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edoc

Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 3942 Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
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Posted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 12:48 Post_subject:
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Puppy 2.10r1 HDD install.
Two Web sites open, nothing unusual, just GoDaddy and FoxNews plus E-mail.
SeaMonkey crashes without warning and takes everything down.
Anyone seeing this?
Any ideas?
Instability is an undocumented feature of MS products, not Linux!
Thanks! doc
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Béèm

Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 513 Location: Brussels
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Posted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 12:59 Post_subject:
Re: SeaMonkey Crashing on Laptop |
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| edoc wrote: | Puppy 2.10r1 HDD install.
Instability is an undocumented feature of MS products, not Linux! |
I like that frase.
Indeed since 2.10r1 install I experience SeaMonkey getting thrown out of memory when clicking on an mpeg file.
And this is on a desktop.
No real pattern found.
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edoc

Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 3942 Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
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Posted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 14:29 Post_subject:
Re: SeaMonkey Crashing on Laptop |
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| Béèm wrote: | | edoc wrote: | Puppy 2.10r1 HDD install.
Instability is an undocumented feature of MS products, not Linux! |
I like that frase.
Indeed since 2.10r1 install I experience SeaMonkey getting thrown out of memory when clicking on an mpeg file.
And this is on a desktop.
No real pattern found. |
I wonder if this could a be a general memory or video memory shortage?
Anyone know how to inquire of Puppy for an error report that may explain these
crashes?
Meanwhile I am going to look at my swap file settings.
doc
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Béèm

Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 513 Location: Brussels
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Posted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 15:07 Post_subject:
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| Code: | sh-3.00# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 255844 247700 8144 0 11632
Swap: 102352 63452 38900
Total: 358196 311152 47044
sh-3.00# |
In my case doesn't look like a shortage in memory, I suppose
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Nathan F

Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 1641 Location: Wadsworth, OH (occasionally home)
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Posted: Sun 15 Oct 2006, 21:47 Post_subject:
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As always, guys, when experiencing problems run the program from the command line and look for what errors pop up when trouble hits. In the case of seamonkey use the 'mozstart' command.
Nathan
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PaulBx1
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2308 Location: Wyoming, USA
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Posted: Wed 18 Oct 2006, 10:42 Post_subject:
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I was having this same problem, see here:
http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11508
For example it would bomb when visiting wikipedia.org.
I took Nathan's advice, went to wikipedia.org, and got this result in the terminal window:
| Code: | sh-3.00# mozstart
(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, Bold 13.2998046875'
(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, 11.8994140625'
(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Sans L, 11.8994140625'
(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, 13.2998046875'
(seamonkey-bin:17028): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Nimbus Roman No9 L, Bold 11.8994140625'
Segmentation fault
sh-3.00#
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edoc

Joined: 07 Aug 2005 Posts: 3942 Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
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Posted: Wed 18 Oct 2006, 10:56 Post_subject:
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| PaulBx1 wrote: | I was having this same problem,
...snip!
Segmentation fault
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So is this a problem that Seamonkey needs to fix or is it a conflict with something in Puppy?
Is there a workaround that tells it to substitute for the offending font or may a
file be added that gives Seamonkey what it needs?
What is a segmentation fault anyway?
Thanks! doc
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PaulBx1
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Posted: Wed 18 Oct 2006, 11:01 Post_subject:
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I don't know what "segmentation fault" means, but I do know it is bad.
It seems Seamonkey is now at 1.0.5. The changelog for that revision describes several fixes of crashes.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/releases/seamonkey1.0.5/changelog.html
Maybe ours is one of them. I tried to click on the second to last link describing the crash, and Seamonkey bombed!
Does everybody else get a crash when going to wikipedia.org? How about in Puppy 2.11? I suppose it should be the same, since it is still Seamonkey 1.0.4...
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PaulBx1
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2308 Location: Wyoming, USA
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Posted: Fri 20 Oct 2006, 23:28 Post_subject:
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I have upgraded to Puppy 2.11 (looks nice and refined, with that reworked boot ), went to wikipedia.org and Seamonkey crashed again. Hope Seamonkey 1.0.5 fixes it, and I hope we get it in a Puppy release soon.
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MU

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 13642 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 00:59 Post_subject:
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Seamonkey 1.0.5 also crashes sometimes, too.
Especially flash seems to be a reason.
I use almost only Konqueror from KDE, it is faster, and crashes almost never.
But I use no flash in it.
Mark
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PaulBx1
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 12:18 Post_subject:
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Mark, excuse the dumb question, but what do you mean by "flash"? I looked in the browser preferences to find something referring to flash, but didn't see it.
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Béèm

Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 513 Location: Brussels
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 13:06 Post_subject:
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flash is the flash player, used in browsers like SeaMonkey and others. There is a separate thread about it.
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MU

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 13642 Location: Karlsruhe, Germany
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 15:57 Post_subject:
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flash is a plugin:
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
It is needed for some multimedia-content on webpages.
As flash often is used for commercials on newssites, I do not use it in Konqueror.
So pages load faster and are more stable.
In seamonkey you could deactivate it by renaming the file to
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so--
Then restart seamonkey.
With flash, you can see these tutorials:
http://rhinoweb.us
without flash, no animation is visible.
I personally use Konqueror as everyday-browser without flash, and Seamonkey only seldom for sites with flash like the tutorials (the tutorials don't crash it).
Mark
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GuestToo
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 4078
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 16:11 Post_subject:
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the Flash intro on Adrienne Barbeau's webpage seems to crash Firefox and Seamonkey if you click Enter ... with the Flash 9 beta anyway ... i hate Flash navigation
easy enough to bypass ...
http://www.google.ca/search?&as_sitesearch=abarbeau.com
http://abarbeau.com/adriennebarbeau_home.html
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GuestToo
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Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 4078
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct 2006, 16:28 Post_subject:
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and Rhino's Flash crashes Firefox with Flash 9 beta, Puppy 211, when you close the Flash tab
Flash 7 doesn't crash on Rhino's animations
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