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fredx181

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 13:26    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
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Fred, I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but check out in 01-v7.squashfs in /opt/bin/new/changes-EXIT-files

Yes, thanks!, it was in the snapmergepuppy script.
Fortunally didn't have to reinvent the wheel Smile
New revision of 021-apps-porteus.xzm: use link in one of my previous posts.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 13:36    Post subject:  

Toni; If Debian uses /menu files reliably, then mk-menu should use them.
I like Free standards, but we`re using Debian, so lets do it the Debian way.
# It only makes sense to use what Debian supports...

I can rewrite mk-menu to read menu files, and keep desktop files as option.
Then debmenu2desktop would not be needed so much.
# Need to check that most .deb packages have menu files ( I`d think so...).
### This could possibly solve our menu problems completely.!
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 13:53    Post subject:  

Terry, I'm sure Debian uses much more reliable /usr/share/menu files since they are the structure of debian update-menus system.
Unfortunately some package developers do not make menu files for debian menu system and have only desktop packages included. This is the future package management behaviour. This means debian packages outside debian wheezy repository may not have menu files included. Debian developers maybe will follow this method for the next stable debian or try to adapt current debian menu to use desktop files.
If we change the menu method it is better to use desktop files. This way we will have separate working replacement for debian menu system.

I think there is no point to try to replace debian menus system using the same menu files just to get different menu structure.

Edit: Terry, it is better to test a few days mk-jwm.menu before starting work to convert and copy new menu -> desktop files after every new installed package. Maybe the missing desktop files will not be too many and we can use manual convert as option.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 14:15    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Fortunally didn't have to reinvent the wheel Smile
New revision of 021-apps-porteus.xzm: use link in one of my previous posts.

Thank you, Fred Smile
I usually keep the files for next modules easy to be found by me in the main module. Otherwise I will forget what else needs to be changed.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 14:26    Post subject:  

I`d think that Debian packages would have at least one of the files.

I`ll work on detecting new menu files, and making new desktop files.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 14:48    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
I`ll work on detecting new menu files, and making new desktop files.

OK, Terry. It will be best to auto-convert and auto-copy missing desktop files from menu files while new package is installed.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 15:36    Post subject:  

Hi Terry,
Testing your new mk-menu on again installing audacity gave the same result as before:
in /root/.jwm/jwm.main: (I think that's new config file now)
Code:
  <Program label="Audacity" icon="audacity">audacity</Program>


Trying out your later posted "mk-jwm.main" and putting it in /opt/bin created a mess for me, don't know why.
No panel, theme changed, etc..
Maybe I did something wrong...

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 15:37    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
William, here's a new 021-apps-porteus.xzm updated for JWM.
Just replace with this one in the 'base' folder.
changes=EXIT:/ and choice to save or not should work then.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByBgCDlZZ8K5N0pUN1RHdlNZRWs/edit?usp=sharing


Very good Fred. Save or not save choice is working great now. Helps keep the changes persistence directory nice and clean.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 15:43    Post subject:  

Toni, I'm still trying to find the best way to make sure the background is Stretched at boot time. The Apply button in Terry's Wallpaper gui program doesn't seem to work. At the moment I am having to manually edit ~/.wallpapers/wallpapers.lst, changing Scale to Stretch. I presume that will only work if ~/.desktop.conf is set to Run=on (manually or via Terry's wallpaper gui)?

The second thing I'm having trouble with concerned with this is: assuming Run=off for wallpapers, where does the initial background come from so that I can Stretch that too?

EDIT: the initial background does stay Stretched on reboot even with Run=off, so I guess I've partly answered my second question - the initial background somehow also checks first item in ~/.wallpapers/wallpapers.lst

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 15:53    Post subject:  

Hi William
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Very good Fred. Save or not save choice is working great now. Helps keep the changes persistence directory nice and clean.

Great!
I'd like to mention,in case you don't know, that a savefile on NTFS works with porteus boot-method.(but indeed not with a directory)
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 15:56    Post subject:  

Hi, William.
I will change all to strech for the next version. it does not make any change on my hardware anyway if it is stretch or scale. I see stretch does not work from GUI.

AFAIK Terry made the default wallpaper to be the first wallpaper from $home/.wallpapers/wallpapers.list

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 16:06    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:

I'd like to mention,in case you don't know, that a savefile on NTFS works with porteus boot-method.(but indeed not with a directory)
Fred


Oh, that's interesting. Very important for some users I think. Any idea what the difference is that allows it to work?

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 16:07    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
Code:
  <Program label="Audacity" icon="audacity">audacity</Program>

Hi, Fred.
This is really strange because I get icon for audacious (installed with apt-get) without changing anything.

Terry, I do not use any of the files from here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90660&start=1890
They break the menu changing as also Fred reported.
If I use only your last mk-jwm.main it works fine.
Do we have to use also the files from page 127 here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90660&start=1890
If we do i need to adopt the menu change puppy - debian to this files.

Toni

Edit: Sorry, Fred. My mistake. I have audacious installed instead audacity. You are right about audacity missing menu icon but it is fixed in the latest mk-jwm.main from Terry. See my next post.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 16:08    Post subject:  

Just a small suggestion for DebianDog beta iso release. I think it would be good to have http://murga-linux.com/puppy in Dillo bookmarks. Dillo bookmarks are weird to set up (!), for from intuitive for users so I think it would be good to set up one or two for them so at least it is clear that it works (it does).
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Mar 2014, 16:21    Post subject:  

Fred, about audacity:
Use fresh 01-v7.squashfs and after installing audacity copy over this mk-jwm.main on top of the previous one. Do nothing else.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=75682
Terry did a good job. You will see audacity icon in menu-puppy.

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