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LanPuppy...At Last... [ Testing & Suggestions ]
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gabev

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 22:59    Post subject:  

i had to chmod the xmklanpup to 755.After extraction it had a 644 mode and thats why it didnt execute.Now we gonna start the testing ... Smile
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gabev

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 23:55    Post subject:  

Testing result:

Iso file used : puppy 2.11 - seamonkey
in mnt /home/tftpboot/puppy211-seamonkey-lanpup
3 new files were created :
default
isolinux.cfg
vmlinuz
all have mode 644

In mnt/home/lanpup/sys
no file was created ( I was expecting usr_cram.fs )
So far image.gz and us_cram.fs were not created.

Anyway to cut the chase short, the pxe client I wanna load is puppy211 -seamonkey.
If you cam make those file please upload them so I can start to test LanPuppy.
Gabe
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 00:16    Post subject:  

Yep; usually I run scripts with: ./
Example: ./xmklanpup
The file I posted runs fine with a click in ROX.

ATTENTION:

As I said above... LanPuppy-1.0 (this one) is ONLY for versions of Puppy-1.

Puppy-2.x.x WON'T WORK!!!!!

So I can't make a client for you out of SeaMonkey. (Sorry)

The reason being that Barry changed the way the boot scripts work.
Puppy-1 most of the work is done in: /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
Puppy-2 most of the work is done in: /sbin/init

Maybe I'll make a LanPuppy version for Puppy-2.x.x, most people are using it.
I haven't yet seen anything that Puppy-2 does that Puppy-1 won't do.
So I'm not all that influenced to bother to upgrade to Puppy-2 yet.
Also Puppy-1 sort of lends itself to being a LanPuppy (file structure).

The Puppy-1 SimplePup I liked because of the Xfce window manager (beautiful).
ANY of the NEWER Puppy-1 versions should work (1.0.5 - 1.0.9).
John Murga's Puppy version would boot & run without the need for Samba.
This simplifies the setup & booting a fair amount.

What window manager & apps. do you want the client to have?
Also you didn't say what the server was, Puppy or Win.?

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gabev

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 00:32    Post subject:  

OKi Dokiii

Im gonna download the version pupy1.Back to testing.
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gabev

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 01:08    Post subject:  

iso file used puppy109CE.iso

So far so good.all files were created upon running of the xmklanpup.
x didnt start.I was able to power off system from promt.
Does 109CE has gui or its only command line?

So far I concluded that LanPuppy is working, just fine tunnings for now.I gonna go right back and try another puppy flavor.Back to testing.
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 02:02    Post subject:  

As I said, I liked SimplePup 0.3 or 0.31, it has the XFCE window manager.

The files are put in: /tftpboot/(name of the ISO file)
So you must copy them to the dirs. stated in the final popup window of xmklanpup.
This is to keep different LanPuppy version apart so they won't be copied over.

Also there MUST be /homes/pup-1 /homes/pup-2 dirs. (one for each client PC)
for the clients to make SAVE files in.


gabev... THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ..... WHAT are you using for the server?
Linux running Samba with my smb.conf file will auto. mount client HOME shares.
Win. WON'T DO THIS! So modifications would have to be made to the boot script.
If using Win., I assume your using tftpd32 for the boot server daemon.
You'll HAVE to setup shares in Win. for: /docs, /public, /sys
The HOMES shares (pup-1, etc.) are a problem as Win. won't auto. connect the client to it's HOME.

This is the file structure of PupServer & LanPuppy:

/mnt/home/docs ..... (a common read-only documents share for all clients)
/mnt/home/public ..... (a common read-write public share for all clients)
/mnt/home/lanpup/sys/usr_cram.fs ..... (the one being booted)
/mnt/home/lanpup/tools/(various tools)
/mnt/home/lanpup/image_files/(files to be added to image.gz)
/mnt/home/tftpboot/vmlinuz ..... (the one being booted)
/mnt/home/tftpboot/image.gz ..... (the one being booted)
/mnt/home/tftpboot/(LanPuppy versions)/(LanPuppy version files)
/mnt/home/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default ..... (PxeLinux config. file)

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gabev

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 02:07    Post subject:  

The xmklanpup works good now, it does create the necesary files.
I worked a couples of pup1 iso .the pxe boot is working but the image created could not load properly.I was able to boot just the busy box after which I had a message that the X could not be started and that puppy was unable to mount the usr_cram.fs on /usr.I saw a couples of errors refering to smb-mounts also , but , at this point I dont know if its my hardrive which is failing or just some unrelated errors.I will start again from scratch with a different hardrive and a new Puppy install and see if I get the same errors.


I do use Linux Puppy 211-seamonkey as server with Samba instaled ( i followed your instructions on how to install LanPuppy ) .The client is a ntavo machine without hard drive nor flash card, just 128 MB of RAM and PXE capable.

Gee, i didnt see what time it is.I will continue tommorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 02:13    Post subject:  

gabev; ReREAD MY POST ABOVE! (I added to it)

You have to tell me what your server is !!!!!!!!!

The Samba errors are because there are no SMB shares for the client to mount!

usr_cram.fs is suppost to be in the /sys share, it can't find it if the share isn't mounted,
and X is in the usr_cram.fs file, so X can't load if this file isn't mounted!
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gabev

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 02:35    Post subject:  

the Samba server package is : samba-3.021c.pup

I did install LanPuppy101.pup also.

I will do a fresh install tommorrow on a different hardrive and see if i will have the same issues.Maybe is my hardrive getting corrupted.

#################
other boot errors on the client :

cp cannot stat '/usr' : No such file or directory
init started BusyBox..etc etc
then
Mounting /proc : Can't find /proc in etc/fstab...

grrrrrrrrr
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 03:39    Post subject:  

So your server is Puppy-1.x.x ?
I'm not sure the Samba package or my LanPuppy package will work with a Puppy-2.x.x server.

"Cannot stat /usr" is because the usr_cram.fs file IS the /usr dir.
I'm not sure about the /proc mount, but with the other errors it's not important.
When the other errors are corrected, the odd errors will usually go away.

PupServer is the Puppy that you installed the Samba & LanPuppy packages to.
It servs the boot files (vmlinuz & image.gz) to the client PCs by TFTP.
Then the SMB shares /docs, /public, /sys, /homes/pup-{N} are smbmounted.
All the apps., X, & pretty much everything is in the usr_cram.fs file that's in /sys.
The kernel vmlinuz is ~ 1mb, image.gz is ~ 7mb, & usr_cram.fs is ~ 40 to 80mb.
All 3 of these files are compressed, so uncompressed they'd be 2 to 3 times larger.

Q #1) What version of Puppy (exactly) did you install Samba & LanPuppy to?

Q #2) Is the PupServer & LanPuppy dirs. in the path: /mnt/home ?
.......................... (like the dir. list in the post above)

Again... If you'd like a step by step description of the full boot process, say so.
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gabev

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 12:40    Post subject:  

Now that probably explains it.

in my setup I downloaded puppy 2.11 seamonkey and instaled it into my HD. After that I instaled Samba 3.0.21c.pup than I instaled LanPuppy 101.Basically I just followed the instructions found on the wiki page :http://puppylinux.org/wikka/LanPuppy.

As you mentioned , pupserver might not work on other pups 2 versions.Probably thats why I got those samba errors on boot.

I will install SimplePup as a server and follow from there.
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 13:12    Post subject:  

As the original post said, Pizzasgood's "EmptyCrust107" was what I used for the server.
It's been stripped of most of the apps. so it's smaller in size.
However if you intend to use the server PC to web browse or other stuff SimplePup03 should work.

The number of downloads of the LanPuppy package has got me thinking of making a full distro.
I'm looking into it, it'll probably take a little bit as the server will have to be remastered.
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Todd

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 15:11    Post subject: LanPup  

Please, let me know what I can do to help. I have gotten pretty good at Unleashed. I just posted the base puplet that I used for iPup on my archive. If that looks like something you could use, I can change the opening boot screen to reflect your own tastes, etc.

Anyways, I love to tinker. Let me know how I can help.

Todd
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gabev

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 19:51    Post subject:  

hi sunburnt,

Funny enough , SmallPup 0.3.1 wont detect my network card Shocked , while puppy 2.11-seamonkey didnt have any issues. before I can install LanPup seems like is gonna be another of those nights...

and yeas, indeed , SmallPup has a very clean look
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Nov 2006, 22:16    Post subject:  

Todd; I haven't heard of iPup (not an iPod I assume... ha ha), what it like?
Is it based on Puppy-2? What 's the WM, what apps. does it have, etc.?
PupServer is a boot & Samba server built on Pizzasgood's EmptyCrust107.
LanPuppy is any version of Puppy-1.x.x with the boot code modified to do a PXE boot.
PupServer will have to be remastered to join Samba & the boot daemons to it.
It's been working for quite some time now, so cleaning it up & remastering is the job.
Once it's ready to release as a beta package it'll need testing. I'll let you know.

gabev; What's you network card type? Post it & hopfully help will come.
I really liked XFCE for it's design, different from WinBlows & cleaner.
Most WMs seem to be carbon copys of WinSnows (IceWM, JWM, etc.).
I haven't even seen the full XFCE WM yet, SimplePup has a slimmed down version.
The full XFCE has a complete desktop environment & apps. like KDE.
In the future I want to try it out & make a LanPuppy with the full XFCE.
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