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Todd

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2006, 04:19    Post_subject:  iPup (60 MB)  

Updated 2007/06/08:

Brand new iPup based on 2.13 with Firefox, glibc 2.4 (for Flash) and Flash:

http://www.ipup.info/

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2006, 04:54    Post_subject:  

That should suit a lot of people
Put it on the wiki news here:)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/LatestNews

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raffy

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2006, 09:30    Post_subject: Nice  

Hey, nice art there. Will test this build soon. Thanks!

Edit: Using it now. Really a light Puppy. How about hiding the Info Managers and Games in the menu, as they have no entry? Also, some added notes in the splash page and in the help file may be needed to clarify the nature of this build. As to the init script, should it not display "iPup 2.11 - LitePup based on Puppy 2.11", or just "LitePup 2.11"?

Hey, this spell-checker in the browser is really helpful. Cheers!

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Nevermore

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2006, 10:02    Post_subject:  

that would be perfect for my university..
i was wondering if anyone succeed in frugal install in a fat 32 disk where no other OS are available..
is around 1 month i keep trying with grub for dos, but i don't know how to make it work!

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2006, 14:05    Post_subject:  

IPup is responsive with just enough features for everyday usage - I'm using it now.
Meanwhile, has anyone else looked under Root? When I started having a browse around, I discovered a Puppy-2.10-multimedia.iso in there. Was it part of the original download? If so, a 'Download one, get another, free' approach is hard to better! Just for fun, I burnt the 'hitch-hiker' to CD. It works, perfectly.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Oct 2006, 01:54    Post_subject: flash  

Not that I miss it, but is Flash working? It seems it is not, but I could be wrong.
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Todd

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Oct 2006, 11:31    Post_subject: Flash  

Barry, in his build of Seamonkey, includes flash. I agree that Flash is needed, but I leave that up to the end user. Personally, I find Flash and Java are a must. (Firefox has very well build engines for installing these plugins.)

Sincerely,

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Oct 2006, 15:09    Post_subject: Reasons for not including Flash and Java  

Call me a purist, but I don't want to build any iso's that include proprietary software. Both Flash and Java are definitely proprietary.

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setecio

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2006, 08:13    Post_subject:  

Can I install this (IPup) to the hard disc on a computer with only 64MB ram and have it run without a swap file ?

If not how much does it slow puppy down to be running it with 64MB and a swap file, compared to 128MB without a swap ?
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2006, 08:54    Post_subject: need swap  

You can run it but with a hard drive, where it will look for or create swap.

Using a swap partition, the speed reduction shouldn't be much, as iPup is already small. We will be interested to know your results if you experiment. Smile

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setecio

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2006, 09:27    Post_subject:  

Since it needs a swap partition, I will try the full Puppy first, and if it is too slow then I will try iPup.

I was really looking for something that did away with the need for a swap partition on 64MB. Sad

I'll let you know the results, if I try it.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2006, 12:16    Post_subject: Let me build you a custom ISO  

While building IPup I found exactly what I can leave out and what I can keep in. If you don't have a swap partition, Puppy uses your root directory. (I don't know the techinical reasons, but I have noticed that the available memory is not bigger that your available space in root (assuming that root fills the available space on the USB not taken by Puppy).) Anyway, the key is to make your puppy as small as you can. I can build you a custom puppy with only what you need. If I can keep it to say 40 MB, that will give you 16 MB for root, giving you 16MB of memory. (For some reason, puppy cannot fill the whole USB. It needs 8 MB residual space.) That should be enough memory to surf the net (as long as you disable caching) or run AbiWord.

Tell me what you absolutely need and I will build you an ISO.

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setecio

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Nov 2006, 14:42    Post_subject:  

Unfortunately a decent word processor is one of the things needed.

Thank-you for your offer, but I wouldn't want you to waste time building one just for me, because I'm not really sure enough about what is needed. Probably internet, emails, decent word processor, printing, ethernet maybe, or USB bb modem, dial up modem.

But I think if I do load it on the laptop I will just wipe and re-partition the drive, create a swap file and load the full Puppy. I think it will work fine, but if it doesn't I might come back and request your help.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Nov 2006, 19:14    Post_subject: Reply to Raffy. . .  

Raffy, I am sorry! It took me a while to notice that you had added to your comment. IPup is my attempt to make a puplet for use with machines without CD/DVD's. I have spoken with Barry and I plan maintain both LitePup and IPup. LitePup is basically just the standard version stripped down. I plan on making IPup its own distribution. That is why I didn't include a number after the name. My "modus operandi" in all of my organizing is to not number the first of anything. (The second gets numbered, but not the first.)

Sincerely,

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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Nov 2006, 21:49    Post_subject: iPup  

iPup (yes, that's small "i") is indeed a very attractive build - one that lets the user operate a client device as an Internet kiosk cum typewriter (word processing) with pages sent to a network printer.

The challenge right now is being able to do that in 128 MB RAM, no hard disk. So I hope that in your tests, you would unplug that hard drive. Very Happy

Legions of users are waiting for iPup - and they've got a good guy working on it. Wink

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