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Marv


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 09:46    Post subject:  

rg66 wrote:
Geoffrey and I have released Carolite-1.1, a lite version of Carolina based on non-pae. It weighs in at just under 150mb with a basic set of apps.

http://smokey01.com/carolina/isos/non-pae/Carolite-1.1.iso
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Hi rg66,
Just for reference, is the main sfs file (puppy_lina_1.1.sfs) the same for Carolite and Carolina (both non-PAE of course)?
Thanks,

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 09:52    Post subject:  

Marv wrote:
Just for reference, is the main sfs file (puppy_lina_1.1.sfs) the same for Carolite and Carolina (both non-PAE of course)?
Thanks,


Hey Marv,

The main was modified a bit. I removed some wallpapers and a few apps but the main difference is that gconf and gnutls were moved to main so gvfs-smb works without the adrive. This will also happen to Carolina in v1.2

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 10:07    Post subject:  

Thanks,
I'll swap the Carolite sfs in as my core for now for testing.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 11:29    Post subject:  

Geoffrey wrote:
I thought I'd try slimboat, I found it to be slow and on a google image search didn't load correctly, see image, that made me feel a little like the two cats on the far right Confused Evil or Very Mad Wink


Guess I'm slow enough so it doesn't seem slow to me Wink My catz are all there Question
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 12:12    Post subject:  

Quote:
Carolite-1.1, a lite

Whoopie! Very much in tune with BK's new blog sentiments.
Excellent work chaps.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 13:35    Post subject:  

Small bug -- the boot splash for Carolite 1.1 advertises "Carolina 1.0 non pae" -- yet the SFS is "puppy_lina_1.1.sfs" -- might want to fix that.

Booting on the creaky old VAIO as I type this, tho Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 14:16    Post subject:  

I'm gonna rate this as an 8/10 on this old VAIO. Detailed (ish) review thingy...

I found more bugs --

Icon-setter doesn't seem to work, the bottom tray blinks and that's all that happens. (Not that it matters with the icon-setter nonfunctional, but I hope somewhere I can get more icon themes... Wink )

The harp sound gets old fast. (Easily changed tho!) Perhaps 2barks.au would've been more... traditional? Wink

Speaking of sound, this thing is LOUD! (but that might be the VAIO) Also an easy fix to that issue Wink

I've never had much luck with Frisbee as my network manager (I tend to go with SNS) -- perhaps it would be good to put the old Connect Wizard back in? Also, since I'm *used to* looking for the Connect Wizard, it was really unintuitive no to have Frisbee at least in the Menu. Doubly so because the idea of clicking the icon to set up networking will be foreign to Windblows users as well...

HardInfo isn't here, so I can't report detailed info on the hardware on this old heap...

Some good things --

My cardbus four-port USB2 hub works Very Happy this is very good since the VAIO's original two ports are long since shot. (They were used to death!)

Performance is pretty decent overall. The system is remarkably responsive, although Firefox does seem to tax it, and Flash has a problem -- Firefox asks to install it, and YouTube wants to upgrade it. But it works anyways... confusing.

Overall... not bad at all for a 2006ish "ultraportable" laptop!

Specs of the test system --

Sony VAIO VGN-S360
1.7GHz Pentium M CPU
1gb RAM (2x512 "MicroDIMMs")
120gb almost-dead HDD
CD-R/RW - DVD-ROM "Combo" Drive
ATI Mobility RADEON 9700 graphics chip ('radeon' driver)
13.3" 1280x800 screen
WiFi b/g Card (don't remember what kind, Frisbee autodetected it and won't tell me the driver)
4-port Cardbus USB2 Hub
~65w AC Adapter (16v 4a)

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov 2013, 14:20    Post subject:  

To avoid confusion, putting this in another post --

I have a system with the following specs; about how well could I expect it to run CaroLite 1.1?

VIA Eden 400MHz CPU
Integrated VIA Video (uses the openchrome driver IIRC)
1gb RAM
4gb CompactFlash card (in adapter) as hard drive
External CD drive when needed

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 03:07    Post subject:  

@ starhawk

You're right, one of the splash screens is lina-1.0. Not sure how that got in there, I don't see it with frugal install so completely missed it.

There are two icon switchers, Control Panel > Desktop > Appearance > Icons tab is system icons, Control Panel > Desktop Icon Switcher is menu icons.

Hardinfo and flashplayer are not there, they can be dl'ed from the repo. It's not easy to get lina under 150mb and have everything everybody wants, it is a lite version after all.

1 GB RAM sounds ok but a 400Mhz CPU might be a bit weak, there's only one way to find out how well lite will run. I can't see it using much less resources than the full lina. LxTask: CPU-3% RAM-85mb at idle, with firefox running: CPU-10% RAM-160mb.

Thanks for the feedback.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 05:42    Post subject:  

Added a few Qt apps to the repo, there is a nice radio player greatlittleradioplayer-1.4.5-2.i386.pet with lots of stations to choose from and the look can be changed by changing coats.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 10:45    Post subject:  

rg66 wrote:
There are two icon switchers, Control Panel > Desktop > Appearance > Icons tab is system icons, Control Panel > Desktop Icon Switcher is menu icons.


I didn't see a way to switch icons with Appearance->Icons Tab. I was using the Desktop Icon Switcher. At any rate, the Desktop Icon Switcher didn't appear to even affect the menu IIRC.

rg66 wrote:
Hardinfo and flashplayer are not there, they can be dl'ed from the repo.

...if flashplayer's not there, then what's playing YouTube vids...? They *did* play!

rg66 wrote:
1 GB RAM sounds ok but a 400Mhz CPU might be a bit weak, there's only one way to find out how well lite will run.

Was thinking that myself -- particularly since VIA CPUs seem to be a bit weak to begin with, and the Eden line is their extra-low-power line for fanless computing. It's a bit like hitching a small dog to an oxcart, if you know what I mean Wink but heck, I'll try it, you never know...

rg66 wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.

Absolutely! I like to help Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 12:43    Post subject:  

Just had an opportunity to run Carolite. Impressively fast and lightweight in all respects. BK was correct right from the start. There really isn't any point in burdening your masterpiece with loadsa bloatware when you've already done the hard work to provide an excellent PPM. Don't let this distro get confused with the wannabees we shall doubtless see again tomorrow on DWW with their Gb s of someone else's selections! In one of my applications I can confirm I was able to install your v10 FlashPlayer and watch BBC/iPlayer almost instantly. Well done, chaps.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 13:37    Post subject:  

I'm a little confused about the difference between Carolina and LinaLite - are they two separate versions? I just looked on page one and only see links for Carolina.

By the way - the Carolina homepage link at the very bottom of the first post is easily missed but the website it links to is delightful! Love the way the webpage links animate when you mouse over them. Very clever!
http://smokey01.com/carolina/pages/lina-index.html
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 18:00    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
rg66 wrote:
There are two icon switchers, Control Panel > Desktop > Appearance > Icons tab is system icons, Control Panel > Desktop Icon Switcher is menu icons.


I didn't see a way to switch icons with Appearance->Icons Tab. I was using the Desktop Icon Switcher. At any rate, the Desktop Icon Switcher didn't appear to even affect the menu IIRC.


It does work, the Desktop Icon Switcher changes the desktop icons and menu icons, but you may need to move the mouse over the drive icons on the desktop to get them to change.



Appearance->Icons Tab changes the system icon themes.



starhawk wrote:
rg66 wrote:
Hardinfo and flashplayer are not there, they can be dl'ed from the repo.

...if flashplayer's not there, then what's playing YouTube vids...? They *did* play!


Youtube also plays html5 videos, that's why some play and some don't, check your browser here http://www.youtube.com/html5



starhawk wrote:
rg66 wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.

Absolutely! I like to help Smile


Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 19:45    Post subject:  

rg66 wrote:

Hardinfo and flashplayer are not there, they can be dl'ed from the repo. It's not easy to get lina under 150mb and have everything everybody wants, it is a lite version after all.

lite is great for playing Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy and setting up as you like it. Abiword, evince, gPicView added to main SFS. Fonts, themes, locales pruned and customized a bit. Changed the compression in line 32 in dir2sfs to
Code:
[ $? = 0 ] && COMP="-comp xz -b 524288 -Xbcj x86"

and presto... main sfs at 68Mb. That's my minimal core for now, all else is shared in the boot directory or in SFS for loading as needed. GREAT set of rightclick tools for doing all that by the way Exclamation I don't have anything slower than my Pentium Ms to throw it at but It certainly is totally usable on them. It's subjective, but I don't feel any additional load due to xfce4.10 vs openbox/lxpanelx or openbox/tint2 on that class of machine or up. The only glitches I've encountered so far are mine.. where my older save file masked changes made in Thunar rightclicks etc. Pretty simple to iron out. This is a good one indeed.

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