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edoc


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 12:48    Post_subject:  SeaMonkey Crashing on Laptop  

Puppy 2.10r1 HDD install.

Two Web sites open, nothing unusual, just GoDaddy and FoxNews plus E-mail.

SeaMonkey crashes without warning and takes everything down.

Anyone seeing this?

Any ideas?

Instability is an undocumented feature of MS products, not Linux! Smile

Thanks! doc

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 12:59    Post_subject: Re: SeaMonkey Crashing on Laptop  

edoc wrote:
Puppy 2.10r1 HDD install.
Instability is an undocumented feature of MS products, not Linux! Smile

Very Happy I like that frase.
Indeed since 2.10r1 install I experience SeaMonkey getting thrown out of memory when clicking on an mpeg file.
And this is on a desktop.
No real pattern found.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 14:29    Post_subject: Re: SeaMonkey Crashing on Laptop  

Béèm wrote:
edoc wrote:
Puppy 2.10r1 HDD install.
Instability is an undocumented feature of MS products, not Linux! Smile

Very Happy I like that frase.
Indeed since 2.10r1 install I experience SeaMonkey getting thrown out of memory when clicking on an mpeg file.
And this is on a desktop.
No real pattern found.


I wonder if this could a be a general memory or video memory shortage?

Anyone know how to inquire of Puppy for an error report that may explain these
crashes?

Meanwhile I am going to look at my swap file settings.

doc

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 15:07    Post_subject:  

Code:
sh-3.00# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:       255844       247700         8144            0        11632
 Swap:       102352        63452        38900
Total:       358196       311152        47044
sh-3.00#

In my case doesn't look like a shortage in memory, I suppose

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 21:47    Post_subject:  

As always, guys, when experiencing problems run the program from the command line and look for what errors pop up when trouble hits. In the case of seamonkey use the 'mozstart' command.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Oct 2006, 10:42    Post_subject:  

I was having this same problem, see here:

http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11508

For example it would bomb when visiting wikipedia.org.

I took Nathan's advice, went to wikipedia.org, and got this result in the terminal window:

Code:
sh-3.00# mozstart

(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, Bold 13.2998046875'

(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, 11.8994140625'

(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Sans L, 11.8994140625'

(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, 13.2998046875'

(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, Bold 11.8994140625'
Segmentation fault
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Oct 2006, 10:56    Post_subject:  

PaulBx1 wrote:
I was having this same problem,
...snip!
Segmentation fault


So is this a problem that Seamonkey needs to fix or is it a conflict with something in Puppy?

Is there a workaround that tells it to substitute for the offending font or may a
file be added that gives Seamonkey what it needs?

What is a segmentation fault anyway?

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Oct 2006, 11:01    Post_subject:  

I don't know what "segmentation fault" means, but I do know it is bad. Laughing

It seems Seamonkey is now at 1.0.5. The changelog for that revision describes several fixes of crashes.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/releases/seamonkey1.0.5/changelog.html

Maybe ours is one of them. I tried to click on the second to last link describing the crash, and Seamonkey bombed! Rolling Eyes

Does everybody else get a crash when going to wikipedia.org? How about in Puppy 2.11? I suppose it should be the same, since it is still Seamonkey 1.0.4...
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Oct 2006, 23:28    Post_subject:  

I have upgraded to Puppy 2.11 (looks nice and refined, with that reworked boot Smile ), went to wikipedia.org and Seamonkey crashed again. Hope Seamonkey 1.0.5 fixes it, and I hope we get it in a Puppy release soon.
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MU


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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 00:59    Post_subject:  

Seamonkey 1.0.5 also crashes sometimes, too.
Especially flash seems to be a reason.
I use almost only Konqueror from KDE, it is faster, and crashes almost never.
But I use no flash in it.

Mark
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 12:18    Post_subject:  

Mark, excuse the dumb question, but what do you mean by "flash"? I looked in the browser preferences to find something referring to flash, but didn't see it.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 13:06    Post_subject:  

flash is the flash player, used in browsers like SeaMonkey and others. There is a separate thread about it.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 15:57    Post_subject:  

flash is a plugin:
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

It is needed for some multimedia-content on webpages.
As flash often is used for commercials on newssites, I do not use it in Konqueror.
So pages load faster and are more stable.

In seamonkey you could deactivate it by renaming the file to
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so--

Then restart seamonkey.

With flash, you can see these tutorials:
http://rhinoweb.us
without flash, no animation is visible.

I personally use Konqueror as everyday-browser without flash, and Seamonkey only seldom for sites with flash like the tutorials (the tutorials don't crash it).

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 16:11    Post_subject:  

the Flash intro on Adrienne Barbeau's webpage seems to crash Firefox and Seamonkey if you click Enter ... with the Flash 9 beta anyway ... i hate Flash navigation

easy enough to bypass ...
http://www.google.ca/search?&as_sitesearch=abarbeau.com

http://abarbeau.com/adriennebarbeau_home.html
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 16:28    Post_subject:  

and Rhino's Flash crashes Firefox with Flash 9 beta, Puppy 211, when you close the Flash tab

Flash 7 doesn't crash on Rhino's animations
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