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Shep

Joined: 08 Nov 2008
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Location: Australia

PostPosted: Fri 25 Apr 2014, 23:54    Post subject:  

English Invader wrote:
There is some software called PLOP that enables non-USB-booting machines to boot from USB. It can be installed from Windows or you can run it from a CD or a floppy disk.

I have in the past tried to understand PLOP, and how to install it, but there was no set of instructions clear enough that I had the confidence to follow. You seem to be saying PLOP demands a functional Windows system if it is to run from the HD? Without windows, PLOP requires at each switch-on that there be a working CD or FD drive containing a special PLOP disk? Do I understand that correctly?

A friend's laptop has a dying CD drive, and a functional HDD but the windows install on it is scrambled (probably a virus 3 years ago). I've worked around this by having him run puppy linux from a live CD, but now the CDD is becoming flaky. I am at a loss as to whether the situation can be further salvaged?
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Les Kerf

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Apr 2014, 09:36    Post subject:  

I also had a bit of trouble deciphering the PloP method, but it does work well for certain situations once you have it figured out.

PloP does NOT require a windows installation. A working Floppy or CD drive is needed if you do not already have a functional operating system.

Plop can be installed on the hard drive in the MBR, and can then be set to boot to either the hard drive, USB drive, or the CD.

One detail that evaded me for quite some time was the fact that in order to boot linux using PloP you MUST install an additional bootloader to the Partition Boot Sector (PBS) of the partition from which you are booting (sda1, sda2... sdx1...etc.) I use Grub4Dos for this purpose as it installs easily; Menu > System > Grub4Dos Bootloader Configuration and select Show PBS, then install Grub4Dos on whatever partitions from which you may choose to boot. After that is done, install the Plop bootloader on the MBR of the hard drive.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Les

I copied and pasted the following from the PloP instructions:

1. Floppy

A floppy disk image is a file that contains every sector of the floppy disk. You cannot copy the image file on a floppy disk like a common file. It's required to use a special program that writes sector per sector of the image file to the floppy disk sectors. There are many programs available to do this.

Download the current boot manager plpbt-5.0.14.zip. Extract it to get the floppy disk image plpbt.img.

How to create the floppy:

DOS: You can use diskimg.com with diskimg -d a -w plpbt.img

Windows: Write the disk image with the program rawwritewin to the floppy disk

Linux: dd if=plpbt.img of=/dev/fd0

You can configure the plpbt.bin on the floppy with plpcfgbt.

2. CD (LiveCD)

Download the current boot manager plpbt-5.0.14.zip. Extract it to get the iso file plpbt.iso.

Customize ISO: See Create your own ISO ...

Windows:

You can use Nero, or the free program CDBurnerXP, or any other program that can burn ISO images.

Use the option like burn ISO on CD or burn ISO Image. Then choose the boot manager ISO and burn it.

Linux:

cdrecord is the linux program to burn ISO images to a CD.

Burn the ISO with cdrecord: cdrecord -v dev=<devicename> <iso image>

Example:
If you access your CD burner with /dev/hdd
cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdd plpbt.iso
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PostPosted: Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:24    Post subject:  

Norbert Dentressangle,

This info may help you.
Various ways to install puppy
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60302

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Shep

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:48    Post subject:  

Les Kerf wrote:
PloP does NOT require a windows installation. A working Floppy or CD drive is needed if you do not already have a functional operating system.

The laptop has a functioning HD, but a corrupted Win OS on the HD. The laptop has no FDD. Do I need to burn a CD in order to install PLOP to the HD? The CD can then be thrown away?

Thanks for your post.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Apr 2014, 11:59    Post subject:  

@Shep: What is your objective? To delete the corrupt Windows hard drive install and replace it with Puppy?

If so, you don't need PLOP. You just need to get Puppy to boot off the CD once more so you can do the install.
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Shep

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Apr 2014, 07:27    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
@Shep: What is your objective? To delete the corrupt Windows hard drive install and replace it with Puppy?

If so, you don't need PLOP. You just need to get Puppy to boot off the CD once more so you can do the install.

Thank you. Yes, I should try that first. (The laptop resides some distance away and I'm just going by his reports of its behaviour.)

Actually, I was preparing myself for the worst-case situation where the HD is also flaky and I'd try to use Puppy Linux on a USB thumb drive. Once the PC has booted and PLOP has played its part, the HD should power down through disuse? I think there is enough RAM that he won't need a HD swap directory.
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cthisbear

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Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Sun 27 Apr 2014, 21:56    Post subject:  

Just posted on Whirlpool forum.
Various reasons for no usb boots.

Includes some of my first post but I got sick and tired of trolling through
every usb fixes...so live with it.

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I always run usbs the Hirens' boot cd way.

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/usb-booting/

http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd-on-usb-disk

I run multiboots.

I usually unzip them with 7 zip in Windows.

http://www.7-zip.org/

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Can't get USB install to work.

Tried different ports etc on your computers.
This is critical sometimes.

Back ports often work better then front ones .

Always handy to try another PC with your usb to see
if the usb boots there.

Tried it on a different USB?

Tried it on another computer?

Also some USB ports can act up.
I have a cheapie Asus MB on one computer
and only the rear ones consistently work.

Some Compaq laptops were well known for
poor USB performance.

If I ran Puppy I look to see that these are ticked in GParted.

>>> Boot and LBA

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Once years ago I bought a few usbs to test.


I had to reformat the San Disk Cruzer Blade 4gb usb
with Hiren's to get it to work.

I have had this issue before with usbs.

One of the worst I came across i >> Comsol....poisonous.
Never had so much trouble.

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Sometimes if you hit the F12 key you can just boot off usb.
But quite often it will not work.

Boot into the bios and look at the hard drives boot order first.

Move the hard drive down....and the USB to the top.

Then save the settings....usually >> F10

Sometimes it is >>> Select >> Advanced

and make the usb >> first drive to boot from.

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And little known but....

Sometimes when even all the above will not work.....

Boot Windows... pop in the usb....restart the machine...

Go to the bios setup...

Check the drives...and finally your usb shows up.

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Some dearer USBs may be better then others and certainly
vice versa is also true.

Take out or turn off USB printers.

Might be a conflict..

Does the USB show in your bios >> as First Boot.

Sometimes even if you select F12 >>> to choose the boot order
it just craps out...won't work.

Choosing the boot order and then hitting F10 >> to save your
new settings often works better.


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From a Linux Mint post:

Yeah mate I've done just that with my Toshiba Satellite A70.

A good old bomb.

Running Linux Mint 14 sweet - off USB bootable!

Use UNetbootin to burn your ISO file on the USB,
then plug in your USB and hit F2 for BIOS settings on reboot.

Go to Boot tab and press Enter to expand the Hard Drives list,

where you'll find your USB stick.

Use F6 to shift it to the top of the list and CRANK IT UP! Cheers! "

http://www.linlap.com/toshiba_satellite_a70

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Youtube How to.

Toshiba How-To: Setting The System Boot Priority in Bios

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-Dx5lPh4E

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Puppy has for years had the Universal installer.
Modern Pups use >> Shinobars >> Grub4DosConfig.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51697

" The name 'Grub4Dos' can be confusing but it is actually

'Grub NOT ONLY for Dos'.

Grub4dos supports many file system: NTFS, VFAT, EXT2, EXT3, EXT4. ReiserFS is supported by v1.6.9 and later.
Grub4dos is upper compatible with (legacy) grub, can do all the legacy grub can do. "

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old reliable HP formatter.

I used to use the HP formatter, simply to see if DOS booted.

If Dos won't boot nothing else will.

The download is in my post.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38704

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=15098

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In Windows I use >> Metapad to edit multiboot usbs.

http://liquidninja.com/metapad/

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A HP that will never boot from usb.

HP Pavilion ze4936ea

http://ip-208-109-22-214.ip.secureserver.net/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90932&sid=c0e9a4f74ccde04a262d8b77574ee60a

" The BIOS on the system does not have the capability to boot
through USB Devices. "

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" The live CD install – excellent.

Can't get USB install to work.
Have tried most possible permutations and combinations.
The motherboard does support booting from a USB FDD,
USB HDD and USB ZIP but no matter which method I choose
it won't boot from the flash drive."

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1801436

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And sometimes in absolute desperation I have

Turned off the laptops....removed AC power....

Removed the battery....and then held the power button
down for at least 30 seconds to fully discharge it.....

re-assembled everything and booted up and USBs start to boot.

I have done this for wireless problems and also
booting issues....sometimes it just works.


Chris.

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slavvo67

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Apr 2014, 20:05    Post subject:  

Norbert:

It is important to understand that Linux is not Win$$$ and that sometimes it requires a substantial amount of additional tolerance to get it working correctly.

When I first started using Puppy (let's call it 3-5 years back), I couldn't get it to connect to wifi if my life depended on it. Puppy has actually advanced greatly since then to a point where I look at a Puppy ISO based off of 5.2.8 and say... wow, was I really using that thing?

Booting from a USB is still a relatively new technology. There are many things to consider such as if your BIOS can boot from USB (I have one that can't), if your USB is bootable or not (and is the USB drive large enough), if all programming parts come over correctly to the USB for booting. I will tell you, if you are having trouble booting from CD, your trouble will probably double booting from USB.

When I have trouble booting a USB, I generally go back and burn the ISO to a CD or DVD. From there, I choose the menu option from the Setup menu to create a bootable USB.

Also, please consider that not all puppies are created equal. Meaning that the puppy your using might not support your particular hardware out of the box, where others may have additional drivers needed for your particular computer.
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WB7ODYFred


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Location: Oregon & Washington

PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 23:19    Post subject: Installing .ISO files to USB Flash Drive  

Norbert, here is a 22 minute Youtube video of installing Wary Puppy 5.5 to a USB Flashdrive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGUi7F2Ittg.

Here is a 5 minute Video to burn a .ISO file to a USB Flash Drive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqj6JJjC1yw

Would like to hear back from you on "How you got PuppyLinux running in your system". Please report what works for you, Norbert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGdkwLpJtMU Install PuppyLinux 5.5

http://www.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm ISORecorder tool to burn .ISO files in Windows XP, Vista, or WIN7 to a CD-R disk or DVD disk.

<h3> Other USB Flash tools</h3>

http://linuxliveusb.com and http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net applications for installing a linux .ISO image file to a USB Flash Drive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNetbootin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems

http://voting-in-rural-america.blogspot.com/2013/07/4-gui-tools-to-use-under-windows-to.html

http://rufus.akeo.ie Here is RUFUS 1.4.9 a Windows program to create a bootable USB Flash drive.

Hope this helps clear up the muddy waters. Smile Watching these Videos may help you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS1B46-9CHA HD Video of Slacko 5.7 installation
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wboz

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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 16:08    Post subject:  

Try a different USB stick. I've had some I simply can't get to boot from. SanDisk primarily but others too.
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jul 2014, 17:38    Post subject:  

Not all flash drives can be set bootable, though it is rarer now than it was a few years ago.
I have some here.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015, 18:46    Post subject: bookmarked  

I run Puppy only from USBs sticks. Bookmarked ( i have to translate this topic)
I never had problems, excepted once. Cruzer pendrives have some software included when you buy them. But it was not blocking. I don't really remeber what i did, but solution was easy.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Nov 2015, 21:22    Post subject:  

The newest SanDisk Cruzer FIT drives do not boot. The are for file storage only. If its USB 3.0 and/or if its 32Gb (exFat) or larger, don't expect these to boot. Stick with USB 2.0 and 16Gb or less to be sure. SanDisk gets full of Windows/Google/Apple $$$ sometimes and makes BATCHES of stuff that don't boot. This has happened before as others have pointed out.
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