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RSH


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 22:08    Post subject:  

Hi.

Just for your interest: I have uploaded some new SFS Modules.

LP2_AutoAdjustPhoto_GUI-2.0.sfs - can now work with single and multiple files
LP2_Ease-0.4-full.sfs - a presentation program, which reminds me at powerpoint (needs XorgHigh installed)
LP2_IconFinder-1.4.sfs - latest Version from SFR just as SFS Module
LP2_PEasyMM-Suite-1.0.0.sfs - Audio, Video, CD and DVD Media Suite, containing the Applications written by rcrsn51
LP2_QTGain-0.9.5_i386.sfs - a QT based MP3, OGG, AAC and Metaflac Gain Program

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Lots of postings meanwhile happened...

mikeb wrote:
Well have fun RSH.... irrepressable....

I do! Laughing

Markups added by me.
Pelo wrote:
LazyPuppy loaded on precise ?
I usually now load on the fly oldest puppy on recent distros.
I am running lazy puppy with Precise.
Why ? I am far from my home and only wifi works. Lucid cannot connect wifi with my computer, but Precise does.
I only load the Lazy SFS on the fly and with the desktop program, i choose a lazy pup theme and background. The result is a distro in french.

Pelo wrote:
Menus are in french.
As Precise is upgrated with french language, even lazy programs are translated ! Foolish, no ?
Menu is a sum of both distros.

greengeek wrote:
Nice work! How do you get this to work? (How is it possible to run the Precise sfs and the Lazy sfs at the same time without something like virtualbox?). Thanks.

@Pelo
No, I don't think this is foolish - as long as it isn't done while using the favorite personal save file. I did use this "art of using sfs files" first in the beginning of LazY Puppy. Used sfs was the main sfs from Muppy 08.3F (had to convert it to squashfs version 4 first). Did grab some applications from the Muppy for the use in LazY Puppy. Was a good way to figure out, what will work and what won't.

@greengeek
Just run the Puppy and load LazY Puppy's main sfs by sfs_load. That's all.

But not all .desktop files will appear in the menu, because of the specialized LazY Puppy Menu Categories!

All "Open With" entries should be there, so one can use the SFS P.L.U.S. functions by right-click action!

By the way:

This is exactly the way I do usually update my Osiris Studio, which is a LazY Puppy Derivative with XorgHigh, Jack-Audio and all necessary Audio Applications (like Ardour, Audacity, Rosegarden etc.pp.) installed.

When developing I do use my private LazY Puppy which is around 130 MB in size. The Osiris Studio is around 300 MB in size. After development is finshed I do a remaster of LazY Puppy, booting the new remastered LazY Puppy again, loading the Osiris Studio main sfs file by sfs_load and doing a remaster immediately - which works very well, because of the same kernel versions (2.6.33.2).

sunburnt wrote:
Sorry to hear your variant is gone RHS. And another one bites the dust...

The ISO and SFS files are still available to download and will stay as long as possible. But I will not publish a new version.

To publish a new version is too much work for me to do and would make me responsible in a way, I don't want to be responsible - because: I'm still a newbie and there is these and that what can't be done by myself. Just running out of knowledge...

sunburnt wrote:
I appeal to you to preserve the "details" of what you have created here.
Much custom code has been created for LazyPup that shouldn`t be lost.

It`s truly unique, steps further in development than ChoicePup which came before.

This is exactly what I'm currently trying to do.

By now I do have a 19 MB LazY Puppy SFS file. When loading this sfs file by sfs_load into a fresh clean Puppy, I'm allowed to use around 95% of my private LazY Puppy's functions (which is currently a lot of more than the 2.0.2-005 WebVersion has installed).

The last 5% are added after installing a combined Openbox-Tint2 PET. It would be ready then for a remaster to be named LazY Puppy. Laughing

What doesn't work is the LazY Puppy Boot Options, because this needs to edit the initrd.gz. Though they aren't really needed anymore.

My target is to make the modular concept of LazY Puppy available for any other Puppy (execpt FatDog) just by a SFS Module!

Actually it works really fine, but lots of scripts are still only in DE. So, still much work to do...

Beside this I'm working currently on a WebPage for LazY Puppy and its related stuff (found this option by the LxPup Thread).

sunburnt wrote:
### A newer version based on Raring would be the next step.

# Perhaps a new partner will step forward and offer to take up the banner?
Providing the effort and any new code required to make a Raring variant.

It would seem not too difficult for someone familiar with Pup builder scripts.
Like anything, the first few are the learning phase, and then it`s old hat.

Newer version should then to be build easily by anyone who knows how to load a SFS, doing a remaster and keeping stuff from /etc and /root when remastering - hopefully (works over here already) Very Happy Laughing

So, the user can choose his Puppy (on whatever OS based) to use all of this and I'm not responsible for the issues of the used OS. Just for the SFS's Applications.

If there will be any new Puppy in the future... ... ...

mikeb wrote:
@sunburnt...the neat stuff is used here on a daily basis

Exactly! Laughing

sunburnt wrote:
Puppy is for the most part a one-man-show. Many of them...

Yes, and so is LazY Puppy.

sunburnt wrote:
Doesn`t it seem that cooperation for common good is best?

Could be best, but is not necessary the best generally.

I doubt, LazY Puppy would be LazY Puppy if there would have been a LazY Puppy Development Team or Group.

On the other Hand, some of LazY Puppy's benefits could be possibly way smarter as it actually is, with some more efficient programmers joining such LazY Puppy Development Team.

mikeb wrote:
How much of the ideas in Lazy puppy will actually ever get utilised in precise??

Actually NONE.

mikeb wrote:
Are we off topic

No!

the last saviour wrote:
I'd just noticed a funny calendar in Pwidget.

I remember having this already in September 2012... Laughing

mikeb wrote:
A toast to Lazy Puppy ... I always liked the name

For about one year I did nearly daily think about to change its name. Luckily I didn't do it. Very Happy

smithy wrote:
Sometimes it might be better to programme alone, and my thinking is that RSH could have been sidetracked by comments and suggestions which might have diminished his vision of what the Lazy Puppy system was to be?

This might have happened, when there would have been a LazY Puppy Development Team. Though, while I'm programming alone, I've had almost an opened mind (and opened eyes) to suggestions made somewhere on the forum. What did fit into my vision and/or looked like a useful addition, I did try to adopt to LazY Puppy.

Examples:

- the User-Modes and Menu-Suite are a result of a suggestion made by diggs
- the SFS P.L.U.S. Applications are a result of a suggestion made by der-schutzhund (it just took LazY Puppy 528-4's SFS Handling to a next level)
- VarioMenu is made by der-schutzhund and SFR

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Thanks for all the interesting posts an insights...

RSH

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 07:36    Post subject:  

Yo.... the joy of modularity. I even can share my slax modules with puppy 4 now and even the save is an sfs..... we are obsessed.

You iz not stopping (or hiding so others do the work for a while Wink ) you are evolving

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov 2013, 22:07    Post subject:  

MochiMoppel wrote:
RSH wrote:
Please, do have a look again into /etc/rc.d and you'll find 3 (three) rc.shutdown files.
As there are:
new-rc.shutdown
orig-rc.shutdown
rc.shutdown
I'm using this to switch a option to create a save file (if wanted), which is able to be switched on/off by LazY Puppy's Shutdown-GUI.
I used your shutdown GUI. I selected to reboot and I also selected the create save file option: The screen went black and the computer became unresponsive. Had to do a hard reset. Again my point: You replaced a perfectly usable standard solution with a ...OK, never mind.

Coming from the "A vote for a modular use of Puppy Linux" thread.

Hi.

This could have been possibly a not yet reported bug in the EN version, since I'm developing in DE and then turning it into EN.

Reason of "not yet reported" could have been strictly modular use (as I suggest) by LazY Puppy users or even nobody is using LazY Puppy.

I doubt, it would be the last! Laughing

Ok. Just checked this out.

Booting LazY Puppy 2.0.2-005 EN Version, installing my GPRS USB modem, connecting to the web, loading Firefox 7 and entering murga forum, quit Firefox, doing a reboot (activated option to create a save file in Shutdown-GUI).

Save file was successfully created. No black screen. Reboot offers the Firefox already loaded, online after plugging in GPRS modem and connecting via GPRS connect.

Don't know what was going wrong as you did try this on the your computer.

Currently posting from the rebooted LazY Puppy 2.0.2-005 EN version, previous created save file in use!

/etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE wrote:
PUPMODE=12
PDEV1='sdd1'
DEV1FS='vfat'
PUPSFS='sdd1,vfat,/LazY202Web/StArtLPx2_202.sfs'
PUPSAVE='sdd1,vfat,/LazY202Web/StArtLPx2save-MochiMoppelENTest.2fs'
PMEDIA='atahd'
#ATADRIVES is all internal ide/pata/sata drives, excluding optical, excluding usb...
ATADRIVES='sda sdb sdc '
#ATAOPTICALDRIVES is list of non-usb optical drives...
ATAOPTICALDRIVES='sr0 '
#these directories are unionfs/aufs layers in /initrd...
SAVE_LAYER='/pup_rw'
PUP_LAYER='/pup_ro2'
#The partition that has the StArtLPx2save file is mounted here...
PUP_HOME='/mnt/dev_save'
#(in /initrd) ...note, /mnt/home is a link to it.
#this file has extra kernel drivers and firmware...
ZDRV=''
#complete set of modules in the initrd (moved to main f.s.)...
ZDRVINIT='no'
#Partition no. override on boot drive to which session is (or will be) saved...
PSAVEMARK=''

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Nov 2013, 23:59    Post subject:  

Quote:
Ok. Just checked this out.

Aaarrggghhhh...

I should not have done this!

I'm still online with this EN version, as I have noticed yet, the Easy Online Updater is telling me, there is no internet connection available and therefor the search for updates was exited.

Though, it should have found some update packages provided.

Hm.

Might have to check this later - much later.

Edit:

He he. That's just somehow funny to use this "long time no seen" LazY Puppy Version in EN...

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Nov 2013, 04:45    Post subject:  

Lieber RSH
I only download this one and found it doesn't work at all.
LP2_PEasyMM-Suite-1.0.0.sfs

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:25    Post subject:  

the last saviour wrote:
Lieber RSH
I only download this one and found it doesn't work at all.
LP2_PEasyMM-Suite-1.0.0.sfs

Ok, I will check this.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Nov 2013, 15:04    Post subject:  

RSH wrote:
the last saviour wrote:
Lieber RSH
I only download this one and found it doesn't work at all.
LP2_PEasyMM-Suite-1.0.0.sfs

Ok, I will check this.

Hi.

I have made some testings and have found out:

- it seems not to work, when the music files are stored inside a sub-directory of the submitted/used directory
- it seems to work fine, when such sub-directory is submitted/used

If this will not work, try to use the original versions (those to install) from rcrsn51.

The SFS is just a collection of those original files with some icons added and .desktop files edited for DE users.
Nothing was changed on the original scripts.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Nov 2013, 16:18    Post subject: Lazy Puppy
Subject description: Installation on USB
 

Hi,

Lazy Puppy looks very good, so I wanted to install it to a USB stick.

I followed the instructions, i. e. made a CD with the ISO.
Booting from CD was okay, then I tried to install Lazy Puppy to the USB stick.
But LP does not detect neither USB sticks (nor any SD cards, only solid disks), so the installation process stopped.

What's wrong? Any hints?

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Nov 2013, 16:53    Post subject:  

Can you please, post a screenshot of your complete desktop with plugged in usb stick?

Got an usb drive icon on the desktop?

If so, mount it before running the installer.

Got used any USB 3.0 stuff?

Won't work.

EDIT:

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Got an usb drive icon on the desktop?

If so, mount it before running the installer.

He he, shit.

No, don't do this!

Mount the CD drive !!!

Sorry for confusing...

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov 2013, 15:22    Post subject: Lazy Puppy
Subject description: Installation on USB
 

I'm booting from CD, so it mounted from the beginning, I think.
But as you can see from the screenshot [/img], the file manager shows the CD, but there are no icons for any usb sticks.

Today I found even more that there are no network drivers loaded.

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov 2013, 18:05    Post subject:  

Hi.

From your image I can see, you are using the DE version. So, we might better go to the DE Forum for this.

Please post there and include some data, like:

- Type of Computer
- - include data of hardware plus date of construction/build
- Type and version of used USB Stick

You can use PupSysInfo (use View summary report standard) for this.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Dec 2013, 05:44    Post subject:  

Thank you RSH for your answer.

Hi all;
I've just found a cheap trick to fix the bug in Nathan Wallpaper Setter. Hope someone hadn't reported this fix yet.
After freezing, go up one directory to Share, then go to any sub folder and then go back to the Background folder again. That's all.

Happy New Year 2014 to you.
Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014, 02:42    Post subject:  

I'm impressed with this forum. I came from Debian/Crunchbang Linux & Arch, and i used Slacko in my old PC for 3 months.

Now, i'm reading about puppy internalls, and... it is really incredible, what a nice creativity i found here. Really, i impress with users own implementations.

I never heard about SFS's on Debian/Arch world. I want to change my distribution, and Puppy seems to be the best option for me. But, now, i prefered before to read more technical info.

I can't finish to read it at all. It's a true knowledge forum.
All puppy users, seems to be familiarized with this topics, the SFS system, and puppy installation methods.

Maybe, someone can answer my basic questions:

1) What is the impact of the speed of the app, using SFS in comparation with a normal installation using a classic package manager? I read that sfs uses unionfs to mount programs in layers. And i don't know, if this mode have impact on speed.. (global and/or in the app).

2) Similar to the first point, if you have 14 SFS running at the same time, there is a lost of speed?

3) SFS's are portable, but, duplication of internal contents are considerable?

4) SFS's system, can allow to use multiple versions of apps, with no-conflicts?

5) SFS' seems that system is always clean. Like a first fresh installation always... it is ok??

5) Finally, what are the limitations of SFS, and advantages or disadvantages?? Because, from my point of view, there are 90% advantages, and 10% of ... not very important disadvantages..

Really, at this point, SFS seems to me, a "revolutionary package method".

Sorry for my english.

Regards,
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014, 09:06    Post subject:  

forum hangup...
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Jan 2014, 09:06    Post subject:  

1. and 2. Never noticed any.... have average 20-30 sfs loaded on pentium 3 machines and runs as expected. The union seems to have no penalty...if there is its more to do with decompressing the contents of the sfs.. If the sfs are loaded to ram as I do then that more than compensates for any slowdown.

3. thats depends on how they are built. If they are built for a particular system then duplication would be avoided same as a pet/deb and so on. If there is the odd duplicated library its of no consequence.

4. Thats more to do with construction.. An app can have its own library versions if system variables are used to point to them. So not an sfs feature as such. The files are layered transparently into one filesystem...which is the idea.

5. The cleaness depends on if you have a save system like a save file. But definately clean in so far as removal is always 100%...good for testing and updating. I happen to use a sfs for saves on puppy.

6. Not sure really.... not useable in a full install but as it turns out even that is possible. sfs versions are not backward compatible..ie one made for system x will not load for an older one even though the software inside might actually work.

Slax might be an interesting one to look at... the full system layering approach you will see in there ...

Hope that clarifies

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