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#201 Post by gcmartin »

Hi @Jasper

BLUE and QuirkyTahr (QT) are not ISO supported nor are they multi-sessioned as is found with CD/DVD PUPs and Frugal PUPs.

BLUE and QT are ONLY "full" install distros whose life begins as a full-install USB or a full-install HDD.

Save-sessions have no place and are not a part of full-install systems.

Hope this is helpful

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#202 Post by ETP »

Hi gcmartin,
Post subject: Moving service to running BLUE users not connected to forum
I think that I see what you are getting at here. QT does include that alert when PPM is launched and as a menu item. Any service pack is placed on Ibiblio by BK.
For Blue, possibly being used by non-forum members new to Linux, I would favour a pop-up alert drawn off Google Drive. It is not a high priority however.
Save-sessions have no place and are not a part of full-install systems.
That is not quite so. The snapshot/restore facility is its equivalent.
http://www.bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00034

Also as Billtoo pointed out a couple of posts back it is possible to export all your apps to another copy of Blue or QT.
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#203 Post by gcmartin »

The snapshot/restore facility is its equivalent
Yes @ETP. I'm an ole guy from wayback in the days before DOS. RATHER, Snapshot/Restore is a backup service which I have used many times for my PUPs. But, this is fundamentally different in implementation from save-session which is aimed for CD-DVD-frugal use. There is no boot-time feature builtin where user can interrupt to choose RAM only or select which session one wants eliminated as system boots., etc. This is because the save-session(s) and the base PUP are distinctly separate items; whereas the full-install does not carry that concept.

Until either QT/BLUE chooses to add this structure in or change the underlying workings of the full-install system, "save-session" as is known in frugal-DVD is non existent as a subsystem in QT. (This is not a request for I completely understand advantages that full install provides use)

Stepping aside from save-session and returning to Snapshot/Restore, the USB stick (or the system HDD) should be a part of good user behavior to protect oUr running OS. Snapshot/Restore, I think, is one of the things we, as users, must do for our OSes and especially the data/information/media we create/use/maintain on the system we run.

Thusly too, @BillToo's implementation has some very distinct advantages for incorporation & use.

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#204 Post by 8-bit »

I would like to know the inner workings of Zram and wondered if that feature was included in a full install, if it would minimize writes to a Flash drive.
The os with files would be loaded into Zram as a compressed image and the directory and menus items would be links to expand an application while it was being used and discarded afterward.
But I could be called crazy thinking that.
Being Old School, I still remember when one could use executable zip files that would expand when used and be removed when finished.
There was a utility called Zip2exe that would convert a normal zipped application into one that would expand and open when used/clicked on.

Also, on the subject of installing Blue Pup to a partition on my hard drive, with all the frugal installs of various Puppys on a few partitions and sharing some directories from /mnt/home with each at this point I am not ready to do a hard drive install.
I did make an SFS of the contents of the f2fs partition though that I can open with most Puppy versions.

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#205 Post by rameshiyer »

Please let me know how to install Blue Pup V3 in Hard Disk of PC. Looking for a detailed reply.

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Re: Blue Pup

#206 Post by ETP »

rameshiyer wrote:Please let me know how to install Blue Pup V3 in Hard Disk of PC. Looking for a detailed reply.
Hi rameshiyer,

Details can be found in these two posts:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 231#763231
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 389#770389

If you intend to shrink a Windows NTFS partition it is highly advisable that you first:

A. Do a full hard disc check in Windows followed by a defrag.

B. Backup your whole drive before using Gparted to shrink & then create your new f2fs partition.
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build system for quirky

#207 Post by nancy reagan »

Though I dunno understand what it means bur BK has published the build system for quirky with changes ?

http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00077

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NEW OPTIONAL PET

#208 Post by ETP »

This is an optional dotpet for all versions of Blue Pup. In QT 6 BarryK introduced a feature to check for new service packs. The check could be selected as a menu item or was carried out automatically if PPM was launched.

This pet checks automatically for new pets or service packs at each boot-up without any user intervention.
If either of the above is available an audible and a visual alert will be triggered.

For testing purposes the server based trigger is currently turned on.

The pet (petalert-mk1.pet) can be found here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Please let me know if this .pet performs as expected. Test by re-starting X.
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#209 Post by gcmartin »

I installed the PET to my BLUE on USB. I restarted X. After a short period, while on desktop, I got a pop-up message indicating there exist a "service" on the forum, without specifying where.

Question
Should the PPM be used after the pop-up? Or, how should one proceed after viewing the popup?

Thanks in advance

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#210 Post by step »

Hi ETP, I sent you a PM. Thanks.

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petalert-mk1.pet

#211 Post by ETP »

@ gcmartin,
Question
Should the PPM be used after the pop-up? Or, how should one proceed after viewing the popup?
The message ends with “See forum thread.
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Update

#212 Post by ETP »

THUNDERBIRD

Version 24.5.0 is now available. The simple procedure to update it is descibed in the second post of this thread.


PETALERT-MK1.PET (Released 27th April)

For testing purposes the server based trigger is still currently turned on. It will be turned off on Friday which means that any alerts received after that day will be genuine.
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#213 Post by gcmartin »

My laptop, a Dell Inspiron 6000 does NOT go to sleep when cover closed. Please advise.

Thx

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Laptop - sleep

#214 Post by ETP »

gcmartin wrote:My laptop, a Dell Inspiron 6000 does NOT go to sleep when cover closed. Please advise.

Thx
Hi gcmartin,

The various ACPI elements and key binding tools were never include in QT and are therefore not in Blue. It was commented in the QT thread that it was not really an issue given the speed of shutdown and boot. I do not think that BarryK has ever been a fan of sleep/hibernation preferring the certainty of zero battery drain that shutdown gives.

The various tools are available via PPM if this is a major issue for you and you wish to experiment having first created a snapshot.
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Re: NEW OPTIONAL PET

#215 Post by step »

ETP wrote:This is an optional dotpet for all versions of Blue Pup. In QT 6 BarryK introduced a feature to check for new service packs. The check could be selected as a menu item or was carried out automatically if PPM was launched.

This pet checks automatically for new pets or service packs at each boot-up without any user intervention.
If either of the above is available an audible and a visual alert will be triggered.

For testing purposes the server based trigger is currently turned on.
Please let me know if this .pet performs as expected. Test by re-starting X.
Here it doesn't work as expected. You say it should alert on boot-up. It didn't on two boot-ups. When I restarted X it did alert - due to Thunderbird's availability. But restarting X isn't the intended usage for this pet.

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Re: NEW OPTIONAL PET

#216 Post by ETP »

step wrote:
ETP wrote:This is an optional dotpet for all versions of Blue Pup. In QT 6 BarryK introduced a feature to check for new service packs. The check could be selected as a menu item or was carried out automatically if PPM was launched.

This pet checks automatically for new pets or service packs at each boot-up without any user intervention.
If either of the above is available an audible and a visual alert will be triggered.

For testing purposes the server based trigger is currently turned on.
Please let me know if this .pet performs as expected. Test by re-starting X.
Here it doesn't work as expected. You say it should alert on boot-up. It didn't on two boot-ups. When I restarted X it did alert - due to Thunderbird's availability. But restarting X isn't the intended usage for this pet.
Good morning step,

I don’t understand what you are getting at here. The alert has been turned on for testing purposes since I issued it on 27th April. I will be turning it off in 12 hours time.

What that means is that if you have installed the dotpet anytime after 27th April an audible and visual alert should be triggered at every subsequent boot-up or reboot. It will also be seen and heard if you simply re-start X. Upgrading T’Bird will not stop the alert.

Triggering it by re-starting X is just a quicker way of testing it rather than re-booting having installed the dotpet. If you do test it by re-starting X it should trigger after the Metro live tiles appear.
When exactly did you install the pet?
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Re: NEW OPTIONAL PET

#217 Post by step »

Hi ETP,

I was just reporting the results of my testing the dotpet, which I had installed on April 28th. On May 2nd - after you had issued the TB update - I expected for the dotpet to alert me on each boot-up. I booted up twice. It didn't alert me. Then I restarted X and it did alert me. I think the test failed, because the dotpet should have alerted on boot-up. Testing by restarting X is expedient, but it doesn't reflect the intended usage (boot-up), according to the description you gave of the dotpet.
ETP wrote:
step wrote:
ETP wrote:This is an optional dotpet for all versions of Blue Pup. In QT 6 BarryK introduced a feature to check for new service packs. The check could be selected as a menu item or was carried out automatically if PPM was launched.

This pet checks automatically for new pets or service packs at each boot-up without any user intervention.
If either of the above is available an audible and a visual alert will be triggered.

For testing purposes the server based trigger is currently turned on.
Please let me know if this .pet performs as expected. Test by re-starting X.
Here it doesn't work as expected. You say it should alert on boot-up. It didn't on two boot-ups. When I restarted X it did alert - due to Thunderbird's availability. But restarting X isn't the intended usage for this pet.
Good morning step,

I don’t understand what you are getting at here. The alert has been turned on for testing purposes since I issued it on 27th April. I will be turning it off in 12 hours time.

What that means is that if you have installed the dotpet anytime after 27th April an audible and visual alert should be triggered at every subsequent boot-up or reboot. It will also be seen and heard if you simply re-start X. Upgrading T’Bird will not stop the alert.

Triggering it by re-starting X is just a quicker way of testing it rather than re-booting having installed the dotpet. If you do test it by re-starting X it should trigger after the Metro live tiles appear.
When exactly did you install the pet?

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petalert-mk1.pet

#218 Post by ETP »

Hi step,

You can only report what you find and from my perspective reports of failure are more important than reports of success. The lack of an alert on two occasions may have been due to an internet problem but obviously further testing is needed.

The alert is currently turned off but I will later today issue sp2 and turn it back on when I do so. Service pack 2 is in no way related to the petalert-mk1.pet but affords the opportunity for further testing of the alert.
Many thanks for continuing to test.
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Service Pack 2 for Blue Pups V2 & V3

#219 Post by ETP »

This is a recommended pack. It includes a number of minor tweaks to scripts to improve performance when multiple windows are open and to tile arrangement if the browser has actually been closed.

Given its issue, the alert generated by the optional petalert-mk1.pet has been turned back on and will remain so until late next Friday.
This will allow for further testing of that option.
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bluepup-sp2.pet
Recommended service pack for Blue Pups V2 & V3
(1.05 KiB) Downloaded 442 times
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keep mouse pointer local

#220 Post by step »

Hi ETP,

when I move my mouse pointer to hit the right screen edge and so raise the button panel, the pointer reappears at the top left corner of the button panel. Effectively the pointer warps from the extreme right of the screen to the far left. This spatial dislocation annoys and confounds me. Most of the times, as I'm mentally in the process of retracting from the right edge by dragging the pointer to the left I find the warped pointer hitting the left edge and so raising chrome, which ins't what I want to do. Does it happen to you too?
Can you do something to your scripts to avoid the warping effect? Ideally the mouse pointer should stay in the same position where I drag it, or at least in proximity, regardless of the screen edge. Thank you for your consideration.

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