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James C


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 19:05    Post subject:  

Installed Iceweasel and MTpaint........

Code:
user@debian:~$ uname -r
3.2.0-4-486
user@debian:~$ uname -a
Linux debian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux
user@debian:~$
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 19:16    Post subject:  

Tx James; I`ll give it a try immediately.
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 20:55    Post subject:  

The menu EXIT exits JWM and it restarts, and RESTART restarts JWM. There`s no shutdown.

Tried login with "root" and it replies Login incorrect. So I can`t install anything.

# Pentum D 805 ( 64 bit cpu I`m sure. ). I`m using vmlinuz1 for the non-pae kernel.
I had to dig through the config. files to find out which one was which.
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James C


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 22:27    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
The menu EXIT exits JWM and it restarts, and RESTART restarts JWM. There`s no shutdown.


I've been using the terminal.. "sudo poweroff" or "sudo reboot".

sunburnt wrote:
Tried login with "root" and it replies Login incorrect. So I can`t install anything.

# Pentum D 805 ( 64 bit cpu I`m sure. ). I`m using vmlinuz1 for the non-pae kernel.
I had to dig through the config. files to find out which one was which.
.


Used "sudo" to run apt-get and install packages too.Worked for me anyway.
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Schpankme


Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 22:51    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:


... apt-get
... This distro has Debian parentage.
... Most Puppies have no real package parentage.
... Debian "just works"...


Thx, this 'parentage is what I liked about Debian 7.2; which does allow for Minimal Debian Install:

Getting Debian (www.debian.org) > small installation image (select required iso) > Install to Flash drive or CD

Boot > Debian Installer Boot Menu > Advanced Options > Expert Install > Follow the prompts from here ...


edit: Debian changed the links - updated

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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 23:30    Post subject:  

James C; How about a quick tutorial on apt-get installing.?
Ones for Ice Weasel and MtPaint would be good.

Also... How is Wheezy saving anything at all.?
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saintless


Joined: 11 Jun 2011
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Location: Bulgaria

PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 03:06    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Hi, Toni.

I tried to boot using three of the four options, and each one hangs at:
Quote:
[ok] Starting anac(h)ronistic cron: anacron


I suppose that doesn't help much, does it?

Oh well. BFN.

musher0
~~~~~~~~
PS. If you think it'll help, I'll PM you an "inxi" description of my rig.

Thanks, Musher0,
it helps and anacron is already removed.

Thanks for all the tests, guys.
Please, do not play with this version anymore. The main reason was to see if network and apt get is working.
It is in very rough unshaped form yet. There is no links in the menu connected to www browser etc.

Wait a few days to upload proper version for testing. I hope the size also be smaller.

Do not use autologin option in grub menu with this version. Use noautologin.
You should get to command prompt logged as user. Then type:
Code:
sudo login

login as root with password marina and type startx.
But better wait few days for better shaped version from this one.
If you are logged in as user type susdo infront every command:
sudo apt-get update
sudo reboot

How tyo use apt get:
Code:
apt-get update


If you like GUI package manager:
Code:
apt-get install synaptic


If you search apps with apt-get:
Code:
apt-cache search name-or-part-of-package-name


After installing applications run:
Code:
apt-get clean


to remove the downloaded deb-files in /var/cache/apt/archives

If you want only to download packages without installing them:
Code:
apt-get -d install package-name


If you install downloaded deb package use:
Code:
dpkg -i package-name


Then install missing dependencies with:
Code:
apt-get -f install


To fully remove installed package and configuration files:
Code:
apt-get purge package-name

Code:
apt-get autoremove


Trying to slimm down light wheezy today and tomorrow and I will upload similar to light squeeze version for proper testing.
Then I will try to document all you need to know how to use debian.

Save file in wheezy is a bit of a pain to explain proper. I had to do it three times to make it work. It is easy if you know how to do it by the way. Let me upload the new wheezy version and I will do this at the same time.

Cheers, Toni

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James C


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 03:10    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
James C; How about a quick tutorial on apt-get installing.?
Ones for Ice Weasel and MtPaint would be good.

Also... How is Wheezy saving anything at all.?


I haven't tried saving yet.....was just testing apt-get.

Almost time for sleep again but here goes..........

In a terminal run sudo apt-get update (follow the prompts and answer any questions).This updates all package lists/cache etc.

To install Iceweasel,in a terminal again run sudo apt-get install iceweasel (will need to answer "y" a couple of times).

To install Mtpaint, you guessed it, in a terminal run sudo apt-get install mtpaint (answer "y""a couple more times).

If running as root you could forget the "sudo".
If bored a little light reading......
http://www.binarytides.com/apt-get-tutorial-package-management-ubuntu-commandline/
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saintless


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 03:14    Post subject:  

Thanks, James C,
Wheezy changed much the debian live structure. I have no dea way and have to read more about.
Save file can be implemented with a script or commands easy. So don't think of this now. Wait two days for the next version and save file instructions.

Cheers, Toni

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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 03:49    Post subject:  

Looks good guys, many thanks.
And James, the web page is a good one, found many not so good ones.

I increase my Debian knowledge for the next day or so.
I used Deb about 15 years ago, and again 10 years ago. Been so long it`s foggy.
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 04:50    Post subject:  

So what is Sid? Is he compatible.

I noticed it has newer updated versions over the other two repositories.

If Linux is confusing to the experts, think what it does to the testers!

Any chance of a version with bloody inflexible jwm removed and an openbox tint2 version, at least puppy/debian frankenstein can then have some transparency and make taskbars, icons bigger/ smaller, more cohesive.

Anyways good job on the LDCLCD Wheezy Saintless!
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James C


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 05:17    Post subject:  

Smithy wrote:
So what is Sid? Is he compatible.

I noticed it has newer updated versions over the other two repositories.


My personal favorite branch of Debian. Sid is classified as unstable ......less tested and occasionally crashes and burns. Laughing I have several Sid installs and they are, as the classification says, more unstable than Wheezy.

Stable ............... Wheezy

Testing .............. Jessie

Unstable ............Sid


More interesting reading....

http://www.debian.org/releases/
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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 06:49    Post subject:  

Smithy wrote:
Any chance of a version with bloody inflexible jwm removed and an openbox tint2 version, at least puppy/debian frankenstein can then have some transparency and make taskbars, icons bigger/ smaller, more cohesive.

Hi, Smithy,
way making another distro with no options to change it the way you like to? What you want is so easy:
Code:
apt-get install openbox

Code:
apt-get install tint2

The idea is to make one small core booting to jwm with working network connection and xterm only included.
From here you can do all you want.

I will do this core plus one version with some applications as I can do it best without growing up the size more than 100-120 Mb. Hope less than 100 Mb.

This is the plan for wheezy and squeeze version.

I agree it is not newb friendly much but puppy is what we love and mostly use here. It is unbeatable in this direction for so small size and so many apps. Light Debian Core is an option to do things that will be much harder in puppy - downloading programs from big stable repositories and have them working in few minutes.

Cheers, Toni

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Smithy


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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 09:13    Post subject:  

Ok, thanks for the info on these.

It was unbelievably difficult to get a fully working Qtractor/Jack in Pemasu's Wheezy, but I eventually managed it (only up to 0.5.1 in Wheezy).
I have a list of the debs that will do it, if there is a madman out there who wants to make a pet, but there were many many debs that were not required (the duplicates issue). One wrong move and it all messed up.

Trouble is, that Pemasu has done loads of fixes (which is good) but I would have to start all over again to get it all back, like riding a bucking bronco lol.

If we can navigate round your Light Debian like Puppy then it will be another fine distro!

Until Barry comes back and trumps everyone with a super puppy or something.
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sklimkin

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Dec 2013, 12:58    Post subject: Debian (wheezy & squeese) - live-tools  

Hi, Toni.
In the newly created Debian (release 6.0.7 kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae both squeeze & wheezy) I install live-boot & live-boot-initramfs-tools & live-config.
But I can not dynamically load ("on the fly") *.sfs (*.sqauashfs) programs.
I can not also save the state of the system through the live-snapshot (it missing).
Live-cd-iso I do through debootstrap and chroot, but it does not change a thing.

It is difficult to understand who spoiled these tools:
team of Debian by adding systemd & drakut or author of live-tools Daniel Baumann.
But it is clear that both tend to be at the level of the latest trends.
And "the dog is buried here".

Possible solution can be found when reading these files:
/lib/live/boot/FIXME ("explanations & apologies"),
/lib/live/boot.sh
/lib/live/config/0010-debconf
But I do not understand how to take advantage of.

One more thing: by creating ubuntu-live-iso I use the old:
live-boot_2.0.15-1_all.deb & live-boot-initramfs-tools_2.0.15-1_all.deb
and everything works as it should.
But I can not use these packages in Debian, unfortunately - they are for ubuntu only.
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