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#261 Post by rerwin »

Any ideas what has happened? I have installed everything from page 15 of this topic; no change.
Petr,
That error seems to occur for many reasons, usually because of a situation not anticipated by frisbee. Could you give us more detail about which puppy you are using and why you are not using either the later kit on page 17 or precise pup 5.6.1?

After upgrading to either of the above, and after encountering the problem, go into frisbee's diagnostic window and obtain a diagnostic (pdiag) file. Let it capture the wireless details it requests, then send the pdiag...tar.gz file it produces, to me in a PM (so as to avoid sharing sensitive data with the entire world).
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Experimental frisbee 1.2 for testing

#262 Post by rerwin »

I am attaching frisbee-1.2 and requesting assistance from some users of either wireless (cellphone system) modems or of a DSL connection that requires use of PPPoE because it is not built into the DSL modem. I have neither, so cannot be sure that frisbee can actually connect. The rest of frisbee is the same as 1.1 but with the addition of support for the "identity" network variable, for logging into wireless networks that require a login and password for access (instead of an SSID and key). This was suggested by Petr, in our PMs regarding his difficulties (above).

The wireless modem part is a recode of the pgprs logic but integrated into the frisbee GUI. The PPPoE part is simply a GUI front end to the Roaring Penguin pppoe already in Puppy. I have debugged the user interface portion and need others to determine whether either implementation comes close to being usable.

The two parts constitute a new tab, "Telephone Networks". One or the other is activated through radio buttons and are controlled by a common set of buttons. The interface/device selection is done by drop-down lists showing the available candidates. For now, connecting and disconnecting are done with the appropriately named buttons, although disconnecting can be done in added windows similar to the way pupdial monitors calls. Eventually, I intend to update the network_tray icon to offer menu items for connection/disconnection of the wireless-modem (GPRS) and PPPoE communications.

Although the GPRS part works similarly to the pgprs network connection, the PPPoE part currently provides access to only three of the configuration options (interface, userID, password). I am open to add other items, but need feedback as to which are most important to be given GUI support, primarily the items users need to edit in the pppoe.conf file. Note that PPPoE is needed only for use with DSL modems that require it in the client PC. Many DSL modems hide all that from the PC and user.

For the new "identity" feature, the user of a network using "EAP" authentication will be prompted to provide an identifier in addition to a password/key -- although a "password" is requested, it becomes a "key" if used with an SSID. The new logic needs someone with the appropriate type of wifi network to test/verify, so I can debug any problem with it.

There is more to do on the tool tip text. I encourage recommendations for any improvements, with the goal of making frisbee an all-in-one network manager supporting multiple concurrent connections via the various interface types (ethernet, wifi, GPRS, PPPoE). Please tell me how it works, so I can refine it for submission to puppy. Thanks.
Richard

9/5/2013: I am pleased to see 13 downloads of "1.2" and only one report of a problem. Does that mean it works for some of you? I need to know. I uploaded "0905" as a result of working with kooliepup, to ensure that an APN and access number are specified. I am hoping that the failure he sees, and I do, too, is due to an invalid or missing APN or number. (I test with an analog USB modem, so can go only so far with it.) If anyone has the GPRS part working, please tell me. R
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#263 Post by rerwin »

Update on Petr's connection problems:
His pupsave file contains many installed packages for previous work-in-progress frisbee and network_tray packages that may be interfering with the final frisbee-1.1 built into precise pup 5.6+. Once he tried with a fresh pupdave file, the connection seems to work. This is what I understand from his PM reports to me. I have requested that he uninstall all of those earlier frisbee-related versions and test again (so he can keep any other installed packages he wants). I expect that should also restore wifi functionality.

I thank Petr for working with me to understand the problem, and for his "identity" recommendation.
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#264 Post by kooliepup »

It is great to see Puppy network connectivity starting to catch up with other distros.

I uninstalled Frisbee and tried your latest.
Eth and WLAN work fine, 3G fails to connect with an exit status 8. I don't have ADSL.

Good to see that authorisation is now optional in this.
On other distros now, everything is automatic, nothing has to be filled in at all.
The SIM card is read and verified and you get connected automatically, even if the last-mile carrier is not your ISP.

Keep up the good work.

edited to correct LAN to WLAN.
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#265 Post by rerwin »

kooliepup wrote:Eth and LAN work fine, 3G fails to connect with an exit status 8. I don't have ADSL.
Thanks for trying 1.2. When you see that 3G fails with it, could you get and PM to me a pdiag file, so I can see what is happening?

To get the file, either enter the command, pdiag, or go into Frisbee, click the "Diagnostic" button, then the "Generate Diagnostic Data" button. Then send the pdiag...tar.gz file it creates.

As a "control," in a separate run, try the original pgprs to see if it works. You could get a pdiag file with that test, too, so I can compare the behaviour.
Richard

Followup 9/10/2013:
While working this via PM, we got to the point where entering a valid device, userID and password resulted in at least attempting a connection. However, kooliepup has moved on to raring pup and a much later kernel, which may be introducing new factors. His is a modem that supports "DirectIP" and uses an ethernet interface, "wwan", but should still work using the old "ppp" method. This adds a "new twist" in later kernels and versions of udev.

So, my rework of the interfacing logic is probably OK. But to be certain, I need someone to report either complete success or to make a test run using the original pgprs to see whether it works for a particular case, where the frisbee version doesn't. R
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#266 Post by kooliepup »

sent.

It seems that the problem is a command not recognised.

I can't give you an output from pgprs as I don't have it set up.
I normally use the 3G dongle plugged into one of the 4 Eth or Wireless routers.
I only put it in the computer to test Frisbee for you.

If everyone used a router there would be no issues with using dongles.

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#267 Post by Tman »

Hi Rerwin,

I haven't done any intensive testing with your new version of Frisbee, but I've tested it out for about half an hour, and find that the connection sometimes drops out on me. This is the same though for the Puppy Network Setup wizard as well.

I have Ubuntu Studio installed on the same computer, and it does not have the same problems with the wifi as I do in Tinted Slacko 5.5 (based on Slacko 5.5 Final),

Also, I have a request for later versions of Frisbee:
Although it is great that Frisbee can find the correct driver for my USB wifi dongle and connect to the internet with no other configuration except for the password, one thing that I find it is lacking is the information of the wifi driver it is using.

Would you be able to add that option to Frisbee, in a similiar fashion that the Puppy Network Manager has?
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#268 Post by rerwin »

Tman wrote:I've tested it out for about half an hour, and find that the connection sometimes drops out on me. This is the same though for the Puppy Network Setup wizard as well.
My understanding is that the "dropwait" feature is intended to address that dropout problem. By default, it is turned off, but can be activated by going to the "Diagnostic" window and setting a delay before dropping a connection. The usual value is 15 seconds. (The delay should also work for the other network managers, once set in Frisbee.) Note that network startup may then be delayed by that number of seconds (because a connection may be dropped and restarted as part of the bootup process when Frisbee is in effect). Please try dropwait. BTW, frisbee-1.2 and -1.1 are identical regarding wifi support. "1.2" only adds the telephone (e.g., mobile) support.
Also, I have a request for later versions of Frisbee:
Although it is great that Frisbee can find the correct driver for my USB wifi dongle and connect to the internet with no other configuration except for the password, one thing that I find it is lacking is the information of the wifi driver it is using.

Would you be able to add that option to Frisbee, in a similar fashion that the Puppy Network Manager has?
This seems reasonable, particularly where multiple drivers may support the same device. I will look into that.
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#269 Post by Tman »

Rerwin,

I set to dropwait time to 15 seconds as you suggested, and it has greatly improved my wifi connection. Thanks, very much. :)

EDIT: I spoke too soon.I guess I got lucky yesterday, because my wifi is exibiting connection loss again. I am suspecting that Ubuntu Studio has a newer driver that is less buggy, I tried Upup Precise Pup and experienced connection losses, while wifi seemed to be pretty stable on Upup Raring Pup. I will have to do more testing to confirm, since I only tested it for a little while.

But at least Frisbee has the "Restart Networks" button, which allows me to get the connection going again quickly.

gcmartin

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#270 Post by gcmartin »

Has a feature been overlooked or am I misusing Frisbee?

Over this past weekend, I again, I had to stop using a PUP with Frisbee to change to another distro in an effort to get Internet access over a WiFi network. The reason: No ability to authenticate when BOTH a username and password is required.
  1. Is this a missing feature or is there a manner to use Frisbee where its apparent where that information can be filled?
  2. If there is a manner, would someone post the screen in Frisbee where this is to be entered, please.
Thanks in advance for any understanding of this.

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#271 Post by Schpankme »

... Frisbee lacking the information of the WiFi driver it is using.
My situation consists of two installs of Frisbee, one on USB Stick and the other is FULL Install on /sda1.

Basics:
Dpup Wheeze with Frisbee-beta-2.pet, dhcpcd-5.2.9-i486.pet, wpa_supplicant-0.6.9-i486.4X.pet
USB - functions perfectly OOTB.
FULL - requires re-install to work.

I've tried different configurations and am at a complete loss as to why one Installation functions properly over the other.

I want to thank you for making Frisbee functional -- I almost gave up on Puppy due to Network (wifi) connection issues.

Best regards


EDIT: Both installations (without any changes) now function perfectly on every re-boot ... could it be Satan?
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#272 Post by Mike7 »

Hi, rerwin.

Can you tell me if Frisbee will work in Puppeee4.4 on a pendrive? (I can't find any reference to Puppeee4.4 in this thread.)

Pwireless2, which came with the Puppeee4.4 installation, won' t take passwords (keys) for certain known wi-fi's, and someone suggested I try Frisbee. But after looking through this thread I have serious doubts.

If you think it would work, do you know if Jemimah's additional pets (on the first page of this thread), or any of the modifications to them throughout the thread, will work? Or if they're even necessary?

Puppeee4.4 is the only Puppy I've used on my Asus eeePC 1000HA and I like it a lot. I just can' t connect to my favorite password-protected wi-fi's.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Cheers.

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#273 Post by rerwin »

Mike7,
Thank you for your inquiry. I have no idea whether frisbee-1.1 would work in pupeee-4.4, since I have never looked into that possibility.

But I have installed both precise-5.6.1 and lucid pup 5.2.8.6 and super lucid2 5.2.8.6 in my Asus 1005HAGB EeePC with no problems. I did have to set up the touchpad controls, but they work. Both of those puppies contain frisbee-1.1. Please try either of them, before trying to adapt "1.1" to pupeee.

As I am currently responsible for lucid pup 5.2.8.6, I would like to know of any reservations you might have about migrating to it. Or to precise pup, for that matter.
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#274 Post by Mike7 »

Hi, Richard.

Gee, that's a hard question to answer. The thing is, Puppeee-4.4 was the first linux I succeeded in creating a bootable pendrive with, and it's what I've been using ever since. I've become used to it, and I like it a lot.

The thought of changing my op sys right now sort of puts me off. I feel like I'll lose what I've gained from using Puppeee-4.4. See what I mean?

Also, I don't have much time. I'm an older guy with medical issues, and I don't have time to re-learn much. Since Puppeee-4.4 works, I feel I should stick with it. I've spent a lot of time learning to use the apps I need, like Abiword and Nicoedit, Google Chrome, Pup Radio, Osmo, Goggles, etc. All great apps.

Or, if I'm going to migrate, someone told me to try Saluki, which I believe Jemimah developed to replace Puppeee.

But, hey, if you think the migration to lucid or precise would be fairly seamless, and if Frisbee works where Pwireless2 doesn't (wi-fi keys), I might give them a try. It's just that I struggled so hard to get a working pendrive with Puppeee, and to learn how to use it, that I hate to give it up.

The best solution for me, I think, would be to somehow fix Pwireless2 to accept wi-fi keys. I agree with you that adapting Frisbee to Puppeee is going to be a big headache.

Do lucid and precise work in pretty much the same way as Puppeee? Do you think the learning period would be short? Do they have most of the same apps? Would they support the 1000HA features, like Puppeee does? (I don't know how similar the 1005HAGB is to the 1000HA. The Asus netbooks can be pretty varied.)

Not much of an answer to your question, Rich, but there it is. :)

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#275 Post by rerwin »

Mike7,
Thanks for laying it out for me. I just now booted up pupeee-4.4 and agree that it is very nice. I see why you would not want to abandon it.

The complication with adding frisbee-1.1 to it is that you would need to install the entire "frisbee_kit" package to provide the dependencies. One of them, the "woof_updates", was created for the mainline puppy, particularly precise and anything beyond that. That package would probably need to be adapted for pupeee.

So, it is the difference in the internal structure of pupeee versus precise that would present conflicts. If you are reluctant to spend the time to install lupu or precise to your hard drive and add dual booting with "lin'n'win-newbee", boot from a USB cd/dvd drive or install to a flash/pen drive (not your pupeee drive), I doubt you should consider wrestling with interfacing frisbee-1.1 to pupeee.

I am too preoccupied with lupu 5.2.8.6 and an upgrade of frisbee to allow myself to be diverted into retrofitting frisbee into Jemimah's pupeee world. I have worked well with her awhile ago, but she seems to no longer be available to us for support. I am already on overload (at 73), so need to avoid adding yet another project to my "to do" list.
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#276 Post by Mike7 »

Hi, Rich

I'm 70, myself, so I know just what you mean about not taking on any new projects.

Thanks for the good words about Puppeee-4.4. You made my day.

I agree that I would never succeed in adapting Frisbee to Puppeee-4.4. It's not just a matter of the woof stuff (whatever that is) but all those pets that jemimah added to Frisbee, and that had to be themselves adapted for different versions of Puppy. My epitaph would be: "Here lies a foolish newbie who died in a valiant but forlorn effort to go back in time."
If you are reluctant to spend the time to install lupu or precise to your hard drive and add dual booting with "lin'n'win-newbee"
I originally decided to put some form of Linux on a stick because the hard drive in my netbook is getting weak and hasn't much life left.
boot from a USB cd/dvd drive
Haven't got one. That's been one of the challenges to installing Linux to a stick. I couldn't get any of the usual Windows installers to work, either. But the Puppeee self-installation worked (opening the iso, copying the files to the stick, and then running - on the stick - the .bat file that sets up the pendrive MBR).
or install to a flash/pen drive (not your pupeee drive)
Do you think I could install lucid or precise onto a stick with the Puppeee Universal Installer, from their iso's? If so, I'll probably give them a try. But I have a sneaking suspicion it isn't going to be so easy as that. Getting pendrives to boot is a can of worms.
she seems to no longer be available to us
Oh, Jemimah, where are you when we need you? :)

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#277 Post by Mike7 »

Richard-

I forgot to ask you: What do you think about this bit of code for fixing my key problem in Pwireless2:

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iwconfig wlan0 key open XXXXXXXXXX
Someone posted it in the original thread on BK's Simple Network Setup v.2.1 as a WEP fix for that network manager, and it looks like a sort of universal fix. What do you think, off the top of your head? (And do you know what replaces the "x"'s? The key?)

I apologize for cross-posting this.

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#278 Post by rerwin »

Mike7 wrote:What do you think about this bit of code for fixing my key problem in Pwireless2:

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iwconfig wlan0 key open XXXXXXXXXX
Someone posted it in the original thread on BK's Simple Network Setup v.2.1 as a WEP fix for that network manager, and it looks like a sort of universal fix. What do you think, off the top of your head? (And do you know what replaces the "x"'s? The key?)
Could you provide a link to the posting, so I can get up to speed on that discussion?

Regarding pupeee, after a night's sleep I conclude that pupeee is worth preserving/maintaining because of its unique "look and feel", being tailored for the 600-line screen. I have not been following the progress (if there is any) on wither of those projects. I hope someone is attending to them at some level. Are you aware of the level of interest in those puppy versions?

I am considering adding to my to-do list the adaptation of frisbee-.12 (the upgrade) for jemimah's pupeee and saluki puppies, if there is any significant interest in my doing so. To save my searching for the active threads for them, could you post links to all of the threads where current activity is evident? Of course, if I do take on the adaptation, I will need the support by you and others to versify that frsbee and all of its related packages work satisfactorily. But tha is a few months away.
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#279 Post by Mike7 »

Richard-
Could you provide a link to the posting, so I can get up to speed on that discussion?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=400730

The post with the code in it is a little over one-third of the way down the page. (I don't know how to link to specific posts.)
Regarding pupeee, after a night's sleep I conclude that pupeee is worth preserving/maintaining because of its unique "look and feel", being tailored for the 600-line screen.
I love it. :D
Are you aware of the level of interest in those puppy versions?
I doubt if there's much real interest. When I did my first post on Puppeee last year ("Puppeee 4.4 revisited"), a lot of people were willing to help me, but it was more from nostalgia and the novelty of it than anything else, I think

I believe the last version of Puppeee was 4.4 RC2, which I was told by Volhout had Frisbee instead of Pwireless2. Here's the link about that:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 824#756824

I don't know a download site for that version, if any exists, but you could query Volhout.

And to my knowledge there is only one download site for Puppeee-4.4 Atom (my version), here:

http://ubuntuone.com/03spbbxEXin5IN44Qn1xNx

I was told that Saluki was Barry Kohler's update of Puppeee after Jemimah dropped out, but I don't know anything about Saluki. I did manage to download SalukiNOP-023r2 from somewhere (?) last year and am holding onto it for a future tryout.

There's a thread named "Is Jemimah's original Puppeee still available?" at:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72190

That thread has some stuff about Saluki as well as Puppeee, but it ended in 2011.
I am considering adding to my to-do list the adaptation of frisbee-.12 (the upgrade) for jemimah's pupeee and saluki puppies, if there is any significant interest in my doing so.
There must be a lot of eeePC's still in operation, but who knows how many of them run Puppeee or Saluki, or even how many use some form of Puppy Linux? I've no idea.
To save my searching for the active threads for them, could you post links to all of the threads where current activity is evident?
Aside from the ones linked to above, there are my threads and the threads I've posted to recently:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=91767
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=91443
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=84459
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=67235
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=91025

There's a thread called "Puppeee 4.3X" (which ended in Oct., 2013) at:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=48288

and a thread called "Saluki" (which also ended in Oct., 2013) at:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 30&t=73687

When I do a search for posts with the word "Puppeee" in them I get three pages of thread listings, all fairly recent (since Oct., 2013). But most of them are not specifically about Puppeee (that is, it's not named in the thread titles), and I don't have the time to read through them all for the Puppeee references.
Of course, if I do take on the adaptation, I will need the support by you and others to versify that frsbee and all of its related packages work satisfactorily.
I would give you the support that time and my health issues permit, but I wouldn't be much help to you as I hardly know anything about using Linux. I'm basically a newbie.

And, to be quite frank about it, Rich, I would much prefer to fix the wi-fi bug in Pwireless2 than get involved with a different network manager. Pwireless2 does everything I need except take protection keys (admittedly a major issue). Pwireless2's simplicity is in keeping with the rest of Puppeee. I'm not sure about Frisbee...

Cheers!

Mike
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Refined version of frisbee-1.2

#280 Post by rerwin »

Attached are packages for updated versions of frisbee and pgprs. Frisbee-1.2-beta contains the previously added "identity" support plus npierce's fix for static IP addresses. The "beta" refers to the new "Telephone Networks" tab also added previously but now reworked.

The "Telephone Networks" mobile wireless part now is compatible with the new version of pgprs, 1.5, in that they use common techniques and can be used interchangeably. You can set up GPRS with either frisbee or pgprs and then connect with either of them, although frisbee should be the more robust user interface.

In addition, the PPPoE part is now "fleshed out" to support the same inputs as the Roaring Penguin GUI.

Those of you using either of those telephone system means of access to the internet, please try whichever features apply to you. As I do not have either type of service, I cannot verify that they actually connect to the internet, so rely on your feedback. I have gone as far as I can until someone reports whether they work. TIA.

Some details of the changes to pgprs:
  • - The file, /etc/ppp/peers/chatmm is now /etc/ppp/options.gprs.
    - The entries for device, APN, phone number, PIN and user are kept in /etc/ppp/gprs.conf, as is the new "PAP only" option.
    - The chat scripts are now in /etc/ppp/chatscripts and, instead of being edited, use separate files for the entered values.
UPDATE 3/8/2014:
Reuploaded frisbee-1.2beta after download #46, to add fixes prompted by peebee, Argolance and Scooby, utilizing npierce's recent fix.
  • - The network tray menu now is appropriate for installations with no wireless capability (Argolance).
    - The restart function is corrected and now also waits for wpa_supplicant to complete its restart.
    - Corrected disablement of the wireless tab when no wireless interface is present, so that the "Enable wireless" and Diagnostic options remain enabled; a previously used interface name is retained after its removal, but is forgotten if wireless is disabled by unchecking that option -- the name will change to "none" the next time frisbee is started (with no wireless interface present).
    - Added precautionary unblocking of a wireless interface before starting it (peebee)
Please verify that wireless still works normally, particularly with USB dongles, both plugged in and unplugged, to be sure the wireless tab is greyed out when unplugged, but is enabled if the dongle is plugged in. Do not expect an instant change; try restarting frisbee after (un)plugging. It may require a reboot, to see the change. Please report on how frisbee behaves in this situation. Thank you.

UPDATE 3/16/2014: Re-uploaded both packages unchanged except for removing "-beta" from their names -- after frisbee download #66 and pgprs download #60. Since there are no reports of any problems with them, I conclude that they are ready for release to woof and puppies that already handle frisbee-1.0 or 1.1. Unless you care about the package name, there is no need to re-update from the betas to these packages.

UPDATE 2/15/2015: Uploaded pgprs-1.5.1 to correct the handling of absent username and password. Until now, they were required but prevented connection if they were dummies. (Version 1.5 had 222 downloads before I removed it.)
Richard
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For use only in puppies that already contain frisbee-1.1:
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