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L18L

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014, 08:46    Post subject:  
Bert wrote:
Are you talking about these gettext-tools?

I was talking about gettext-tools in slacko's package manager.
Don't know whether it is the same or not. Embarassed

Bon appétit Laughing Laughing Laughing
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mariojrmatos


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Location: OFC: PT and NL | DMA: Worldwide
PostPosted: Tue 21 Jan 2014, 14:01    Post subject:  MoManager
Subject description: Thank you!		  
Great work, L18L.

Thanks to Barry, you, Bert and vicmz I was able to release the first pt_PT translation for Puppy. (see why).

I can't express my gratitude... Wink

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L18L

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 08:06    Post subject: Re: MoManager
Subject description: Thank you!		  
mariojrmatos wrote:
I can't express my gratitude...

Yes you can
You have done it right now
Thank you and welcome.

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don570


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PostPosted: Tue 18 Feb 2014, 16:38    Post subject:  
I was using momanager in Quirky tahr , it worked well however I realized
that the .desktop file is not appropriate for language packs.
It requires translations of the name so that non-English speakers
can understand the function of program.
Barry Kauler needs to be notified of this problem.

Code:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=MoManager create non-English Puppy
Name[fr]=MoManager - pour traduire
Name[de]=MoManager - Übersetzung kontrollieren
Icon=chooselocale.xpm
Comment=MoManager create non-English translations
Exec=momanager
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=X-Utility-development
GenericName=MoManager

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Botanic


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 06:09    Post subject: FR language pack issue  
Hello guys,
I just installed Slacko with a full install, then downloaded the lang_pack_fr and loaded it, but nothing happened.
I tried launching Momanager from the console and it complains that PUPMODE = 3 (full install) thus aborting.

Maybe the correct way was to install it when I ran it the first time, before doing the full install? Is there a way to do it now? (I just spent the all day yesterday to set it up!! ^^)
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L18L

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 09:39    Post subject: Re: FR language pack issue  
Botanic wrote:
I just installed Slacko with a full install, then downloaded the lang_pack_fr and loaded it, but nothing happened.
What did you expect to happen after restarting x server?

Botanic wrote:
I tried launching Momanager from the console and it complains that PUPMODE = 3 (full install) thus aborting.
... Is there a way to do it now? (I just spent the all day yesterday to set it up!! ^^)

Does your /usr/sbin/momanager contain this line:
Code:
#131219 enable quirky6.0: no check on pupmode
?
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 10:06    Post subject: MoManager .desktop  
don570,
my translation which is used in langpack_de is

MoManager bringt Puppy deutsch bei

and this means that
MoManager teaches Puppy German

I cannot see any problem with this.
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don570


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PostPosted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 16:21    Post subject:  
The version that Barry Kauler uses (in Woof) has a desktop that is pure
English. So he should be warned.


The people who make language packs have made changes to their
desktop files obviously.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 17:42    Post subject:  
It's OK to have a translated .desktop file to let users know what's about, maybe it's just not in Barry Kauler's plans. When he said Momanager is English-only, he was serious. Why would a translator need translations? A Puppy translator must have an excellent knowledge of English and how Puppy Linux works.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Feb 2014, 18:55    Post subject:  
Slacko 5.6.5.6 has an old version of Momanager. I can't create or update translation files, I can't run newer versions of Momanager either. It says a library is missing, when I install that library it says I need libraries.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 05:36    Post subject:  
don570 wrote:
The people who make language packs have made changes to their desktop files obviously.

Yes, and the people who use language packs are seeing the translations of their installed language packs only.
Who does not have French langpack_fr installed is not seeing French translation of "MoManager create non-English Puppy ".
Who does not have German langpack_de installed is not seeing German translation of "MoManager create non-English Puppy ".

I do not thank that Barry is using MoManager
He has coded it.
He has coded it in a genious way.
And we users (of MoMager) extend it, that's it. That's the way how free software works.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 06:45    Post subject:  
vicmz wrote:
Slacko 5.6.5.6 has an old version of Momanager. I can't create or update translation files, I can't run newer versions of Momanager either. It says a library is missing, when I install that library it says I need libraries.

Trying to reproduce your observation
I am running slack05.6.5.6 pfix=ram now
devx_slacko_5.6.5.6.sfs loaded on-the-fly

I did choose 1st entry of "Scripts that do not have a mo file"
and rc.shutdown.po was opened in geany.
msgfmt works:
Code:
# msgfmt
msgfmt: no input file given
Try `msgfmt --help' for more information.
#

Thus builtin MoManager (official from #130807) works for me.

Which one of the unofficial MoManagers are you trying to use?
Did you load devx_slacko_5.6.5.6?

I am planning to post another version of MoManager soon (found a bug in my implementation "Actual" vs "Check needed")

Thanks for posting.
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L18L

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 14:01    Post subject: MoManager
Subject description: new version 20140223		  
What's new
- no more special handling for Quirky
- bug fixed with "up-to-date" and "check-needed"


The picture is showing all is up-to-date

Note,
if all #~ in po file are removed, ex:
Code:
#: ui_Classic.sh:34 ui_Ziggy.sh:65
msgid "Quirky Package Manager"
msgstr "Quirky Paketmanager"

#~ msgid "Puppy Package Manager"
#~ msgstr "Puppy Paketmanager"
...and it will be good for Puppy and Quirky


Please give some feedback before I am going to submit it to woof.


EDIT
download recent MoManager from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81259&start=169 which can find fuzzy translations
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vicmz


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PostPosted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 15:34    Post subject:  
L18L wrote:

Trying to reproduce your observation
I am running slack05.6.5.6 pfix=ram now
devx_slacko_5.6.5.6.sfs loaded on-the-fly

I did choose 1st entry of "Scripts that do not have a mo file"
and rc.shutdown.po was opened in geany.
msgfmt works:
Code:
# msgfmt
msgfmt: no input file given
Try `msgfmt --help' for more information.
#

Thus builtin MoManager (official from #130807) works for me.

Which one of the unofficial MoManagers are you trying to use?
Did you load devx_slacko_5.6.5.6?


In RAM mode and devx loaded buitin Momanager works, but the same with the langpack installed gives errors trying to update strings. For example, I chose quicksetup from the list of existing translations, clicked 'edit' and got what you can see in the screenshots above. This means a new langpack would have to be created from the beginning, not a practical solution.

The unofficial FFMM versions I tried (to be able to use POedit and make translations faster, builtin Momanager does not allow these) were 20131110 and 20140104, they load but the window never shows up, only a window button on the taskbar is visible.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Feb 2014, 16:51    Post subject:  
vicmz wrote:
The unofficial FFMM versions I tried (to be able to use POedit and make translations faster, builtin Momanager does not allow these) were 20131110 and 20140104, they load but the window never shows up, only a window button on the taskbar is visible.
That was because slacko's gtkdialog does not display with --geometry parameter.

Anyhow please try recent momanager-20140223 that is really a "release candidate" for woof-CE.

Thank you

EDIT

vicmz,
I am now in slacko5.5.6 using momanager-140223
Nothing special with my quickset.po
(maybe there is something faulty in your langpack_es?)
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