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Touch - An Evolutionary Start by Ubuntu
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jpeps

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Sep 2013, 14:50    Post subject:  
gcmartin wrote:


On the Edge, if one takes a step back and look at Microsoft, you might be able to see an "Edge" to what they are doing.


In the sense of making some bad choices, true. If Barry can puppyfy a device, it will most likely appeal to small group of users already familiar with Puppy. Android software already interfaces nicely with any OS that can read the exported data. Typically, you export to the cloud. There's really no need to have a complete copy of a linux OS on the device itself, nor would many users want one.

There are also android file managers that backup selected apps to the cloud.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Sep 2013, 18:42    Post subject:  
Some items that have been posted, in this thread and others forum threads, is about keyboarding with respect to Touch.

Found this keyboarding article for TOUCH.

FYI
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Sep 2013, 19:17    Post subject:  
gcmartin wrote:
Some items that have been posted, in this thread and others forum threads, is about keyboarding with respect to Touch.

Found this keyboarding article for TOUCH.

FYI


Not being able to replace the default keyboard in Apple products is a major negative. Once you find a keyboard that does what you want, it should appear for ALL editing functions. You want a keyboard that compensates for not having a mouse. Having a select button in addition to arrows for moving by word, space, or line avoids having to use fat fingers. It needs start, end buttons as well.
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Sep 2013, 22:34    Post subject:  
Of all the News on Microsoft's newest Touch devices, I thought this one a good one. It offers a view of both sides of the Touch debate that has been getting more and more vendor attention since 2012.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2013, 01:15    Post subject:  
gcmartin wrote:
It offers a view of both sides of the Touch debate that has been getting more and more vendor attention since 2012.


"Microsoft VP Panos Panay thinks tablets are for typing up Excel spreadsheets."

It's interesting that innovation generally starts with play, so is more associated with youth and startups.

I just discovered the use of a phone scanner today, which brought up info about some organic wheat product from a box of spaghetti. For those who haven't used one yet, it works through the camera lens, which reads the bar code.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2013, 01:59    Post subject:  
gcmartin wrote:
Of all the News on Microsoft's newest Touch devices, I thought this one a good one. It offers a view of both sides of the Touch debate that has been getting more and more vendor attention since 2012.

FYI


Off-topic: This thread is full of links to other sites (e.g. the example above), some of the them are useful, some of them are worthless.

Next time anyone puts a link, please have the courtesy of at least putting a summary of what the article is about. Not your own opinion of what the article is about, but a summary of the article itself, perhaps the first paragraph or whatever quotes you find interesting in the article --- but please, not your own opinion of what the article is.

That's a good netiquette, as it will help the readers to decide whether it is worthwhile to read the full article.

Otherwise, a summary-less, link-full posts and threads should be qualified as spam and treated as such --- they are click baits, and they lower the signal-to-noise ratio of this forum significantly. Otherwise, do we really want our beloved forum to become a link farm?
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Sep 2013, 02:48    Post subject:  
jamesbond, I think the link gcmartin was referencing related to the issue expressed above about touch devices being poor substitutes for PC's and Laptops (i.e, they are generally used in a different way).

"It’s possible, I suppose, that the Microsoft Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 will change how people use tablets from now on. More likely, they will change nothing, including Microsoft’s long, slow decline."
..ouch Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 22:33    Post subject:  
Here are 5 ways iOS 7 can help the enterprise

http://gigaom.com/2013/10/26/here-are-5-ways-ios-7-can-help-the-enterprise/

edit: meanwhile, back to reality:
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I work in an 2k+ employee organization. Few of the really higher ups have work iPhones. For all of us, it’s a sea of new Dell boxes recently upgraded to Win 7 from Win Xp
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:35    Post subject: The ChromeOS has Touch built-in (OOTB)  
I was surprised that the Google people made available a version of their ChromeOS that includes Touch. It is currently implemented similar to what TaZoC has done with his PUP distro (LightHouse64); that is it mouse button 1 operations for all screens by simply using your finger to touch.

If you remember, earlier this year, Google began selling ChromeOS Touch on an x86 Touch screen laptop. I have NOT seen that in operation, but, I was aware. This peaked my interest to see where there was a Open release available from Google for public consumption. I found it, tested it, and this is a preliminary of what I found.

Their implementation, too, is along the lines of traditional OS. But, an external look seems to show that its desktop structure is a precursor to an OS similar to Microsoft's surface. If you've seen or touched Microsoft's Surface/Win8, You don't have to stretch the imagination too far to see the ChromeOS possibility.

The distro is smooth and responsive.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 21:49    Post subject: Re: The ChromeOS has Touch built-in (OOTB)  
gcmartin wrote:


Their implementation, too, is along the lines of traditional OS. But, an external look seems to show that its desktop structure is a precursor to an OS similar to Microsoft's surface. If you've seen or touched Microsoft's Surface/Win8, You don't have to stretch the imagination too far to see the ChromeOS possibility.

The distro is smooth and responsive.


I'm sure Google would like to be 100% in control, and focus on running apps through the browser connected with their web services. Contrast this with where Android is...allowing easy open source development that you can adapt to your tastes and run independently of the web.

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For Google, Android was a detour from their focus on owning and dominating web services; it ensured that those services would be freely accessible in this new world of computing, including on the iPhones and iPads that were used liberally in nearly every keynote demo. And, now that Android is successful, Google is back to focusing on “the best of Google”.

http://stratechery.com/2013/in-chrome-versus-android-chrome-wins/


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In short, Google does care about Chrome and about getting it on every screen, and thus would (gladly) sacrifice Android and its user experience.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416902,00.asp

I know what my choice is...I've seen enough of what happens when one corporation gets priority control. I'm very happy with my 3rd party call blockers..which I installed after getting several ad solicitations every day from Google.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 23:28    Post subject:  
Firefox OS Smartphones Arrive in Mexico, Peru, Uruguay

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2013/10/31/following-brazil-debut-telefonica-launch-firefox-os-smartphones-mexico-peru-uruguay-week/
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2013, 01:29    Post subject:  
I'm increasingly avoiding FireFox and Chome, which often bog down loading a lot of scripts and connections to doubleclick. Android has a WebView class which nicely avoids all the commercial garbage. Instead of loading a browser, you create a checklist app with all your favorite links. Clean, fast..kind of like an advanced links browser that finally organizes the page correctly. There are lots of options, such as using touch zoom.

Subscribed periodicals like Wall Street Journal are using this approach. Their apps are ad free, correctly laid out on your device, and snappy. Far better than entering through a browser. No automatic garbage videos either (an increasingly obnoxious annoyance that is making me hate browsers.)
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2013, 15:52    Post subject:  
Post moved to Android Development
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2013, 16:19    Post subject:  
edit: Okay, response moved also

not sure "Android-x86 developments and issues" is correct either
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Nov 2013, 21:02    Post subject:  
jpeps wrote:
I'm increasingly avoiding FireFox and Chome, which often bog down loading a lot of scripts and connections to doubleclick. Android has a WebView class which nicely avoids all the commercial garbage. Instead of loading a browser, you create a checklist app with all your favorite links. Clean, fast..kind of like an advanced links browser that finally organizes the page correctly. There are lots of options, such as using touch zoom.

Subscribed periodicals like Wall Street Journal are using this approach. Their apps are ad free, correctly laid out on your device, and snappy. Far better than entering through a browser. No automatic garbage videos either (an increasingly obnoxious annoyance that is making me hate browsers.)


I added a free news app to my non-touch Acer Chromebook, had to find a screenshot app and install it, then save the screenshot to my-drive, etc.etc. but in the end I got a screenshot of it Smile
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