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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sun 05 Jan 2014, 08:46 Post subject:
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I was talking about gettext-tools in slacko's package manager.
Don't know whether it is the same or not.
Bon appétit
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mariojrmatos

Joined: 03 Jan 2014 Posts: 12 Location: OFC: PT and NL | DMA: Worldwide
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Posted: Tue 21 Jan 2014, 14:01 Post subject:
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Great work, L18L.
Thanks to Barry, you, Bert and vicmz I was able to release the first pt_PT translation for Puppy. (see why).
I can't express my gratitude...
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 08:06 Post subject:
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mariojrmatos wrote: | I can't express my gratitude... |
Yes you can
You have done it right now
Thank you and welcome.
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don570

Joined: 10 Mar 2010 Posts: 4988 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Tue 18 Feb 2014, 16:38 Post subject:
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I was using momanager in Quirky tahr , it worked well however I realized
that the .desktop file is not appropriate for language packs.
It requires translations of the name so that non-English speakers
can understand the function of program.
Barry Kauler needs to be notified of this problem.
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[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=MoManager create non-English Puppy
Name[fr]=MoManager - pour traduire
Name[de]=MoManager - Übersetzung kontrollieren
Icon=chooselocale.xpm
Comment=MoManager create non-English translations
Exec=momanager
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=X-Utility-development
GenericName=MoManager
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Botanic

Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 241 Location: Toulouse, France
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Posted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 06:09 Post subject:
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Hello guys,
I just installed Slacko with a full install, then downloaded the lang_pack_fr and loaded it, but nothing happened.
I tried launching Momanager from the console and it complains that PUPMODE = 3 (full install) thus aborting.
Maybe the correct way was to install it when I ran it the first time, before doing the full install? Is there a way to do it now? (I just spent the all day yesterday to set it up!! ^^)
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 09:39 Post subject:
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Botanic wrote: | I just installed Slacko with a full install, then downloaded the lang_pack_fr and loaded it, but nothing happened. | What did you expect to happen after restarting x server?
Botanic wrote: | I tried launching Momanager from the console and it complains that PUPMODE = 3 (full install) thus aborting.
... Is there a way to do it now? (I just spent the all day yesterday to set it up!! ^^) |
Does your /usr/sbin/momanager contain this line:
Code: | #131219 enable quirky6.0: no check on pupmode | ?
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 10:06 Post subject:
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don570,
my translation which is used in langpack_de is
MoManager bringt Puppy deutsch bei
and this means that
MoManager teaches Puppy German
I cannot see any problem with this.
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don570

Joined: 10 Mar 2010 Posts: 4988 Location: Ontario
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Posted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 16:21 Post subject:
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The version that Barry Kauler uses (in Woof) has a desktop that is pure
English. So he should be warned.
The people who make language packs have made changes to their
desktop files obviously.
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vicmz

Joined: 15 Jan 2012 Posts: 1268
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Posted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 17:42 Post subject:
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It's OK to have a translated .desktop file to let users know what's about, maybe it's just not in Barry Kauler's plans. When he said Momanager is English-only, he was serious. Why would a translator need translations? A Puppy translator must have an excellent knowledge of English and how Puppy Linux works.
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vicmz

Joined: 15 Jan 2012 Posts: 1268
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Posted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 18:55 Post subject:
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Slacko 5.6.5.6 has an old version of Momanager. I can't create or update translation files, I can't run newer versions of Momanager either. It says a library is missing, when I install that library it says I need libraries.
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 05:36 Post subject:
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don570 wrote: | The people who make language packs have made changes to their desktop files obviously. |
Yes, and the people who use language packs are seeing the translations of their installed language packs only.
Who does not have French langpack_fr installed is not seeing French translation of "MoManager create non-English Puppy ".
Who does not have German langpack_de installed is not seeing German translation of "MoManager create non-English Puppy ".
I do not thank that Barry is using MoManager
He has coded it.
He has coded it in a genious way.
And we users (of MoMager) extend it, that's it. That's the way how free software works.
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 06:45 Post subject:
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vicmz wrote: | Slacko 5.6.5.6 has an old version of Momanager. I can't create or update translation files, I can't run newer versions of Momanager either. It says a library is missing, when I install that library it says I need libraries. |
Trying to reproduce your observation
I am running slack05.6.5.6 pfix=ram now
devx_slacko_5.6.5.6.sfs loaded on-the-fly
I did choose 1st entry of "Scripts that do not have a mo file"
and rc.shutdown.po was opened in geany.
msgfmt works:
Code: | # msgfmt
msgfmt: no input file given
Try `msgfmt --help' for more information.
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Thus builtin MoManager (official from #130807) works for me.
Which one of the unofficial MoManagers are you trying to use?
Did you load devx_slacko_5.6.5.6?
I am planning to post another version of MoManager soon (found a bug in my implementation "Actual" vs "Check needed")
Thanks for posting.
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 14:01 Post subject:
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What's new
- no more special handling for Quirky
- bug fixed with "up-to-date" and "check-needed"
The picture is showing all is up-to-date
Note,
if all #~ in po file are removed, ex:
Code: | #: ui_Classic.sh:34 ui_Ziggy.sh:65
msgid "Quirky Package Manager"
msgstr "Quirky Paketmanager"
#~ msgid "Puppy Package Manager"
#~ msgstr "Puppy Paketmanager"
| ...and it will be good for Puppy and Quirky
Please give some feedback before I am going to submit it to woof.
EDIT
download recent MoManager from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81259&start=169 which can find fuzzy translations
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vicmz

Joined: 15 Jan 2012 Posts: 1268
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Posted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 15:34 Post subject:
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L18L wrote: |
Trying to reproduce your observation
I am running slack05.6.5.6 pfix=ram now
devx_slacko_5.6.5.6.sfs loaded on-the-fly
I did choose 1st entry of "Scripts that do not have a mo file"
and rc.shutdown.po was opened in geany.
msgfmt works:
Code: | # msgfmt
msgfmt: no input file given
Try `msgfmt --help' for more information.
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Thus builtin MoManager (official from #130807) works for me.
Which one of the unofficial MoManagers are you trying to use?
Did you load devx_slacko_5.6.5.6?
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In RAM mode and devx loaded buitin Momanager works, but the same with the langpack installed gives errors trying to update strings. For example, I chose quicksetup from the list of existing translations, clicked 'edit' and got what you can see in the screenshots above. This means a new langpack would have to be created from the beginning, not a practical solution.
The unofficial FFMM versions I tried (to be able to use POedit and make translations faster, builtin Momanager does not allow these) were 20131110 and 20140104, they load but the window never shows up, only a window button on the taskbar is visible.
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: www.eussenheim.de/
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Posted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 16:51 Post subject:
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vicmz wrote: | The unofficial FFMM versions I tried (to be able to use POedit and make translations faster, builtin Momanager does not allow these) were 20131110 and 20140104, they load but the window never shows up, only a window button on the taskbar is visible. | That was because slacko's gtkdialog does not display with --geometry parameter.
Anyhow please try recent momanager-20140223 that is really a "release candidate" for woof-CE.
Thank you
EDIT
vicmz,
I am now in slacko5.5.6 using momanager-140223
Nothing special with my quickset.po
(maybe there is something faulty in your langpack_es?)
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