UEFI Drove Me Home

[zaivala]

Mostly because CUPS is not much liking my printer, even though there is a Linux driver for it.

Have you asked for help with your printer?

Nope. Mostly my autism-induced timidity -- I think I've fixed the problem but have to be in a good space before I can test it.

I did get it to work before sending the machine in to be restored.

I have it back now. I do not have it booting quite right -- it will boot Puppy IF I hold the Esc key while booting. I want to get it to where it will boot from the CD just because it's there, which pre-UEFI systems did. I'm told it can be done, just haven't found it yet.

Now I have to get all my PUP files restored and configure it. Again. Relearn the mistakes I made and fixed last time. Sux being me LOL.

Edited to add 1/21: Wow. Boot sequence was not that hard, just had to go in and change #1 to the DVD drive... after enabling CSM. Old BIOS was much easier though, and I didn't even *have* to do this.

[EdD]

shagguar you forgot to mention that one have to set
Win 8 to not be in sleep mode when you do the Partition
created. That is warned about on internet in many places

One would easily destroy Win 8 if one don't do that properly

That is from my faulty memory and it could have been changed
in later version if Win8.1 or so but the first was always in sleep
mode by default so one need to start it up in Win 8
and tell it to not be in sleep mode or else it could
have important system file over written

Correct me if I am wrog. Maybe you just had an incredible luck?

Yes, I heard of that danger, too. So far I haven't molested my wife's win8 laptop, but I have two of my windows machines, an XP and a Win7, running multiple versions of puppy. What I did was to install a 2nd hard drive in each windows machine for Puppy only, and install Grub4dos on the puppy hard drive. I had tried the coexist thing in the past and didn't like all the fiddling.

[Ted Dog]

sleep and fast boot bug still exists and almost twice as bad in 8.1 ie it turns the mode back even when not by user. I just expect a cleanup on win8.1 each boot. but it only seems to effect user files...

[nooby]

I love you guys for helping me out.

I bought a Packard Bell Easy Note UEFI modern comp thursday
and use Explorer now to reach you so now
I need to read up on how turn off UEFI
and do a frugal install of Puppy that one
can choose at boot time. 27/

Any help offered 2would be highly valued

[nooby]

Okay I will use the well minded to see what I find
Wellminded google search seems to be down?

[nooby]

Another fascinating comment from that article:

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YOU (techies) who think that the world is some free open society where everything should be allowed is:  immature, unrealistic, self serving, obnoxious, unsophisticated and lives in a bubble.  YOU (techies) are just a small percent of any population like any clique or group or organization.  YOU’RE needs do not, cannot and will not dictate the wants and needs of us all.  

I am often stunned by the deliberately blind attitudes of those who are part of the 'group'. So many people are really happy to be inside the bell curve as long as their chosen masters keep them fed and entertained. Doesn't matter how much control gets exerted by those masters, or how many unreasonable restrictions there are, or how many people die to fund the welfare of the 'group' - as long as the telly stays on and the entertainment keeps on coming...

Sorry if I'm straying off topic but I really want a world where I make my own decisions about what I do with my hardware and my internet access. Punish those who do wrong but leave the rest of us alone and stop limiting us and spying on us.

{end of personal rant}

Such an insightful text. Mentally blind to how sinister and
not caring the Investors in IT can be. If they get Money from Selling
our personal info and if the law has loopholes than thy just do it.

At least that is my impression. I can be wrong

[jtwdyp]

I love you guys for helping me out.

I bought a Packard Bell Easy Note UEFI modern comp thursday
and use Explorer now to reach you so now
I need to read up on how turn off UEFI
and do a frugal install of Puppy that one
can choose at boot time. 27/

Any help offered 2would be highly valued

i KNOW ME A COMPLETE FOOL BUT
I hope that Ted Dog and other friends
can stand my naive questions

Suppose I have a standard frugal of Cruchband which
happen to be the case now at the hospital.

I forgot the take with Linux Mind frugal rcrns51 method.

That was a bit background

Now Q.
How do I get into the biots to turn the protection off?
How do I get the Dir seen at boot time

I would prefer to not write a MBR something

I bought the device yesterday
Please help me get going with Puppy on UEFI frugal

What I found nooby, {with an aggressive web search: That is, with the startpage search engine I searched for:

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Packard Bell EasyNote TE11HC +bios +setup +howto

} Which search eventually led me to these pages from packard bell's online support:

Document ID: 27044
Changing BIOS mode from UEFI to Legacy
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/27044


Document ID: 27102
Accessing the UEFI (BIOS) setup on a Windows 8 system
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/27102


And since the change bios link specifically mentions completely shutting down:

Document ID: 26264
Shutting Down Your Computer in Windows 8
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/26264

Hope that's what your looking for...

[nooby]

I love you guys for helping me out.

I bought the device yesterday
Please help me get going with Puppy on UEFI frugal

What I found nooby, {with an aggressive web search: That is, with the startpage search engine I searched for:

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Packard Bell EasyNote TE11HC +bios +setup +howto

} Which search eventually led me to these pages from packard bell's online support:

Document ID: 27044
Changing BIOS mode from UEFI to Legacy
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/27044


Document ID: 27102
Accessing the UEFI (BIOS) setup on a Windows 8 system
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/27102


And since the change bios link specifically mentions completely shutting down:

Document ID: 26264
Shutting Down Your Computer in Windows 8
http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/26264

Hope that's what your looking for...

Much much appreciated

I should have tried out such google search myself but

But I often fail to put in the right key Words but you must have found
the right such.

I look at it Sat night or Sunday or Monday but Tuesday I leave the
Hospital for paliative care and hit home and have a lot of cloth qashing
to so

So if success I write about it here in thread.

one year ago some people got unlucky and had much trouble
getting working computer after testing but coming from
ACER Packard Bell it should just work

Thanks indeed for providing these/those links

[jtwdyp]

Hope that's what your looking for...

Much much appreciated

I should have tried out such google search myself but

But I often fail to put in the right key Words but you must have found
the right such.

I hear that. finding the right keywords can be hard.

It helps to know how to use "+" "-" "AND" "OR" & "()" But even with the right search string, the search engines don't always cooperate. And the results vary from one search engine to the next. So if one doesn't do it for me, I'll often try again with another.

Also, I've often had better luck when I include a model number in the search string.
And depending on what your looking for, adding "howto" or "wiki" can sometimes work wonders...

I look at it Sat night or Sunday or Monday but Tuesday I leave the
Hospital for paliative care and hit home and have a lot of cloth qashing
to so

So if success I write about it here in thread.

one year ago some people got unlucky and had much trouble
getting working computer after testing but coming from
ACER Packard Bell it should just work

Thanks indeed for providing these/those links

Well you see I was a bit curious myself... So I didn't mind digging for a bit. Some of that info is only good for Packard Bell PC's, but the stuff on how to get win 8 to cooperate is/was priceless...

[nooby]

Sometimes"priceless" is the right Word

All those time one did not make a link and
then spent hours or Days trying to find it again
not knowing


Precious precious hehe I am teasing

I met this precious Girl that I lived with for some 10 years

Every guy Went crazy over her looks Eyes Hair well the whole being.
No way the more manly guys would let me have her alone

So we separated. I still long for to hold her tight but she refuse.

[jtwdyp]

Precious precious hehe I am teasing

I met this precious Girl that I lived with for some 10 years

Every guy Went crazy over her looks Eyes Hair well the whole being.
No way the more manly guys would let me have her alone

So we separated. I still long for to hold her tight but she refuse.

Hmmnn, Not quite the same thing but:

That tale kinda reminds me of an old Led Zeppelin song... Something about "days of old"... "a girl so fair" ... and somebody "crept up and slipped away with her" ... "and ain't nothin' I can do, no ...I guess I'll keep on ramblin"

I think it was the word precious which made me think of the characters who allegedly slipped away with the girl in the song... AhHa, I found it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HemKGDavw

Hope you enjoyed the tune.

[nooby]

Is this the thread to share how to boot puppy or general Linux
on a changed UEFI?

I completely shut it down to not have fast boot rnning.

I hold down the Power button for 5 seconds.

Then I Catch UEFI Bios with hitting F2 during the boot upp

It does not show any legaxy boot though.

Edit the solution to what above

You change a password in the now avialable legacy BIOS

Do I have to do a puppy install then from DVD or from USB

I know way too little to set up a menu.lst
What I need now is to get the puppy files
over to the HD and to find a way that boot
is seen at start up which fails now

any suggestions?

[nooby]

Can I take the grldr and menu.lst and just copy to
/ I trust it need to MBR first?
I Went into bios again but failed to get it to boot the usb
usimg F12

[Burn_IT]

I've not read though it as I don't have a uefi system to play with, but see if this helps:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB

[Ted Dog]

Can I take the grldr and menu.lst and just copy to
/ I trust it need to MBR first?
I Went into bios again but failed to get it to boot the usb
usimg F12

NO

you will quicky kill machine and It will not recover if you try to mix and match old methods when machine harddrive setup to new methods. People have done a mix and match but STEP one is fresh unformatted harddrive. if you have not learned to backup and restore windows8 practice this before changing and playing with fire.
You can boot to BIOS mode and should replace win8 physical harddrive with something else and then treat the new computer as you did old methods.
Treat the builtin harddrive as off limits even if your version of linux can see and mount partions. Windows expects to OWN everything on the Harddrive and is really sloppy and using hacks and shortcuts to make hardware fast boot. If you did not do a complete shutdown of windows8 using its shutdown then even if you pulled the power cord and removed battery you STILL HAVEN DONE A FULL SHUTDOWN. Turning off the machine is NOT the same as a full shutdown any more. Windows goes into a sloppy mode to fast boot and leaves the hardrive full of half done cruft that it expects to be in same exact shape as it was when power was cut.

[nooby]

Ted Dog much appreciated.

Wow but the instructions do say that some seconds of hard boot
will set it to the needed position to use for booting.

So what am I supposed to do instead?

Changing the win 8 HD after back up?

Making the whole gear into Linux dedicated machine?

Would be cool to have maybe? Any suggestion.

I so want to use the internal HD for saving.

If I take it oot and make it a non booting and
put a USB to boot and it saves to the now external
as kif it is a memory only using the free? space
not program spaces? Only NTFS partition and not EFI?

Then it would be easy to boot too? I am sleepy so
apology for slppy thinking.

[Ted Dog]

flashdrive can be made to dual boot either or mode. IE since UEFI and old BIOS mode is so diferent a mix and match can be made. But I do this only for and with linux.
Leave windows8 alone..

use stock flashdrive already formated to Fat32 click on Fatdog64 iso file and copy efiboot.img to root or tmp.. rename efiboot.img to efiboot.3fs click on that renamed img file to open it up in ROX. copy entire files and folders into a folder EFI on flashdrive.
copy rest of iso files to base folder of flashdrive. That sbould make the flashdrive bootable of UEFI and my windows8 in UEFI mode looks to USB first anyway.
next using this flashdrive reboot machine and use UFI aware fatdog64 to install a mbr. install syslinux bootloader and now your flash drive can boot into either or machines. BIOS mode will be syslinux config. and EFI grub config.

[jtwdyp]

Hello nooby. First let me tell you that Ted dog gave you good advice about just running from
the flash drive and leaving win8's hard drive alone...

But I know that's not what you want to hear... SO

Wow but the instructions do say that some seconds of hard boot
will set it to the needed position to use for booting.

So what am I supposed to do instead?

Changing the win 8 HD after back up?

YES Even if your not going to "touch" the internal hard drive... Do back up...

Inside win8 find the link/command to make a restore disk. MAKE ONE better yet
make two, one never knows when something will happen to a dvd... there's a how-to here:

http://www.techsupportalert.com/content ... dows-8.htm

Notice that just below those instructions there is a section talking about a win7 method...
If you have win8 rather than win8.1 this describes how to make a full system image...
Another thing you really should do

If on the other hand you do have win 8.1 they hid the system image function elsewhere:
«check out this link»

https://www.techsupportalert.com/conten ... istory.htm

Either way, if your going to play with your win8 internal hard drive, PLEASE make the system image.

This may take several DVDs It might be better to use an external (usb) hard drive...

Making the whole gear into Linux dedicated machine?
Would be cool to have maybe? Any suggestion.

Yeah, But if your used to windows, you might want to duel boot instead...

Either way You need to decide if you want to make your life easier by turning off secure boot...

http://packard-bell-scandic.custhelp.co ... a_id/27071

Document ID: 27071
How to Enable or Disable Secure Boot

Click on the laptop tab...

It will tell you to completely shut down win8. (see the link in my previous post.) And it
looks like you have to (at least temporarily) create a supervisor password do do this...

NOTE this is not the same as switching the bios to "legacy mode" The system would still be
UEFI, It just wouldn't deny permission to boot because of not having a Microsoft approved
"key" etc... But I suspect that most the mainstream Linux are already UEFI aware. Or have an
UEFI version... But if you want to do a little more work, some of them even have methods to
boot on secure boot PCs...

I so want to use the internal HD for saving.

For which reason AFTER you have made both the recovery disk AND a system image
You can use win8 itself to shrink its size to make room to create a partition(s) to store
your fatdog stuff on. and/or to install a linux to...

http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile ... windows-8/

If I take it oot and make it a non booting and
put a USB to boot and it saves to the now external
as kif it is a memory only using the free? space
not program spaces? Only NTFS partition and not EFI?

Then it would be easy to boot too? I am sleepy so
apology for slppy thinking.

I

I been to sleepy to think straight before...
But I'll confess I don't have a clue what your talking about here...

Good luck!

[Ted Dog]

Remember how I posted that windows8 expects to OWN harddrive. well Microsoft has done one better. They now use the default type of a linux partion as new default for NTFS under Windows8.. So if you do resize main partion to make a linux partition Windows8 will automagically ask if you want to format 'blank' partions everytime you boot.. Get this it is not unformated its linux be careful. A new linux id has been developed that windows did not overtake but not widely used. Need to tell Kirk and James about that for future use.

[nooby]

flashdrive can be made to dual boot either or mode. IE since UEFI and old BIOS mode is so diferent a mix and match can be made. But I do this only for and with linux.
Leave windows8 alone.. ....

jtwdyp thanks for your good advices too.

Ted Dog

I am too naive and trusty. I will abandon
tempering with the HD then and accept that
booting with a USB flask is totally okay.

I will test if the settings I have now allow this alreasy.

I am too sleepy to think straight So sorry.

I've managed to set the UEFI to legacy? Maybe?

Trying to boot a CrushBang "live" Usb I must have
hit the wrong button or something. I trusted that
either it recognize USB or show something to click on
or accepted to show it after me hitting F12 often enough.

I test again wednessday PM. 04.25AM is way too early for me.

But I have several USB like Linux Mint. andSolid and solux and Zorin.
to check out if any boot with F12.

I should look into BIOS again to se that USF FDD? is first thing
it does? Maybe that is why the HD boot first instead of letting
it try the USB flash.