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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2013, 14:08    Post subject:  

Installing the Peasy Media Apps in Fatdog

VLC is an excellent media player. But you might prefer something simpler, like PeasyMP3, PeasyCD or PeasyDVD.

1. Open the Fatdog Package Manager and install MPlayer. Do NOT install the Jack dependency!

2. Install the mplayer_extras_fd620-1.0.pet attached below.

3. Install the Peasy media apps as usual. Look for them in the Other menu.

4. ROX in Fatdog uses SendTo instead of OpenWith in its right-click menus. Drag a shortcut from /usr/sbin/peasymp3
to the folder /etc/xdg/rox.sourceforge.net/SendTo
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2013, 14:52    Post subject: Broadcom 4313  

Hello,

I would like to ask you, is it possible to install firmware for this wireless card? I am new to fatdog, and I don't know how to setup this wireless card. It is bcm 4313
Broadcom wireless device [14e4:4727]

Thank you
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug 2013, 18:07    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
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wpa-gui has a slightly odd behaviour. I'm in a hotel at the moment. When booting, it seems to be trying to connect to the correct wifi adapter but it stays stuck on "scanning". ...
Yeah, there are just so many variations in wifi signalling Smile I sometimes have to kill the dhcpcd task manually and restart them to get the IP address :p ...
The process/steps to carry out these task; could you share them. Or, is there a script which might do same?

Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug 2013, 08:09    Post subject: MMC icon green box not unmounting and other stuff- pics  

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Please post screenshots with icons positions "where it works" and "where it doesn't work".


Here they are jamesbond. As you can see, the amount of movement involved is subtle, within the precision that I can place the icons anyway.

The Doesn' work 1 screenshot shows the mmc icon in the original location straight after boot, i.e. it hasn't been moved, only clicked.

The second Rox windows in the two Doesn't work screenshots are the result of clicking the green box. In the "Does work" screenshot, the icon has been clicked to mount and then green-box clicked, exactly the same as for the two "Doesn't work" screenshots.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug 2013, 09:26    Post subject: Other usability quirks.
Subject description: In reply to jamesbond post
 

Hi jamesbond, I have some comments on your comments on my earlier post.

/mnt/sda1 visibility issues:

This may be "expected behaviour when you move the Download folder outside the savefile" to experts like yourself. It is a serious potential usability issue to non-geeks. This case occurs whenever Fatdog is installed into the Windows partition, using fatdog's own installer, which is likely to be a very common case given how damned awkward NTFS partitions have been made to partition nowdays. mnt/sda2 is the most obvious route to the newb, although even that's none too obvious. As a suggestion, could the Fatdog installer be made to set up a symlink to /aufs/devsave called "Windows Partition" in /root, so it is easy to find in the Open File window, in the case of FatdoginWin installs?


WPA-Gui issues:

Since the "fix" I stumbled upon is doing nothing more clever than driving WPA-Gui, Surely the program should be able to be smart enough to realise that it's locked and automatically do what I have to spend several seconds doing, after about a week discovering how to?

If you close the WPA-Gui window, by clicking File/exit, Not only does the WPA-Gui window close but the Taskbar icon also vanishes. There is no way of getting it back easier than running wpa-gui from the terminal, there are no icons in either the menu or the control panel. It also seems to loose any changes that you have just made in the Manage Networks tab. The wifi connection still persists however.

The cross on the WPA-Gui window header bar seems OK, it closes the window but does not kill the taskbar icon.


GDMap issues:

I know very little but I do know about symlinks Razz What confused me is that apparently, GDMap doesn't. Since the only point of using GDMap, apart from admiring the rather pretty graphic, is to find out what is eating your storage, surely it should ignore symlinks? At least as the default?

Zipfiles:

I did not use a terminal command, so it must have been xarchive from the menu that caused the problem. Fatdog started frantically warning me that I was eating the savefile but I couldn't come up with a solution in time to avert a smash.

By the way, I see Pupzip is still in there but there is no icon to access it??
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Aug 2013, 06:11    Post subject: Adventures in Wonderland
Subject description: More Stress-testing using Advanced Stupidity
 

Right-clicking an item in the menu pops up a button labled "Add to Desktop". This is a great feature but unfortunately, it does nothing as far as I can see. Except that, after clicking the button, it vanishes and then left-clicking the desktop no longer banishes the menu. Only after the main menu is moused-over will such clicking make the menu disappear.

I inadvertently deleted all occurrences of osmo.desktop. I dragged the file from /usr/aplications to the desktop to get desktop icon. Later I found osmo in the menu, under"Office", so decided to delete my new icon. Now pfind reports it's gone completely. What went wrong?

I got the .desktop file back by booting a saved savefile and copying it to the Windows filesystem. Is there a way to get such things back without a reboot? It wasn't in the trash can, presumably because the file was only blacklisted, not really deleted. Is that a bug? Then I tried to unpack initrd and look for it. However, although clicking on initrd does open a directory in /tmp, with a puppy-looking file directory under it, there are hardly any files in it?? (Would trying to open a huge initrd in a small savefile have this effect? I currently have 132 MB spare.)

How do I make the Osmo tray icon persist between bootups? Shouldn't that be the default when "Enable system tray" is ticked under Options/General? (the default). I hope I don't need to modify a start-up script manually, not that that's too hard but it's rather inelegant.
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Aug 2013, 07:43    Post subject:  

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Just added to the repo: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/pets/600/easytag-2.1.8-622.pet, only because you asked, Greg Cool


Thanks, JamesBond Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Aug 2013, 18:10    Post subject: Re: Adventures in Wonderland
Subject description: More Stress-testing using Advanced Stupidity
 

I must be learning a little bit because I can now answer a couple of questions or at least know how to find the answer. That is better than before. I seem to be able to find my way around linux with X now. Cool


Snail wrote:
Right-clicking an item in the menu pops up a button labled "Add to Desktop". This is a great feature but unfortunately, it does nothing as far as I can see. Except that, after clicking the button, it vanishes and then left-clicking the desktop no longer banishes the menu. Only after the main menu is moused-over will such clicking make the menu disappear.


When I tried this, I too expected an icon to appear right on my desktop so I can click on it just like all my other desktop icons. I found that right clicking these puts an icon in /root/desktop where you can drag the icon to the actual desktop. I don't see the purpose of this except it might be helpful for people who don't know to look for desktop icons in /usr/share/applications.


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I inadvertently deleted all occurrences of osmo.desktop. I dragged the file from /usr/aplications to the desktop to get desktop icon. Later I found osmo in the menu, under"Office", so decided to delete my new icon. Now pfind reports it's gone completely. What went wrong?


I don't have a /usr/applications directory. I assume you meant /usr/share/applications? I dragged the osmo desktop icon from there and it copied the icon. Did you move it and the icon was no longer in the directory but only on the desktop? That would explain why deleting the icon from the desktop made the program stop working.


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How do I make the Osmo tray icon persist between bootups? Shouldn't that be the default when "Enable system tray" is ticked under Options/General? (the default). I hope I don't need to modify a start-up script manually, not that that's too hard but it's rather inelegant.


If you untick the "Enable system tray", closing the window closes the program. Having the system tray enabled means you can have programs running in the background with no window open. You can open /usr/bin and drag the osmo sprocket icon into /root/Startup and link it. There is a readme in the Startup directory. Some programs like Bibletime are in the /usr/local/bin directory instead of /usr/bin. I do not know why; I guess some programs get compiled differently.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2013, 06:51    Post subject: Problem with Osmo
Subject description: Not a good idea to put in taskbar
 

I discovered an annoying glitch with Osmo. It appears that Osmo does not save anything that you enter into notes until it is closed down completely. If you shut down Fatdog while Osmo is still open, you loose all your changes. It would appear that whatever mechanism the OS uses to clean up open applications during shutdown isn't as "good" as shutting down using Osmo's own methods.

If you run it with "Enable systray" ticked under options/general, which is the default, it is most likely that Osmo will still be running unseen in the background and a shutdown will therefore hose your data. Running it that way is therefore inadvisable and it is a pity that it is the default.

Osmo not saving on the fly seems weird to me, especially for an app that is designed to go to the tray by default. Fatdog's closing down mechanism is also not idiot proof enough for this idiot it would seem.

I have altered the Digital Clock settings to run Osmo on right click. That way, the only way to remove the Osmo window is to fully shut Osmo down. This makes it less likely that I will neglect to shut it down, although there is still a risk if it happens to be on a non-open desktop when I shutdown.

Running Osmo off the clock is what other Puppies do and seems a good idea to me. The Digital default is a crappy little calender display. The Fatdog developers substitute Clockset, but this is a wasteful use of systray space for a relatively rarely used app. It would be nice to have it available on right click though but I have no idea how to do that.

I am also wondering if some issues I had with changes made in WPA-Gui not sticking through reboots might have been due to similar set of circumstances?
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2013, 08:07    Post subject: Add to Desktop - Deleting desktop icon - Startup Folder
Subject description: In response to chapchap70
 

I wonder if the Desktop folder is work in progress? One would hope that clicking the button might finish the job of posting to the desktop.

It's not possible to make an error when dragging an icon from /usr/share/applications to the desktop. Where I went wrong was in trying to remove an icon from the desktop using the "Send to trash" right click option, rather than "Remove item(s)". I had to ignore a warning to do that - idiot.

At least the /root/startup folder method is better than having to edit some script. It would be nice if there was a menu item sending you there. How did you find it chapchap?
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug 2013, 17:25    Post subject: Re: Add to Desktop - Deleting desktop icon - Startup Folder
Subject description: In response to chapchap70
 

Snail wrote:
At least the /root/startup folder method is better than having to edit some script. It would be nice if there was a menu item sending you there. How did you find it chapchap?


I found it by poking around. Clicking the Home icon on the top left opens the /root directory. I clicked on the Startup directory and read the Readme. I also remembered that there is a Desktop directory when right clicking the dropdown menu to send an icon to desktop didn't seem to do anything. I opened the directory and the icon I sent to Desktop was there.
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2013, 00:01    Post subject: Finding by poking around  

Finding by poking around shows great user initiative chapchap, but it's not what I understand by human interface design Smile . As I said, it's probably a work in progress. I am confused though, wouldn't it be cleaner and easier and less prone to problems if it simply automated the usual manual method of dragging out of /usr/share/applications?
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2013, 02:15    Post subject:  

A question for clarification
When connecting a removable device where the files are stored on a Memory device versus a rotating drive/device, is there a potential that if it is mounted and disconnected without a umount, for file-level destruction? Is that potential the same as a rotating device?

I ask because I saw this thread. I think I understand the issues with a rotating device with head-movements as its being yanked, but wonder about a memory storage device (xPhone) like the one described.

Curious

Any ideas

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2013, 04:43    Post subject: No Run Action set in Rox
Subject description: html and text/plain files had no Run Action associated with them
 

Was a bit surprised to find that neither .txt nor .html files had run actions associated with them, other than "$@". It's like that when booted up without a savefile, yet in that case both types open perfectly well in Geany or SeaMonkey, as appropriate!

The only reason that I noticed this was that using my savefile, at some time, this stopped working and clicking on a file icon in Rox didn't do anything. It certainly didn't happen after I first made a savefile, so it's something I've done but I can't think of anything I've done remotely likely to cause this. I fixed it by entering defaulttexteditor and defaultbrowser to the run actions.

Weirder still .PDF files continue to open just fine, even though they have only "$@" as a run action.

I have checked the effect of reverting to "$@" as the run action for .txt files. The files will no longer open until I re-add defaulttexteditor in the run action.

I seem to be a perfect tester. If it can be broken, I'll break it. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Aug 2013, 12:02    Post subject: Panel Preferences Question  

Why are half the icons in the bottom panels not showing in the Panel preferences edit box? See screenshot. How would I remove the Terminal icon from the Application Launch Bar, for instance, when I can't see it?

Is there any way to edit the icons, as the ones in the Application Launch Bar look rather dull? Better yet, can someone point me to where I can read up on this?
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