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dogle

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Jan 2014, 16:28    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Those dialog boxes ....
 

serdal 22, thanks, and I hope you get to read this, because Moose On The Loose has mentioned something - with which I ardently agree! - which could make a little more feedback from you (and from others in the same situation) especially valuable.
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The solution may be something as simple as a bit of wording in one of the dialog boxes that has led you astray.


This thread had revealed that installation issues are the second biggest bugbear for newcomers to Puppy - this was evident pretty early on, and it is quite disturbing that the Puppy community still hasn't quite managed to plug this big hole in acceptability to newcomers.

There is, however, a problem ... although I have vague memories of tearing my hair out, as a Puppy newbie years ago, when foxed by ambiguous dialog box wording, I couldn't remember just what is was that upset me to save my life. It seems (to me at least) that once you are over that nasty initial comprehension hurdle and progressing, the memory of what caused you so much grief evaporates in a trice.

It is therefore particularly valuable if newcomers can point to specific causes of confusion in dialog boxes, urgently - whilst that memory is fresh, before it swiftly fades - because, as Moose had indicated, just a minor change in wording can make a huge difference to a whole lot of people.

(Don't be shy, folks - do jump in on this one!).
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canyoureallysmellme from

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Feb 2014, 16:41    Post_subject: new today
Sub_title: hello
 

Hi ya all!
Just got online first time here. Been interested in Linux for about 2 years, as my computer was old and somehow I found out about Ubuntu, and then found Xubuntu and thence Puppy. I was, and still am, getting put off my the tone of Microsoft, it seems over-managed and as if they are taking control of your every move. No doubt the USA government have a hand or two in the way it is developing...what a tool for mass control and gathering of people's data! So I prefer Puppy. However it is initially harder to use, and the graphics are totally different in feel to Windows, Windows is a good looking beast. Anyway what I REALLY like about Puppy is that it can run off a CD, with no hard drive in the computer and a low spec cheap, the sort "no one wants anymore" type of computer. Being paranoid, or just security conscious, Puppy is a great plus for online banking and to feel hack proof. No need for this constant fidgitting about virus protection you get with Windows, no sales pitches for this,- that,- and the other, software, no enforced up grades of hardware due to software demands. Great! And it costs nothing! But think of all the people who spent hours on this project. Thank you for your sweat and tears.

But it has not been without my sweat and tears to get the thing going. For the none-technical users, like me, a very simple disk with less on it would be good. But as I got bolder I have just explored how to remove pup packages and then remastered, in a fashion, my own Puppy. Being paranoid I have tried to remove all Wifi, Transmission, mail, remote access, chat and Shh telnet such programmes, as I fear these could be used to access the computer by clever people who shall always find a way to remain nameless. I managed to put in the fire wall tray thing, so I can see firewall is definitely working (I use Wary 5.2.2 due to the age of my machine). So now feel a bit more secure coming online. Shame you cannot set up the printer and change the keyboard without making a save file. And the sound wont play, ...well it did once or twice, but seemed to go on the blink after I used Xorg instead of Xvesa...is that possibly, a bug? I think the warysave file must represent a security risk, as a save-file has to be put on re-writable media, and so while online I suppose a person could get access and change things? I now deliberately use a laptop that is not equipped with wifi or an inbuilt camera for this reason, as I think these can be used in reverse as spy aides into one's room. Of course the internet is full of evesdroppers anyway! Recently I used a wifi enabled laptop, but think it logged on automatically to someone's private wifi, due to my using a new android phone (when wifi is used for the very first time on the phone, I read, it fetches passwords down from Cloud storage, and if the other person has "backed up their data" (ie: the unencrypted password was sent up to the Android Cloud storage) on thier android you get their password sent to you! Razz It is a security flaw, but if you like doing things like that, then to do it again, so I read, just reset the phone so it acts like a new one....so I read...yikes! Reading that did not help me feel secure. Anyway, it was a genuine accident, but they were not happy so see me logged in. I was not happy they had access to my computer contents. How pleased I was to be using a Puppy CD with no harddrive...they could not send me any resident spyware via the connection if they wanted to. So my aim is to make a secure puppy just for accessing the Internet. And put the hard drive in (with a pup save file on it), when working off line. OR have another computer perhaps for offline work. But I may try to sell the other one now. So a Puppy, super simple, for beginners...no jargon or tangles, only of use for getting online in a super secure way.
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Feb 2014, 22:10    Post_subject:  

canyoureallysmellme from wrote:
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Being paranoid I have tried to remove all Wifi, Transmission, mail, remote access, chat and Shh telnet such programmes, as I fear these could be used to access the computer by clever people who shall always find a way to remain nameless.

You could also do that this way.
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rufwoof

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Feb 2014, 14:15    Post_subject: Re: new today
Sub_title: hello
 

canyoureallysmellme from wrote:
But it has not been without my sweat and tears to get the thing going. For the none-technical users, like me, a very simple disk with less on it would be good.

+1.

Harware detection didn't pick up my graphics card/monitor. Network detection didn't detect my wi-fi adapter. After a lot of effort I finally got it working and had to learn how to remaster another boot CD etc.

I'd rather see a slim CD that was extremely good at detecting hardware and establishing a internet connection- where thereafter whatever programs you wanted could then be added (PET's/SFS files), than the current arrangement of having to jump through hoops just to get a clean boot up and internet connection.

Tried Knoppix and it detected everything ok - but comes with everything (bloated) and no (easy) savefile option like puppy has.

Bottom line I want a read only pristine (virus/trogan free) version to boot to when doing more sensitive actions (paying for things, online banking etc.) and accepting of a potentially infiltrated/more exposed version for just doing general stuff. Puppy appears great for that, but many wouldn't pass the entrance exam/test.

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But as I got bolder I have just explored how to remove pup packages and then remastered, in a fashion, my own Puppy. Being paranoid I have tried to remove all Wifi, Transmission, mail, remote access, chat and Shh telnet such programmes, as I fear these could be used to access the computer by clever people who shall always find a way to remain nameless.

Just boot to CD only (pfix=ram) when doing online banking and such-like. Otherwise just boot as normal (load savefile), dont worry about security so much as if that gets breached the hacker only gets to see uninteresting stuff.

My overall preference would be for a Knoppix like hardware detection and ease of getting on line, plus browser i.e. slimmed right down version. With puppy like savefile and PET's/SFS's
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kayuz

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Feb 2014, 11:08    Post_subject:  

Hi to all!!! I've found Puppy Linux while was searching for a Linux distro for my girlfriend's old pc and found it surprisingly good!!!

It's very fast but I've something to tell:

I will suggest you to enamble an update center for all,will let things easier...
then also when inserting usb drives like phones like Galaxy Note 2... mounting should be easier and faster...

Homewer for its size is incredible! Good work and... of course keep it up!!!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 18:39    Post_subject:  

Hello All

Being an admitted MS Zombie and really only looking at Linux because XP is due to be dropped from support

The first and foremost question on my mind is ... which Linux works best on MY machine

I happened to get here by way of an old disc given to me with puppy 525 on it... which btw installed pretty much hassle free ...it was suggested in the forums I try the new slako56 which I am on now ...again installed pretty much hassle free and seems to be working fine ( I wont know for sure till I try to do something and it wont)

I'm tempted to go get Ubuntu but somehow I get the impression that I would just be switching to a new Zombie clan

It was also suggested I try puppy 528 but there again ... it seems there are various versions of that OS as well

so my lil peek behind the curtain to see what Linux is all about has left me with the temptation to just close the curtain and forget it ... the choices and questions are somewhat overwhelming

From a "Zombie" point of view I dont wish to spend my time finding the right one ...or how to make it work ...

and the words "open a command line and edit this line" .... oh hell no ! I'm outta here lol




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jjreid87

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Mar 2014, 14:20    Post_subject: Greetings  

Got sick of everything crashing on a windows 7 craptop and found my way to puppy. A year ago I tried loading ubuntu on a frankenstien computer, I got it working a couple of times but then the videocard would go tits up and I'd have to reload it. This was much less painless. However, after learning how to stumble around in the console, I found myself scratching my head while learning that basically everything I was trying to install needed a c compiler. Then I tried to install gcc a couple of times before learning about the sfs manager. It seems like a lot of newbs start here. Why not offer a beefier puppy to them that doesn't leave them scrambling around to get simple programs to work?
I guess you have to learn somehow
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431user

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Mar 2014, 17:41    Post_subject: A familiar experience
Sub_title: Installling programs
 

I have also had problems installing programs in Linux. The requirement for the gcc compiler was not obvious and took me awhile to figure out. I am currently struggling with dealing with dependencies which is very time consuming. If you can find a package for a particular program it is easier but this is not always possible.

A really good user manual would be really helpful but that may be too much to ask. Posting questions in the Beginner section can be helpful if that one knowledgable person who has the answer responds. Searching the forum is also useful as long has you have a specific term to search for.

Unfortunately you're right, you have to learn somehow, and that is often the hard way.
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J_D_

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Apr 2014, 23:07    Post_subject:  

Just decided to try Linux 2 weeks ago. Put Mint on one laptop but needed a non PAE ISO for my HP nc6000 because of the pentium M processor. Had to do some searching to find Puppy. Then I had to find a way to put it on a USB. LInuxLive USB made it all easy for me, once I found it. Finally got it done and I like it better than Mint. The one thing that is lacking seems to be getting started. I have no idea how, but thats the only thing I see that needs improvement. Make it easy to find and easy to download and put MS out of business. Just kidding about the MS part.
Came to this forum looking for a place to say thanks so that is the reason for this post. THANKS. Slacko Puppy rocks.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Apr 2014, 13:40    Post_subject:  

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so my lil peek behind the curtain to see what Linux is all about has left me with the temptation to just close the curtain and forget it ... the choices and questions are somewhat overwhelming


I hear this alot in forums.

My outlook on this.

Does it overwhelm you when there are choices on the shelves when you buy groceries?

Does it overwhem you when there are choices on buying a car?

Does it overwhem you when you walk into a topless bar and have choices on what table dance you can have?

Does it overwhem you when you go to a party and see all the different choices that you have when choosing to talk to a single person?

Usually when I peek behind the curtain and see a lot of choices.

It makes me want to walk through the curtain and see all the choices available.

But, I guess some are not as adventurous as I am.
Because, we are all not the same.

For all the beginning compiler posts. Remember to look for the devx.sfs that goes for your install. Like I did.

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Anybody have a devx.sfs link for the Puppy?


http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=729141#729141

Don't give up.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=739962#739962

Just like I have fun playing with my 5 dogs.

I have fun playing with Puppy Linux.

You have fun too. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 01 May 2014, 19:09    Post_subject:  

rokytnji wrote:
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Anybody have a devx.sfs link for the Puppy?


http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=729141#729141

The devx should be in the folder with the .iso for the version you selected:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/

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MrAccident

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PostPosted: Tue 06 May 2014, 12:42    Post_subject:  

rokytnji - just a little side note - when you pick one of the cars; it's not to mess around with it for two weeks - learning it; only to find out it cannot go in reverse; which makes it useless for you. But the good news is - you can learn to become a mechanic; and fix the problem. Though nobody ensures you that a week after - you won't find another problem like this.
But to make it clear - I think it applies the least to Puppy; more generally to the Linux world.

Anyway I came here to give an advice as this thread asks, from my point of view.
What made me look for another distro, was mostly the lack of flexibility in the choice of software. Mostly not having the option to uninstall software.
Now after a lot of research, and trying out a few other distros - I reached the conclusion that I will probably stick with Puppy; because even with the extra software - it's still much smaller and more complete than the smallest distros; I mean the combination of the two.
It's great to start off from a very small system; but ,I don't know about other people, but I want to change all the applications, other than the ones for the most basic needs (PBurn, GParted etc), system ones, and FireFox. So as a newbie - I start to think about the fact that I'm gonna be stack with them for ever! So I think there should be an option to uninstall them with the same ease as with those I manually installed. And maybe there should be bare-bones versions together with the default ones.
BTW, for me - the program that really broke the camel's back, was ROX-filler.
Another thing is how easy Puppy gets broken with incorrect power-off of the computer; with full install. It happened in two computers from maybe the first time something like that happened. I don't know if in the frugal installation it does not occur. If so - you should warn people about it. And I don't mean just to tell them that it's not "the right way" to install; I mean to tell them it's dangerous! Smile
OK, that's enough ranting. Hopefully it won't fall on deaf ears.
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Jun 2014, 06:12    Post_subject: Could you say it in french, please ?  

Commonwealth citizens, if you want really export the famous australian Puppy, now it would be time to translate it. for barbarians .
Ils peuvent le faire eux-mêmes ? Bien dit.
Your feedback is important (but don't post technical queries here - use a new thread).
Ne postez pas de demandes techniques ici. Very Happy Well. First we translate. Second we shall try to understand 'what you say' dear linuxians geeks.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Jun 2014, 17:32    Post_subject:  

Pelo, merci.

Qu'est-ce que c'est tu fume, mon ami?
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2014, 04:20    Post_subject:  

"How NOT to install Puppy Linux"

At the beginning, as French understanding half of some sentences, I thought it meant "The bad way to install Linux"


http://puppylinux.org/main/How%20NOT%20to%20install%20Puppy.htm

Also it took time for me and lot of videos to watch on Youtube before I find this sentence :

"Impatient? Jump to frugal install to hard disk
Or get Windows installer"

Which is written in little font.

I would appreciate something like :

"Windows installer"

in big letters as part of the main menu of the website...
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