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Group major run-times (java, Python, etc.) in separate sfs?
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musher0


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Oct 2013, 17:08    Post subject:  

joaomcteixeira wrote:
Quickpet brings already JAVA to the easy install and also Qt (tough I never tried to install those from Quickpet)

http://ns1.murga-projects.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=711781&sid=17a7119f761b1ddeaf736827dbeab251


Hello, joaomcteixeira.

Indeed, but the official limit for adding sfs's is 6. You hook up java, Qt and
the devx file, and there go 3 sfs spaces. If java and Qt were in the zs file,
alongside the drivers, only one space is taken in the list of possible sfs,
the one for the devx -- for the same functionality. So you still have five
"sfs hook-ups" left.

Another advantage is that the user wouldn't have to download anything
extra.

If space on the ISO file is a concern, we could try replacing java (+/- 135
Mb) with IcedTea (+/- 25Mo).

Best regards.

musher0

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Oct 2013, 17:47    Post subject:  

Oh!
I see, I didn't know that there was a limit to the sfs files that could be loaded. Indeed, quickpet installs the software through sfs files, where sometimes it seems to me not necessary (again, I am not a programmer, just an user, i might be saying something really wrong Razz ).

I use to install java directly from the web site, and extracting it to /usr/java and than performing to symlink to usr/bin.

maybe a script on the starting Menu that could perform this operation would be enough. Do you think this could be feasible?

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Oct 2013, 09:43    Post subject:  

Hello, joaomcteixeira.

Way back when, member jrb had a Puppy 4.2 that could load more than 6
sfs's, and currently German member RSH has altered his LazyPup to do the
same. But it is a documented fact that loading too many sfs's in your Puppy
slows it down.

So, in regular Puppies, you have to use SFS-Combiner or a similar utility to
merge sfs's in order not to go over the limit of 6.

As to downloading and installing java in Puppy through a script, I think I
remember who produced a similar script! Wink I suppose I could eventually
offer a wrapper for it and a menu entry.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Oct 2013, 09:51    Post subject:  

Hello musher0,

I see, nice to keep learning Razz

eh eh, I can imagine who also did such script Wink I guess I will look forward to see it in the next puppy release Razz Cool

all the best,
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Oct 2013, 13:36    Post subject:  

Quote:
So, in regular Puppies, you have to use SFS-Combiner or a similar utility to
merge sfs's in order not to go over the limit of 6.

Actually it`s mostly like "how fast is your cpu", and also "how much ram".
I think the ram is not quite as important as the cpu speed. But both are related of course.

# It`s a shame that Barry limited the boot manager to 6, this is very low for most PCs.
It should assess the cpu speed/power. Or no limit? Or have a user setting to control it.
Really a new "boot + run" SFS manager is needed that works with load_sfs.

seaside`s app.: Click an SFS to run, but for groups of apps it would need a popup menu.


# But in regards to this, I`ve always suggested sfs files of groups of like apps be made.
Groups of: Programming Languages, Language run-times, web apps., Games, Utilities, etc.

### And a speedier item... Make Squash files of apps. that don`t need the union to work.

### This solves the "don`t run too many" warning, doesn`t it?

# Q: . Why are app. builders so resistant to this type of package?
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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 20:09    Post subject:  

Hello, all.

I guess jrb is running a parallel course of ideas.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=733079#733079

Acting upon his "semi-full install" idea, we could copy the contents of all
required sfs's -- i.e. all the files of the programming languages we need --
in the underdog partition.

Another interesting thing about his post is that, once the Puppy underdog
is set up, he seems to be able to access it from a trimmed-down, "bare-
bones" type Puppy, and the larger previously installed Puppy seems to be
accessible? (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

BFN.

musher0
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PS. Still, if this thread could remain focused on "grouping" sfs's, please?
Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 15:42    Post subject:  

I apologize for any deviation from your theme. It seemed closely related.

As I said... Yes to more grouped add-on SFS pkgs. This is good organization.
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Oct 2013, 16:38    Post subject:  

Hi, sunburnt.

My remark was not directed at you at all. I think your post is quite relevant
to this thread.

Rather, I am afraid that people will start discussing Puppy's "underdog"
capacity here rather than on jrb's thread.

Best regards.

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