDog-Installer
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/debdoginstall.tar.gz

Correct me if I'm wrong, Fred - Just to make clear for anyone who may get wrong impression - the scripts allow installing only DebianDog (Frugal or Full) from Puppy or different linux than DebianDog. Not installing any live distro as frugal or full install.

Quote:
Nice!, lots of choice.

flash-player-choice with menu and desktop file:
First version for testing. If you have any suggestions we can change it:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/Temp-stuff/flash-player-choice.tar.gz



Toni
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fredx181

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 05:26    Post subject:  
Fred wrote:
New portable DebianDog Installer:

Sorry in an attempt to improve things i messed up the full installer.
Need some time to fix it.
Links in previous post removed for now.

EDIT:
Toni wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, Fred - Just to make clear for anyone who may get wrong impression - the scripts allow installing only DebianDog (Frugal or Full) from Puppy or different linux than DebianDog. Not installing any live distro as frugal or full install.

Yes, only for installing DebianDog
Can you remove links to the site also?
There's really something wrong with it.
I'll test your flashplayerchoice later.

Fred
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul 2014, 05:33    Post subject:  
fredx181 wrote:
Can you remove links to the site also?
There's really something wrong with it.
I'll test your flashplayerchoice later.

OK, Fred.
Test when you have time. No hurry.

Toni
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saintless


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2014, 02:13    Post subject:  
Hi, Fred.

Small change in RemasterCow needed because of puppy initrd boot.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Fredx181/Temp-stuff/remastercow.tar.gz
Only added lines 110-114:
Code:
rm -rf "/mnt/$DRV/$WRKDIR"/etc/rc.d
rm -f "/mnt/$DRV/$WRKDIR"/etc/DISTRO_SPECS
rm -rf "/mnt/$DRV/$WRKDIR"/initrd
rm -rf "/mnt/$DRV/$WRKDIR"/lib/consolefonts
rm -rf "/mnt/$DRV/$WRKDIR"/lib/keymaps

Nothing else changed.

Toni
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anikin

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2014, 07:15    Post subject:  
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Small change in RemasterCow needed because of puppy initrd boot
Toni,
I must have missed a discussion, what is puppy-initrd-boot, what does it do and why it's needed?

One tiny applet, that I miss in DD is peasyglue.==>http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84878 It refuses to work, says not enough space. Even now, that tmpfs has been set straight, it chokes on 3 miniscule pictures, less than 20 K each. Can you, or Fred have a look at it, please? I would recommend it as a must have and ask you to include it in DD, provided of course, you can bring it to heel.

Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2014, 07:58    Post subject:  
@anikin: It's probably not a space issue - it's a missing dependency. PeasyGlue needs jpegtopnm, pngtopnm, pnmtojpeg, pnmtopng and pnmcat. You can probably drag them out of some Puppy.
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anikin

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2014, 08:34    Post subject:  
rcrsn51,
Found the missing stuff here:
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/netpbm/filelist
and still get this error - "Gluing failed! Read the Help about making more temporary space." I've tried that, other option as well - no go.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2014, 08:42    Post subject:  
Run it from the command line and see if you get a more specific error message.
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