Slacko64 - 64 bit Puppy - 6 Feb 2014

[Jades]

Testing Slacko64 5.8.8 on the Pentium D has revealed mixed results. The good news is that it boots from the CD and I managed to create a 1GB ext4 pupsave on the usual NTFS-formatted hard drive (a 160GB one with the XP install on).

Unfortunately, I can't get the networking set up. None of the network setup tools can see the Netgear WN111v2 USB wireless dongle. The strange thing is that I have had a look at lsmod and the new system info tool (can't remember the name) and it looks like all of the required modules are loaded. Main firmware module is carl9170.

[zigbert]

Overall - Very nice !
Without catalyst I only got a brief look.

2 comments:

gFnRename is not included, and I agree - one batch-rename-app is enough. The problem is that pRename is very limited and gFnRename has some bugs. I guess this only tell us that we miss a decent app.

The xsaneshell is not the one that is found in Woof-CE.

[zigbert]

This is not specific for Slacko 64, but happens for all Puppies.

Somehow, the global gtkthemes cooperates differently with app-specific gtk-themes.
The following pics shows Phacile-blue, Rockstar and Stardust.
Look at the Wizardwizard heading that is coded yellow in its own gtk-theme. The same for the pBurn bar. Phacile-blue works for pBurn, but not for Wizardwizard. Rockstar doesn't work at all, while Stardust does both.

Do anyone know why this happens and how to get it work properly for 'all' themes?

[Ray MK]

JFYI - looking very nice - seems fast and all appears to work as expected OOTB.
Will report any gremlins if they arise. Thanks for this luvly puppy.
# uname -a
Linux puppypc12559 3.13.1 #1 SMP Wed Feb 5 10:46:21 EST 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 370 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1788092 772564 1015528 0 55576
-/+ buffers: 716988 1071104
Swap: 0 0 0
# uptime
21:35:33 up 55 min, 1 user, load average: 0.32, 0.29, 0.84
#
Edit - just noticed - no battery info in hardinfo and no battery icon in tray.

[gcmartin]

Hi @01Micko

This might be a clue: My MBs have 2 LAN adapters of which NOTHING is plugged into eth0. Cables all plugged into eth1. Could there be something in distro's starting that causes it to ONLY look to eth0.

(I remember this being an issue with FATDOG5xx and Kirk addressing this. And, I believe it may have been a problem addressed in Barry's or other PUPs, too, requiring resolution.)

Hope this helps

[Ted Dog]

Any chance it will reduce in size by final. Was going to try EFI boot with minimac and now too large...

[Ghost Dog]

Will the finished version have UEFI support?

Kind of important if we're going to keep Puppy a modern OS, dontcha think?

[01micko]

@Jades

My bad . I knew carl9170-1.fw needed moving to /lib/firmware.

You could try this:

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mv /lib/modules/all-firmware/carl9170/lib/firmware/carl9170/carl9170-1.fw /lib/firmware
rm -r /lib/modules/all-firmware/carl9170/lib/firmware/carl9170/

Then reboot.

@L18L

Works . Also we need is some translations and it can go into woof-CE (32 also). (vicmz? rodin.s?)

As for FD64, you would need to build BaCon in that I think. Its glibc and other libs are older. Bacon compiles in FD ok, but you need hug.so too. There are instructions on bacon site for building hug as a shared lib.

@GC

You might be onto it with eth1. Is there 2 adapters in said machines?

@zigbert

Yes the silly xsane gui is part of the package IIRC. I'll have to sort that out.

The gtk-theme bug is intriguing. Maybe we can build a couple of variants to Stardust (using it as a template).

@TD

What is your limit? I can screw down the compression some more and maybe gain 5 to 7% decrease. I don't really want to chop any apps because I think there is a really good balance here. There are a few headers,docs and things that found their way in but compressed I can't see that being more than 300K.

@Ghost dog

This has UEFI support. (Untested). I can't guarantee it will work as I have no UEFI machines. This wont go final until I have my hands on one and can verify that it works.

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It seems xorgwizard is totally broken. I may have to borrow FD's incarnation. Actually I want to deprecate xorgwizard-automatic as most newer machines need no xorg.conf at all. But its a big job as it is very entrenched in many scripts.

TBH, I don't like the kernel. I'm always wary now of a patch-level less than 10! My cursor freezes on my laptop where it was quite stable in 3.12x. If I get time I'll see if the kernel developers continue with 3.12x and maybe do another build.

EDIT: 3.12.10 is just released! https://www.kernel.org/

[Puppus Dogfellow]

slacko64 mirrored/faster download. includes:

devx_slacko64_5.8.8.sfs
slacko64-5.8.8.iso
kernel_sources-3.13.1-slacko64.sfs
slacko64-5.8.7.iso___slacko64-5.8.8.iso.delta

[01micko]

slacko64 mirrored/faster download.

Thanks. What is the geographical location of your server? Just so I can add the info to the nabble forum. EDIT: Scratch that , I see its Google. No problem

[Ted Dog]

needs to be closer to last release so NVideo blobs can fit. and max at 185M.

Does Slacko64 have enough of older puppy32 structure so we can remove packages build from pets when we remaster. FD64 did not copy that and package removal was nearly impossible to clean..

[Puppus Dogfellow]

slacko64 mirrored/faster download.

Thanks. What is the geographical location of your server? Just so I can add the info to the nabble forum. EDIT: Scratch that , I see its Google. No problem

yup, no problem.

[gcmartin]

64bit hardware is more robust than 32bit was. There is more processor cycles, bigger I/O bus, and more RAM when sold to consumers/businesses.

From the Slacko64 console, "updatedb" and "locate" commands do not work (they are non-existent). Back on the desktop and using a terminal, I see the same messages.

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# updatedb
bash: updatedb: command not found
# locate /etc/samba/smb.conf
bash: locate: command not found
# slocate --version
bash: slocate: command not found

Could this possibly be an oversight? or Is there a reason that these (maybe others) would be missing. I have few Terabytes of HDDs connected to one PC. These command do help, I think. Could missing Linux console commands be because of someone stripping out or because of a particular terminal program selected for the console?

Thanks for any comments to assist my understanding

LAN Adapter discovery at boot
On the LAN adapter start issue, I will be testing by moving cables when Im back at home later. Will report findings soon by moving ethernet cables around.

Google for file transfers
Although they are NOT a Mirror site presented by Google for world community, they are the fastest location on the planet for consumer and business data transfers. Only network faster is IBM, but, they don't offer consumer services like our Google ID provides. Also, reliability and transfers are ONLY higher with IBM. While others such as BT and ATT are distantly behind Google in spite of its network problems this last 30 days.

Its a user's choice whether to use their IDs services or NOT.

[gcmartin]

OK @01Micko. I had the ethernet cable moved and the LAN adapter acquired identity at eth0 when booted. But, if the cable is plugged into eth1 at boot time, its a "no-go" and requires manual effort to get identity.

As you are probably aware this has nothing to do with Netbooting. Netbooting works regardless to what the distro will do after it boots taking control.

Here to help

[smokey01]

Jades it doesn't seem to be able to find the firmware for the Netgear WN111v2 USB wireless dongle. The firmware is in /lib/firmware/carl9170/carl9170-1.fw

If you either copy/move or symlink the firmware one level up to /lib/firmware then reboot it should work. It does here.
Good luck.

Testing Slacko64 5.8.8 on the Pentium D has revealed mixed results. The good news is that it boots from the CD and I managed to create a 1GB ext4 pupsave on the usual NTFS-formatted hard drive (a 160GB one with the XP install on).

Unfortunately, I can't get the networking set up. None of the network setup tools can see the Netgear WN111v2 USB wireless dongle. The strange thing is that I have had a look at lsmod and the new system info tool (can't remember the name) and it looks like all of the required modules are loaded. Main firmware module is carl9170.

[James C]

Finally got around to a quick live test.Had to use SNS to connect to internet but that was simple enough.All basics working.

# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Thu 6 Feb 2014 on Slacko64 Puppy 5.8.8 - Linux 3.13.1 x86_64

Chip description:
00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP67 - mcp68-01 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#
# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Thu 6 Feb 2014 on Slacko64 Puppy 5.8.8 - Linux 3.13.1 x86_64

Chip description:
00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP67 - mcp68-01 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#
# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Thu 6 Feb 2014 on Slacko64 Puppy 5.8.8 - Linux 3.13.1 x86_64

Chip description:
00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP67 - mcp68-01 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#


-Computer-
Processor : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Memory : 3796MB (268MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Slacko64 Puppy - 5.8.8
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Thu 06 Feb 2014 11:32:34 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on NV67
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       3796912       743656      3053256            0        65368
-/+ buffers:             678288      3118624
Swap:      6246396            0      6246396
#

[gcmartin]

Running system booted from the Netboot server. This PC has 4GB RAM, is an AMD X2 with the save-session being saved to local HDD.
Edit; The save session was created on a prior initial run. That initial run was shutdown to test LAN adapter boot issues. Save session, then, created usb stick and is represented in the system as

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sdc1,vfat,/Slacko64/slacko64save-Version588.4fs
at 512MB

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       4054200       387136      3667064            0        26548
-/+ buffers:             360588      3693612
Swap:      8389012            0      8389012

For the first time in a very very very long time, I had this system lockup requiring a warm-start via the reset button.

I am wondering if the problem is related to this save-file message which NEVER ends. (see message image below) It pop'ed to the desktop and stays!

[mavrothal]

Played a bit more with slacko64
There are a couple of missing button icons from the Sys-info Lighthouse GUI.
The battery is detected and reported OK in PSI but still the tray applet does not run.
Firefox is set to auto-update without user confirmation so if you have a small save file (128MB or less) your run out of space (maybe that's what happened to GC?)
Other than that it still looking good and very snappy

[Schpankme]

Slacko64

This worked perfectly, right out of the box, and is scary fast!

Looks fantastic.

Thank you

[Ted Dog]

Still no love on my AMD ATI Acer. Black screen of empty-ness. Did boot fine from EFI with all messages.