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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 10:57    Post subject:  

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I have been amazed at how the political forces have caused such a state of unnecessary confusion where people have forgotten what the branches of government actually do.

Civics are not taught in schools in many cases so you would be better to say "don't know" in place of "have forgotten". You may even be suffering partly from the "golden age" effect where people think things were better at some time in the past. When we were children, our parents worried about the bad stuff and protected us from it so we got the impression the world was a better place than it really was. Today we worry about the bad stuff.

Looking back on the era in which I was a child and looking at the level of ignorance about how government worked then, I don't see that all that many folks really knew it back then.

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That fairness did NOT cost any citizen any money, while promoting opportunity for small as well as rural ISPs to deliver services to community in similar or same as what the large ISPs (Telcos and Cable companies) do without having internet traffic disturbed because some other ISPs saw fit to stop traffic that they don't directly benefit. Thus the citizenry benefited by having that fair-play in place. This paved the way for open access on the Internet highways no matter how you get to the internet.


There are a few small towns where they run their own little network using routers you can buy from the electronics stores and the connection to the backbone that perhaps the library or the school has. They usually charge a small fee. It works very well. Comcast and Verison etc want the method made illegal because it competes with them. If they survive they may contain the seed of the new media that comes in as the internet as we know it becomes a closed system.

If people can connect to their neighbor and their neighbor on to the next, all the system needs is a way to make the long jumps from neighborhood to neighborhood and country to country and it can make a self forming network that doesn't use the backbone. There is likely to be a fight along the same lines as happened with the TV networks vs VHS vs BetaMax where an option not as good as the best and not as bad as the worst gets taken.

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We can only hope that something happens where public outcry will cause them to act on the peoples behalf. But, that's just an optimistic view that something fair will be done.


Unfortunately, there is another reason to worry about this. Since most people get their news and information through the very filter that we hope will be prevented or delayed, the public outcry can't be counted on. The public tends to believe what is on the "news". The "news" is under the editorial control of those who don't want net neutrality. Thinking back to the time when Howard Dean ran for president, we can see a good model for how effective this sort of filtering can be in the shaping of the public's opinion of someone. Howard Dean was getting quite favorable reporting and looked to be on a path towards losing by a modest margin. He made the comment about the big network companies being broken up and right after that the "YEAH!!!!!" tape was all over the place and he was made out to be weird.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 12:44    Post subject:  

Government has certainly been making drastic changes away from representative government and civil liberties. I'm confident that public opinion will preside, and that the internet will continue to play a major role.
The latest report in the Wall Street Journal is an example of the ability to challenge big government. It reflects public opinion. The administration does not. People are getting tired of being lied to.

"WASHINGTON—A federal privacy board said Thursday that the government's mass collection of American phone data is illegal and should end, a recommendation that deals another blow to U.S. spying practices."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304632204579338620075959020
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 15:26    Post subject:  

Couple of things which are resonating. I'm wondering if some of what is being put forth is a backlash about government or are you promoting that Government only wants special interest to prevail?

Trying to see the relationship being put forth between Healthcare, NSA, and what the US courts did to throw out an "Internet fairness" edict (which is what I thought the thread was discussing). Is this all somehow connected as a part of some strategy you are trying to show us?

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 15:49    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
Is this all somehow connected as a part of some strategy you are trying to show us?

Responded to your PM. This is a complex and multidimensional issue. I'd just as soon leave it here.
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