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[saintless]

# I`ve never seen a setup that you couldn`t change the dir. name.

# Would "boot=live" need to be "boot=Debian-Live".?
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H3V home page:
http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html
There is a way to change the name of live folder. I just haven't test it my self. I will read how it has to be done from Grub and I will add this and much more information in the next days in the first post.

Today I will try to explain how to slim down debian this way in different topic. I will have to do some steps again to explain it proper. I might not answer soon enough to questions here but I will try.

Cheers, Toni

[sunburnt]

Thanks for this Toni, it`s something different for sure. Terry

[saintless]

Pity it needs a pae-capable CPU - doesn't work in my old lappy unfortunately.

Is this the message you get on boot?
I will try to make a version with no pae kernel. Two kernels in this version will increase the size with about 40-50%. Check out the first post for information about this in a few days.

[saintless]

This is the topic about reducing debian live size. Please, wait until tomorrow to add all I can there.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 785#741785

[nooby]

Wow saintless much appreciated you share this with all of us.
I am a bit lazy this week but most likely I will try it out
and report here if it worked on my 64 bit dual core AMD x2 CPU
HP/Compaq desktop with 3gb RAM only the radeon? graphic may
be a problem.

So if I get it it does not have any browser from scratch one use apt get?

What about connecting to the Router Modem how does one do that?

And how does one know if one have pae-capable CPU or not?
AMD X2 64 bit

[saintless]

Wow saintless much appreciated you share this with all of us.
I am a bit lazy this week but most likely I will try it out
and report here if it worked on my 64 bit dual core AMD x2 CPU
HP/Compaq desktop with 3gb RAM only the radeon? graphic may
be a problem.

So if I get it it does not have any browser from scratch one use apt get?

What about connecting to the Router Modem how does one do that?

Hi, Nooby Nice to see you here

Everything could be a problem but the testing will tell. I think the kernel will support your hardware.
It has H3V web browser with menu entry. If you use wired connection there is a good chance to have it working from boot. If you use wireless better wait a few days till I create sfs with wicd. It does not have it now.

Cheers, Toni

[Keef]

After a bit of effort, got the savefile to be recognised. No idea why it wasn't picked up to start with, but all's well now. Started with instructions I had searched for, which were actually just like the ones you posted later, but something must have been amiss.
Got online wirelessly, but had to copy over firmware for ipw2200.
Also copied working wpa_supplicant.conf (settings already filled in), and used a short script to connect.

[saintless]

Got online wirelessly, but had to copy over firmware for ipw2200.
Also copied working wpa_supplicant.conf (settings already filled in), and used a short script to connect.

Thank you, Keef,
do you mind later to describe exactly what you did and post the script for other users. I can't test wireless at all and I will be forced to add wicd, which I don't like to do if there is another way.

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

Thanks Toni here is my old Pussycat

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  title Pussy 
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /live/vmlinuz live-media-path=/live boot=live config persistent noprompt quickreboot noautologin
  initrd /live/initrd.img

and you suggest for Light-Debian-Core the following

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title Light-Debian-Core-Test
root=(hd0,0)
kernel /live/vmlinuz boot=live config persistent swapon quickreboot noprompt autologin
initrd /live/initrd.img
boot

So both have a Directory named live.

I will try then to hide Pussy but renaming it Pussylive
I did most of what you suggested and here I am using
the h3v whatever its name was. Wow what next no hurry.

I would need to listen to music on youtube and local mp4 files

I set the keyboard to Sedish using Terminal
set xkbmap se worked instantly but your advice to set it already
on the boot text is a good one.

Cool little distro wish you good luck to make it as you plan to.

[sheldonisaac]

(parts were omitted)

Can you please inform us puppians how we set up a save file to make our apt-get additions permanent.

Download and extract this empty save file made from Sickgut on top of any ext or vfat partition.
http://smokey01.com/saintless/1gb-example-save-file.zip
Boot the CD in copy to RAM or live mode. It will find the save file from boot.

I did it from a 'frugal' setup; is that OK? It does seem to work.

0r run this from terminal:

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dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/sda1/live-rw bs=1M count=1000
mkfs.ext2 /mnt/sda1/live-rw

it will create 1000 Mb save file on top of sda1 (if you run it from puppy linux). You can change the size from count=1000

I did change it to 'count=128' ;This did not seem to work; will you please tell what detailed info to provide, or tests to do?

EDIT:
I tried again, this time doing the
mkfs.ext2 /live/image/live-rw
and said y when the system warned
"live-rw is not a block special device.
Proceed anyway? (y,n)"

Thank you.

[saintless]

Glad to hear it works for you, Nooby

will you please tell what detailed info to provide, or tests to do?

Hi, Sheldonisaac,
Just play a little and have fun. Install what you like from apt-get, mount usb drives and partitions with different file systems, see if the network connection and sound is working. It has alsa installed. After installing media player if there is no sound just type:

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alsactl init

and see if it works.
Report anything that doesn't work. If you have wireless try to set it up and give your solution. Wireless is my bigger problem for the moment. WICD is something I don't like to include.
See what you like and don't like in this distro and share.

Cheers, Toni

[saintless]

OK, pupians,
I have a small announcement to make. It is soon enough for conclusions but the testing so far does not give me reason to doubt.
Creating Light-Debian-Core-Live-CD for upload I broke a little the structure of the squashfs with purpose.
You can see what is broken if you open top directory and find two broken links: /initrd.img /vmlinuz
They are connected to the missing /boot folder containing linux kernel and initrd.img. It is not strange nobody noticed this because puppy linux doesn't have folder /boot This gave me the idea to try to remove /boot since we already have initrd.img and vmlinuz in /live folder and they are loaded on boot.
I was wandering what can go wrong with /boot missing. They have inside config and system.map files. I can think of one serious reason to put them back in the next version. You might not be able to upgrade the kernel without them. But the kernel is newer enough and I doubt someone will need to upgrade it again. The distro is upgraded to the latest sqweeze packages.
/boot will take about 12-15 Mb space. Unfortunately initrd.img is already compressed file.
Any thoughts way we should keep /boot in or out are welcome.

Cheers, Toni

[sunburnt]

If it`s going to be maintained, so there`s going to be new releases, /boot probably no big deal.

I want a stripped version like this to be maintained. Maybe without H3V and Xfe.
The idea is to build new better system guis to replace Puppy`s and overcome some failings.
.

[saintless]

If it`s going to be maintained, so there`s going to be new releases, /boot probably no big deal.

/boot missing does not cause any troubles and saves 15 Mb compressed data. For me it means it stays out of the iso. Just in case I will do separate squashfs (SFS if we use puppy language) with /boot and the links to initrd.img and vmlinuz. I will upload separate sfs on the site. They can be loaded any time in any order without breaking dpkg database. By the way trying to upgrade to kernel 3.9 while doing this was a big trouble with no luck for me. I guess for better kernel we have to look forward with debian current stable.

I want a stripped version like this to be maintained. Maybe without H3V and Xfe.

I don't see any problem removing H3V, XFE, Luvcview and Xpdf. But I will do one as I see it best also. As far as I can do it it will be maintained.
Trying to create one with non-pae 486 kernel today and finish the thread for slimming down debian live.

Cheers, Toni

[saintless]

Pity it needs a pae-capable CPU - doesn't work in my old lappy unfortunately.

Uploaded Light-Debian-Core-Live-nopae.iso with kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-486 for CPU without pae support.
http://www.smokey01.com/saintless/
First post updated.

[saintless]

EDIT:
I tried again, this time doing the
mkfs.ext2 /live/image/live-rw
and said y when the system warned
"live-rw is not a block special device.
Proceed anyway? (y,n)"

I didn't see your update earlier. If you create save file from debian live use this for 128 Mb:

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dd if=/dev/zero of=/live/image/live-rw bs=1M count=128
mkfs.ext2 -F /live/image/live-rw

After installing something with apt-get run

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apt-get clean

to remove the downloaded deb files from the save file. /var/cache/apt/archives
I have to explain better in the next days how we use debian live.

Cheers, Toni

[nooby]

saintless
Toni as you remember SickGut told us
that he failed at making the Debian Wheezy version
as small as he made the Squeeze

Based on you experience now with building your version
could you do the same for Wheezy? Not that I need it
but some seems to long for that version maybe it has features
not on Squeeze? Different Repo most likely?

So I don't need it but maybe others would want you to.

[emil]

Hi Toni,
i think the non pae iso on the server has wrong permissions.
cheers

[anikin]

nooby,
Thank you for asking that question - you took it out of my mouth.
Played a bit more with Lite-Debian - all I can say, saintless has done a great job.
I added xorg.conf to my install (it's not there by default), so that I can setup my keyboard, best screen resolution and so on. It uses the native Elantech touchpad driver, instead of more generic Synaptic one, as my puppies do. Somewhere in the logs, I noticed an error message, like "failed to open jwm-bg.xpm." No problem - we can put in our own background to stop the complaint, see attached image below. I also slightlly improved font rendering, although, you probably won't see it because of the image size.

[saintless]

Hi Toni,
i think the non pae iso on the server has wrong permissions.
cheers

Thank you, Emil,
I will check it out.

Nooby, Anikin. It is on my mind to see what I can do from wheezy.
To tell you the truth I was a bit confused from the new save file construction but after some tests I think it might be much better than live-rw we have now. I still learning how it works, but it seems we can do any kind of settings in this file to save all or what we like only by configuration file inside the file. I'm not sure I will be able to slim it down enough but I will try to do it in near future. Maybe Sickgut will get back till then to help. All his work with Debian Wheezy might be lost now.