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zaivala

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jan 2014, 15:33    Post subject:  

zaivala wrote:
rcrsn51 wrote:
zaivala wrote:
Mostly because CUPS is not much liking my printer, even though there is a Linux driver for it.

Have you asked for help with your printer?


Nope. Mostly my autism-induced timidity -- I think I've fixed the problem but have to be in a good space before I can test it.


I did get it to work before sending the machine in to be restored.

I have it back now. I do not have it booting quite right -- it will boot Puppy IF I hold the Esc key while booting. I want to get it to where it will boot from the CD just because it's there, which pre-UEFI systems did. I'm told it can be done, just haven't found it yet.

Now I have to get all my PUP files restored and configure it. Again. Relearn the mistakes I made and fixed last time. Sux being me LOL.

Edited to add 1/21: Wow. Boot sequence was not that hard, just had to go in and change #1 to the DVD drive... after enabling CSM. Old BIOS was much easier though, and I didn't even *have* to do this.
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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jan 2014, 19:49    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
shagguar you forgot to mention that one have to set
Win 8 to not be in sleep mode when you do the Partition
created. That is warned about on internet in many places

One would easily destroy Win 8 if one don't do that properly

That is from my faulty memory and it could have been changed
in later version if Win8.1 or so but the first was always in sleep
mode by default so one need to start it up in Win 8
and tell it to not be in sleep mode or else it could
have important system file over written

Correct me if I am wrog. Maybe you just had an incredible luck?


Yes, I heard of that danger, too. So far I haven't molested my wife's win8 laptop, but I have two of my windows machines, an XP and a Win7, running multiple versions of puppy. What I did was to install a 2nd hard drive in each windows machine for Puppy only, and install Grub4dos on the puppy hard drive. I had tried the coexist thing in the past and didn't like all the fiddling.

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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jan 2014, 21:05    Post subject:  

sleep and fast boot bug still exists and almost twice as bad in 8.1 ie it turns the mode back even when not by user. I just expect a cleanup on win8.1 each boot. but it only seems to effect user files...
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nooby

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Feb 2014, 18:24    Post subject:  

I love you guys for helping me out.

I bought a Packard Bell Easy Note UEFI modern comp thursday
and use Explorer now to reach you so now
I need to read up on how turn off UEFI
and do a frugal install of Puppy that one
can choose at boot time. 27/

Any help offered 2would be highly valued

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Feb 2014, 03:45    Post subject:  

Okay I will use the well minded to see what I find
Wellminded google search seems to be down?

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Feb 2014, 08:34    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Another fascinating comment from that article:
Code:
YOU (techies) who think that the world is some free open society where everything should be allowed is:  immature, unrealistic, self serving, obnoxious, unsophisticated and lives in a bubble.  YOU (techies) are just a small percent of any population like any clique or group or organization.  YOU’RE needs do not, cannot and will not dictate the wants and needs of us all. 

I am often stunned by the deliberately blind attitudes of those who are part of the 'group'. So many people are really happy to be inside the bell curve as long as their chosen masters keep them fed and entertained. Doesn't matter how much control gets exerted by those masters, or how many unreasonable restrictions there are, or how many people die to fund the welfare of the 'group' - as long as the telly stays on and the entertainment keeps on coming...

Sorry if I'm straying off topic but I really want a world where I make my own decisions about what I do with my hardware and my internet access. Punish those who do wrong but leave the rest of us alone and stop limiting us and spying on us.

{end of personal rant}

Such an insightful text. Mentally blind to how sinister and
not caring the Investors in IT can be. If they get Money from Selling
our personal info and if the law has loopholes than thy just do it.

At least that is my impression. I can be wrong

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 00:21    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
I love you guys for helping me out.

I bought a Packard Bell Easy Note UEFI modern comp thursday
and use Explorer now to reach you so now
I need to read up on how turn off UEFI
and do a frugal install of Puppy that one
can choose at boot time. 27/

Any help offered 2would be highly valued

in http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=761552#761552 nooby wrote:

i KNOW ME A COMPLETE FOOL BUT
I hope that Ted Dog and other friends
can stand my naive questions

Suppose I have a standard frugal of Cruchband which
happen to be the case now at the hospital.

I forgot the take with Linux Mind frugal rcrns51 method.

That was a bit background

Now Q.
How do I get into the biots to turn the protection off?
How do I get the Dir seen at boot time

I would prefer to not write a MBR something

I bought the device yesterday
Please help me get going with Puppy on UEFI frugal


What I found nooby, {with an aggressive web search: That is, with the startpage search engine I searched for:
Code:
Packard Bell EasyNote TE11HC +bios +setup +howto
} Which search eventually led me to these pages from packard bell's online support:

Document ID: 27044
Changing BIOS mode from UEFI to Legacy
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27044


Document ID: 27102
Accessing the UEFI (BIOS) setup on a Windows 8 system
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27102


And since the change bios link specifically mentions completely shutting down:

Document ID: 26264
Shutting Down Your Computer in Windows 8
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26264

Hope that's what your looking for...

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 02:23    Post subject:  

jtwdyp wrote:
nooby wrote:
I love you guys for helping me out.

I bought the device yesterday
Please help me get going with Puppy on UEFI frugal


What I found nooby, {with an aggressive web search: That is, with the startpage search engine I searched for:
Code:
Packard Bell EasyNote TE11HC +bios +setup +howto
} Which search eventually led me to these pages from packard bell's online support:

Document ID: 27044
Changing BIOS mode from UEFI to Legacy
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27044


Document ID: 27102
Accessing the UEFI (BIOS) setup on a Windows 8 system
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27102


And since the change bios link specifically mentions completely shutting down:

Document ID: 26264
Shutting Down Your Computer in Windows 8
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26264

Hope that's what your looking for...


Much much appreciated

I should have tried out such google search myself but

But I often fail to put in the right key Words but you must have found
the right such.

I look at it Sat night or Sunday or Monday but Tuesday I leave the
Hospital for paliative care and hit home and have a lot of cloth qashing
to so Smile

So if success I write about it here in thread.

one year ago some people got unlucky and had much trouble
getting working computer after testing but coming from
ACER Packard Bell it should just work Smile

Thanks indeed for providing these/those links

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 00:31    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
jtwdyp wrote:
Hope that's what your looking for...


Much much appreciated

I should have tried out such google search myself but

But I often fail to put in the right key Words but you must have found
the right such.

I hear that. finding the right keywords can be hard.

It helps to know how to use "+" "-" "AND" "OR" & "()" But even with the right search string, the search engines don't always cooperate. And the results vary from one search engine to the next. So if one doesn't do it for me, I'll often try again with another.

Also, I've often had better luck when I include a model number in the search string.
And depending on what your looking for, adding "howto" or "wiki" can sometimes work wonders...

Quote:

I look at it Sat night or Sunday or Monday but Tuesday I leave the
Hospital for paliative care and hit home and have a lot of cloth qashing
to so Smile

So if success I write about it here in thread.

one year ago some people got unlucky and had much trouble
getting working computer after testing but coming from
ACER Packard Bell it should just work Smile

Thanks indeed for providing these/those links


Well you see I was a bit curious myself... So I didn't mind digging for a bit. Some of that info is only good for Packard Bell PC's, but the stuff on how to get win 8 to cooperate is/was priceless...

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 06:19    Post subject:  

Sometimes"priceless" is the right Word

All those time one did not make a link and
then spent hours or Days trying to find it again
not knowing


Precious precious hehe I am teasing

I met this precious Girl that I lived with for some 10 years

Every guy Went crazy over her looks Eyes Hair well the whole being.
No way the more manly guys would let me have her alone

So we separated. I still long for to hold her tight but she refuse.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 12:07    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Precious precious hehe I am teasing

I met this precious Girl that I lived with for some 10 years

Every guy Went crazy over her looks Eyes Hair well the whole being.
No way the more manly guys would let me have her alone

So we separated. I still long for to hold her tight but she refuse.


Hmmnn, Not quite the same thing but:

That tale kinda reminds me of an old Led Zeppelin song... Something about "days of old"... "a girl so fair" ... and somebody "crept up and slipped away with her" ... "and ain't nothin' I can do, no ...I guess I'll keep on ramblin"

I think it was the word precious which made me think of the characters who allegedly slipped away with the girl in the song... AhHa, I found it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HemKGDavw

Hope you enjoyed the tune. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 14:16    Post subject:  

Is this the thread to share how to boot puppy or general Linux
on a changed UEFI?

I completely shut it down to not have fast boot rnning.

I hold down the Power button for 5 seconds.

Then I Catch UEFI Bios with hitting F2 during the boot upp

It does not show any legaxy boot though.

Edit the solution to what above

You change a password in the now avialable legacy BIOS

Do I have to do a puppy install then from DVD or from USB

I know way too little to set up a menu.lst
What I need now is to get the puppy files
over to the HD and to find a way that boot
is seen at start up which fails now

any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 14:39    Post subject:  

Can I take the grldr and menu.lst and just copy to
/ I trust it need to MBR first?
I Went into bios again but failed to get it to boot the usb
usimg F12

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 07:08    Post subject:  

I've not read though it as I don't have a uefi system to play with, but see if this helps:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 12:08    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Can I take the grldr and menu.lst and just copy to
/ I trust it need to MBR first?
I Went into bios again but failed to get it to boot the usb
usimg F12




NO Exclamation

you will quicky kill machine and It will not recover if you try to mix and match old methods when machine harddrive setup to new methods. People have done a mix and match but STEP one is fresh unformatted harddrive. if you have not learned to backup and restore windows8 practice this before changing and playing with fire.
You can boot to BIOS mode and should replace win8 physical harddrive with something else and then treat the new computer as you did old methods.
Treat the builtin harddrive as off limits even if your version of linux can see and mount partions. Windows expects to OWN everything on the Harddrive and is really sloppy and using hacks and shortcuts to make hardware fast boot. If you did not do a complete shutdown of windows8 using its shutdown then even if you pulled the power cord and removed battery you STILL HAVEN DONE A FULL SHUTDOWN. Turning off the machine is NOT the same as a full shutdown any more. Windows goes into a sloppy mode to fast boot and leaves the hardrive full of half done cruft that it expects to be in same exact shape as it was when power was cut.
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