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#2721 Post by gcmartin »

playdayz wrote:... Quickpet was 01micko's creation entirely and he wrote all the code. That Drivers section is ....
Could Quickpet be adapted to predetermine which kernel is in use and then run accordingly. This way adaptations might be minimal with a simple switch...maybe.

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#2722 Post by James C »

Quick test of lupusuper2.on a semi-old box live pfix=ram. All basics working on initial boot.
Only thing so far, Quickpet recommends the wrong driver for this kernel. See Screenshot.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Super Lucid , version 002

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe glx dri

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx i2c int10 kbd mouse nv ramdac record vgahw xaa

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1440x900 pixels (402x251 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

Actually using the "nv" driver.

Code: Select all

# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      3374404       595552      2778852            0        52472
 Swap:      8294396            0      8294396
Total:     11668800       595552     11073248
# 
-Computer-
Processor : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory : 3374MB (187MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Puppy Linux
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Tue Dec 17 13:48:38 2013
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

-Version-
Kernel : Linux 3.2.48 (i686)
Version : #1 SMP Thu Jul 11 12:20:55 GMT-8 2013
C Library : GNU C Library version 2.11.1 (stable)
Distribution : Puppy Linux
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lupusuper1 temporarily withdrawn

#2723 Post by rerwin »

I discovered that lupusuper1 was incorrectly built on kernel 2.6.37.6 instead of 3.0.25, so have removed from the set of downloads. I expect to replace it later today.
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#2724 Post by James C »

THD live pfix=ram.Everything working on initial boot.Quickpet did recommend the correct driver.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Three-Headed_Dog, version 001

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe glx dri

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx i2c int10 kbd mouse nv ramdac record vgahw xaa

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1440x900 pixels (402x251 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

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# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      3375104       574820      2800284            0        42832
 Swap:      8294396            0      8294396
Total:     11669500       574820     11094680
# 
Same hardware as above. Looks good.

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#2725 Post by James C »

Fresh frugal install of lupu-5.2.8.6-20131215 on the old Athlon XP box. Looks good.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Lucid , version 528

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe glx dri
Drivers requested to be loaded: nvidia

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): nvidia
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 extmod fb glx kbd mouse ramdac record

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1440x900 pixels (411x263 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
4245 frames in 5.0 seconds
5975 frames in 5.0 seconds
6021 frames in 5.0 seconds
5993 frames in 5.0 seconds
6057 frames in 5.0 seconds
6035 frames in 5.0 seconds
5974 frames in 5.0 seconds

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (170MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Puppy Linux
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Tue Dec 17 23:35:51 2013
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235

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# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      1034888       593708       441180            0        35092
 Swap:      1228932            0      1228932
Total:      2263820       593708      1670112
# 

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#2726 Post by rerwin »

I have rebuilt lupusuper1 and built lupusuper3. They are uploaded to join the rest of the lupus at:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dc28t2r ... es-5.2.8.6

I expect to add lupusuper4 tomorrow.

The lupusupers are still considered experimental. I recommend using the lowest-numbered version that meets your hardware needs, because the risks of incompatibility probably increase with later kernels.

As I see them:
  • Lupusuper1 is the first version that supports xz compression, used in recent puppies.

    Lupusuper2 also has analog modem support and should be able to use video drivers built for precise 5.7.1 (kernel 3.2.48).

    Lupusupers 3 and 4 are suggested by radky, who might provide more info on their benefits, if any, beyond the additional drivers for newer hardware.
Many thanks go to radky for his patience while I refined the technique of kernel substitution. And for his extensive testing and reporting of issues to be fixed, as well as the new set of backgrounds (now in the supers, soon in lupu).
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#2727 Post by playdayz »

Not sure if it could be as easy as this, but look what I see.

In Lupu3hd
Quickpet->drivers
Select Nvidia
I get a a list of drivers for the kernel in Lupu3hd
I am surprised. I tested 3HD drivers for an ATI card and it downloaded the wrong one. I am glad the nvidia drivers work. There are 2 parts to the code: one part determines what kind of card therefore driver one needs and the second part downloads it. It does look like someone could adapt that second part so if someone clicked Nvidia it would show them proper drivers, maybe identifying by kernel number. Determining which of those nvidia drivers they actually need is still tedious at least, and still someone would have to adapt that code for each lupu and build (or collect) all those drivers. It could be done surely, but I am sorry that I would not be able to be the one to do it. You will notice that 01micko has removed this from slacko, which suggests the difficulty of maintaining it. etc.

Add: I see that the code is still in Slacko 5.6.5 under Setup -> Graphics Drivers. It would be a challenge for some clever person to adapt it back to the new Lupu's.

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#2728 Post by bigpup »

rerwin,

Are you starting to have a graphics driver Linux kernel headache? :twisted: :D
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#2729 Post by playdayz »

Bigpup wrote:
rerwin,

Are you starting to have a graphics driver Linux kernel headache?
I bet he his. There are a number of things in Lucid that were a big pain but that I thought were justified in terms of the quality of the user experience. I still do but I am sure there were times 01micko dreaded it when I had a "great idea." But wait a minute, I remember when Bigpup thought it was a great idea to make all of the Help work! That was a big pain and well worth it I agree.

In this case of the proprietary drivers things are even worse because of the different kernels. I think what I might do (if I were doing it) is maybe link to the Xorg-High driver on the Drivers Tab and then refer users to the forum for the proprietary drivers. Or even just leave it alone and make a note on the first page of the 5.2.8.6 forum (maybe plus links to the appropriate drivers). It is much easier to make that change on a forum page than in the code of Lupu and at some point rerwin (as every designer) has to consider cost/benefit.

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Candidates for long-term release version of 5.2.8.6 uploaded

#2730 Post by rerwin »

I have made all of the adjustments I can think of to make the Super Lucid Pup (sulu) versions go together correctly. and have included those fixes in all variants of lupu/sulu, for consistency. I hope this set, 20131221, will be the last for awhile, since the feedback implies that there are no "showstoppers". Here, again, is the link to lupu...20131221:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dc28t2r ... es-5.2.8.6

The new set includes LibreOffice 4.1.4 (in lupulibre and lupuplus and as a separate download). My plan is to release updates as LibreOffice is upgraded, at least through the last of the 4.1 series, 4.1.6, in the spring.

I have updated the history back on page 158:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 108#726108
and then the 5.2.8.6 main page.

I would like to see feedback and development conversations continue in this thread and to reserve the 5.2.8.6 thread for information that benefits users of the new lupu. Please keep "Video Info GLX" reports in this feedback thread, to avoid growing the 5.2.8.6 thread into an excessive number of pages that would overwhelm/discourage users seeking information.

Regarding additional functionality in 20131221 versus 20131215, there is little difference in the "lupus". The main changes are to remasterpup2 to accommodate the "kernel switching" needed to build the "sulus" (2-4).

Regarding the video graphics drivers, they are way out of my league, so I am not attempting to include anything about them in the release. However, I will do what I can to support efforts to make the proprietary drivers available. Message 3 of the 5.2.8.6 thread is reserved for links to packages that can be added to Lucid Pup. The driver links would go there. I can host the drivers at my download site, if necessary or desirable, and can modify QuickPet as necessary, in a supplemental pet package.
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#2731 Post by bigpup »

About graphics drivers.
At Nvidia's web site
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
Here is the list of drivers for Linux.

To use them to make and install a driver, need the devx file and kernel source file.

Where can I find the kernel source file for the Lupusuper versions?

I assume the Lupu 528 devx file will work for any version of Lupu?
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kernel sources

#2732 Post by jeff757 »

Pending Rerwin's verification this is what I have found.

lupu3hd k2.6.37.6 http://www.smokey01.com/menu go to playdayz last entry

lupusuper1 k3.0.25 http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02780

lupesuper2 k3.2.48 http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00317

lupusuper3 k3.5.2 http://www.smokey01.com/menu go to pemasu's 4th entry

lupusuper4 k3.9.9 http://www.smokey01.com/menu go to pemasu's 1st entry

Hopefully I got these right.

jeff

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Re: Source code links, Updated gnome-mplayer

#2733 Post by rerwin »

jeff757,
Thanks for posting the links to the source SFS files. I found that for the smokey01 links, I need to also click on the "ISO" icon ("puppy distributions") to get to the page containing the actual links to the files.

As for devx, I am assuming the lupu devx should work for all lupusuper/sulu versions, but have not tried using it. I also assume it is best to compile in the target version, to avoid possible compiler complaints.

Although I am familiar with compiling drivers, I have not mastered compiling applications, with all of their possible dependencies. I am relying on those of you comfortable doing that, to provide the additions to lupu/sulu. (I will provide a link for you to upload to the lupu 5.2.8.6 download site.)

On another subject, I have placed in the third posting of the "5.2.8.6" thread a link to packages constituting gnome-player-1.0.7. I find that "1.0.7" avoids a "null pointer" error that kills gnome-mplayer 1.0.4. It does log some debug-type messages, but at least does the job. I would appreciate some feedback on "1.0.7", as I plan to add it to the lupus/sulus the next time I upload them.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 520#739520

BTW, I am adding Barry's "gnomemplayershell" logic to lupu, modified for lupu's internal structure and done in a different way. It defaults to video output driver "x11" for graphics driver "vesa" and "xv" for all others, overridden, of course, by whatever the user has already selected (in Edit > Preferences). This avoids the need to instruct users to use "x11" if "xv" does not work. The logic also suppresses the X screensaver during mplayer operation; but I am not sure how to test that. I expect it should prevent any screen saver from interrupting mplayer sessions.

Although "20131221" may be the final "5.2.8.6", please alert me ASAP to anything I should attend to, to fix right away if I can.
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Re: Source code links, Updated gnome-mplayer

#2734 Post by ASRI éducation »

rerwin wrote:Although "20131221" may be the final "5.2.8.6", please alert me ASAP to anything I should attend to, to fix right away if I can.
Richard
May be added http://dev01.asri-education.org/asriedu ... 3_i386.deb (for scripts using eval_gettext function).
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#2735 Post by rerwin »

ASRI éducation,
Thanks for your comment.

I included the additional gettext components in 5.2.8.6 some time ago. The only pieces not included are those in the /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/java directories. Are they essential?

Please try what is already provided and tell me if there are any problems related to the omitted /usr/share parts.
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#2736 Post by ASRI éducation »

rerwin wrote:I included the additional gettext components in 5.2.8.6 some time ago. The only pieces not included are those in the /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/java directories. Are they essential?
No, I don't think they are essential (so don't had it in iso).
Together, let me congratulate all contributors for this project (I'm still a fan of Lucid).

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#2737 Post by bigpup »

Here is a bug report about Chrome crashes on 5.2.8.6
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=91059
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#2738 Post by bigpup »

Lucid 5.2.8.6 makes another happy Puppy user! :D 8)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 261#747261
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#2739 Post by bigpup »

Nvidia graphics driver for:

lupusuper1 k3.0.25

Used the Nvidia graphics driver package from here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
The Lucid 528 devx file from here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70855
Linux kernel source file from here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02780
Loaded the devx sfs file and kernel source sfs file.
Ran the Nvidia graphics driver package run file.
Everything needed was compiled and installed.
Used the Xorgwizard to configure.
Reboot.
Now using the Nvidia driver for graphics.

The links to files, posted earlier, by me and jeff757 seem to be good for lupusuper1 k3.0.25.

The Add-on (devx) for all versions of Lucid 528.005 file seemed to have all that was needed for make program.
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#2740 Post by EdD »

bigpup wrote:Lucid 5.2.8.6 makes another happy Puppy user! :D 8)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 261#747261
Yes, indeed. I'm happy with rerwin's masterful remaster. Since this afternoon, I've done full hard drive installs on two machines and they are both apparently happy. I'm really impressed with Lucid, especially since getting my hands on 5.2.8.6.

Thanks, rerwin.

Regards,
Ed

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