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musher0


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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 10:50    Post_subject:  Disappointed with the speed of recent Seamonkeys?
Sub_title: Try Iceape!
 

Hello people!

If you're disappointed with the speed of recent Seamonkeys, you may wish to try
debian's Iceape. Same functions: mail, news, browser, chat, html editor; sqlite editor as
an add-on if you want.

Except it loads in 4 seconds instead of 10. Is it just me, just on this computer?
Feedback welcome.

I don't know if Iceape versions follow Seamonkey's closely or not. This is Iceape 2.7.12
whereas the latest Seamonkey is version 2.23. This Iceape bears a date of August 2013,
though, so it can't be that old.

Also, this a Debian "jessie" (experimental Debian) build, more advanced than "wheezy",
but less risky than "sid". From a Debian point of view, this archive is pretty much current,
even a bit in the future.

In any case, as I said, this Iceape has the same functions as Seamonkey, and the
launching speed is just great, even faster than opera 12.16.

Packaged into a pet from a deb archive located at:
http://packages.debian.org/fr/jessie/i386/iceape/download
on upupRaring 3.992. YMMV on your own Puppy, of course. Again: feedback welcome.

Iceape 2.7.12 for Puppy can be downloaded from: http://limelinx.com/ftk2u

How-to:
- Install the iceape pet.

- Erase the /usr/lib/seamonkey directorieS (note the plural) or move them to an inactive
back-up folder.

- Change the command inside the /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser file (or "remark" the
existing one with a #) to
Code:
iceape "$@"
. Very simple.

- I've already adapted the *.desktop files for Puppy categories, so Iceape should
integrate ok in your menu. Please note that Iceape comes with an extra desktop file for
composing e-mails, whereas Seamonkey does not have such a launcher.

- Remove the seamonkey *.desktop files from the /usr/share/applications folder.

Let us know your experience with Iceape? BFN.

musher0
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Edit: Do not erase of modify your /root/.mozilla folder. If it is already populated, Iceape
will pick up and / or adapt to what's in it. Your old Seamonkey plug-ins, configurations,
etc., will be used in the newly installed Iceape.

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 11:00    Post_subject: Re: Disappointed with the speed of recent Seamonkeys?
Sub_title: Try Iceape!
 

musher0 wrote:
If you're disappointed with the speed of recent Seamonkeys, you may wish to try
debian's Iceape. Same functions: mail, news, browser, chat, html editor; sqlite editor as
an add-on if you want.


Interesting. I thought it was just a debian-branded version of Firefox. I didn't realise it could provide all these other functions enjoyed in Seamonkey.

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 11:05    Post_subject:  

Ah, it was iceweasel I was using before that is a brand of Firefox... Haven't tried iceape.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 11:09    Post_subject:  

Hi, mcewanw.

You're thinking of icecat, the "totally free" counterpart of Firefox, published by the Free
Software Foundation. Rather clunky adaptation, IMO.

Iceape is the counterpart of Seamonkey, and it's published by Debian. This one is quite
elegant and responsive, by comparison to icecat.

BFN.

musher0

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 11:10    Post_subject:  

Iceweasel? Hadn't heard of that one.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 13:33    Post_subject:  

I ran iceape as part of the default browser install in AntiX since the early days (ver 6.5) for
years and like it.

I quite running it on my AntiX 11 box which is current with a 3.12.5 kernel and Debian testing updated yesterday, I run Firefox nightly and Seamonkey nightly in /opt with selfcontained downloaded .bz2 .

Reason is, that for a while I noticed support had dropped in Debian testing which I run and no Iceape upgrades were coming in. That was the only reason I went through
jumping hoops to change default browser installation.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2013/12/msg00053.html

AntiX runs nimbly on ram usage anyhows so I never really noticed the change. What I did notice was my iceape would not accept later Seamonkey addons because addon site said my Seamonkey was too old.

Now on my AntiX 13 installs. I run Iceweasel from Debian experimental repos to get the latest which stays pretty current with Firefox. Dillo I use for html doc viewing like downloaded web pages ,and, links2 for practice,for when I am on really low spec gear.

But don't get me wrong. Iceape learned me on using Seamonkey in Puppy so I really
liked using it.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 16:46    Post_subject:  

Just my luck. But thanks for the info , rokytnji.

On Dec. 16, Debian announced end-of-life for Iceape. Iceape being so similar to
Seamonkey, Debian cannot re-distribute it, and they're chucking Iceape. (That's what
I understand.)

[self-censored] Wink

Anyway, let's enjoy Iceape while it lasts! It's still current now! BFN.

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 11:07    Post_subject: Iceape downloading
Sub_title: Very light browser needed
 

Very light browser needed instead of Dillo because Dillo not recognized by SFR WIFI FON.
Usually distros are provided with an installed browser.
If not, old puppy user hold under their elbow one or two browser pets.
Matter is closed. But to welcome brand new Linux users, Puppy should find a very light browser to start the connection with the web.
Iceape could be this one.
An old Firefox v.3.6 does the job well. But let us get our sight larger with other products.
I come back and inform Very Happy
Iceape won't take off.
Allo Musher0, pls give us yr instructions, please. Exclamation
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 11:34    Post_subject: Disappointed with the speed of recent Seamonkeys?
Sub_title: You may wish to try Seamonkey 2.0.7
 

I have never been concerned about "Speed" but I have been concerned about
clever tricks the newer Seamonkeys demonstrate.They seem to remove usr options like cookies and how often Saves are made.This is why I use Seamonkey 2.0.7 even though it seems to upset the "Powers that be"
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Jan 2014, 16:31    Post_subject:  

faster seamonkey http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00291
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Feb 2014, 17:34    Post_subject:  

Firefox is planning to embed ads & block AdBlock - will that same bad decision be ported to Seamonkey?

My son & friends have already decided to dump FF - they're looking at the Palemoon browser (Microsoft only).

I'd prefer to stay with Seamonkey but am looking at Midori (WebKit) and Web/Epiphany (WebKit) and others.

No way I'd go to Google Chrome as I try to purge anything-Google due to their monopolistic & anti-privacy policies.

WDYT?

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Feb 2014, 11:33    Post_subject:  

Quote:
WDYT?


http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

I just usually download the .bz2 and run it from the folder that is extracted.
I would also wait and see how the Mozilla FUD all plays out first .
Nobody knows nothing yet.

But that is just me. I am not a worrier.
Too many browser choices to pick up on anyways.

http://qtweb.net/

is just one of them.

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

is another.

Another I play with is

http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/

Personal tastes matter as usual.
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PostPosted: Sat 15 Feb 2014, 05:03    Post_subject:  

edoc wrote:
Firefox is planning to embed ads & block AdBlock - will that same bad decision be ported to Seamonkey?


Where did you read that Firefox intends to block AdBlock?

This is a good summary of Mozilla's intentions:

http://www.dailydot.com/business/mozilla-firefox-sponsored-content/

The problem is easily solved.

1. Set home page to about:blank

2. Go to about:config

Search for browser.newtabpage.enabled and change value from true to false.

You will never see the new tab page again. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Feb 2014, 09:26    Post_subject:  

Our 18yr old IT major son was the one who told me about the FF changes - he sent me this link as his source:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132204-Built-In-Advertising-is-Coming-to-Firefox

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Feb 2014, 10:05    Post_subject:  

edoc wrote:
Our 18yr old IT major son was the one who told me about the FF changes - he sent me this link as his source:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132204-Built-In-Advertising-is-Coming-to-Firefox


The article is a re-write of the Mozilla statement . There is no mention of blocking AdBlock.

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