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Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012
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rerwin


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 22:49    Post subject: PPM updates, new usb_modeswitch  

I updated the Puppy Package Manager in two of the lupu upgrade packages above, lupu-usr after download 14, lupuplus after download 4, to protect against damage to the permissions of the /tmp file and to prevent the spurious network_tray link I discovered when I installed the network_tray-2.7 package.

EDIT: I have added psync-2.9 to the "frisbee_kit". It is the package used in precise pup. It fixes the issue of the time switching to UTC/GMT instead of local time. I took the "safe route" rather than include the rewrite by 'moose on the loose' on the previous page. I will wait for it to be accepted officially.
EDIT (continued): If you have uninstalled the above "psync-2.0", you also need to remove the link file, /root/Startup/psync_start. Note, too, that "2.0" does not prevent the maddening switch to GMT/UTC, which is corrected in "2.9".

Here I am adding usb_modeswitch-1.2.6 and a corresponding configuration database update. Please try the package if you have a wireless modem. If there are no problems with it, I will add it to the above lupu(plus) packages, replacing version 1.2.4.

EDIT 9/13/2013:
Uploaded usb_modeswitch-1.2.7 and a corresponding configuration database update. Although only two new devices have been added, I have corrected an oversight in 1.2.6 that may have impacted the automated detection of modems during bootup, particularly the first time. Please use it instead of 1.26 if puppy is not detecting your modem automatically. The correction restores the logic that delays startup until mode switching completes. (I will remove 1.2.6 sometime soon.)
Richard
usb-modeswitch-1.2.7-20130807-adapted-lupu528.pet
Description  usb_modeswitch adapted for Lucid Pup only.
Do not use it in other puppies -- wait for the generic version to be posted in a precise Bugs thread.
pet

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usb-modeswitch-1.2.6-20130610-adapted-lupu528.pet
Description  usb_modeswitch adapted for Lucid Pup only.
Do not use it in other puppies -- wait for the generic version to be posted in the precise 5.6.1 Bugs thread.
pet

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Smithy


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 16:50    Post subject:  

Quote from Big Pup:

"I agree, its Linux kernel version will never be able to handle the latest hardware very good, but a lot of us have old hardware that it works very well on. Hard to support hardware, that was not even built, when its kernel was made".

Would it be possible to just slip a new kernel in? Wink

Personally, I don't see 26.33.7 as being old and useless, but maybe it doesn't run well on an i7 or whatever the latest processor is?
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jul 2013, 10:52    Post subject:  

Smithy wrote:
Would it be possible to just slip a new kernel in?
Well, not by me, as that is beyond my competence. Note, though, that 3-headed-dog uses kernel 2.6.37.6 and is otherwise equivalent to the original "lupu" 5.2.8. The problem I have with 3HD is that its kernel source code is not available at playdayz's link to it, making it impossible to compile drivers for it. If anyone has that source tarball for kernel 2.6.37.6, please tell me by PM so we can arrange for uploading to my mediafire account or sending it to me by email.
Richard

UPDATE 8/4/2013: jeff757 has sent me the kernel source for 3HD, so I should now be able to build drivers for 3HD. Actualy, he uploaded it to my mediafire repo. Thank you, Jeff!

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Jul 2013, 21:03    Post subject:  

a few backgrounds.
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Thu 01 Aug 2013, 18:16    Post subject:  

Sorry Rerwin, that's the kernel number I meant, ye olde three headed dawg.

I think some people have been able to slip a new kernel in by changing the etc modules/ etc/distro specs and etc, something or other and then remaster.

I guess someone might have the dev file of it somewhere. Certainly worth keeping for a few tweaks!

I do remember your amazing work back in Puppy 4.1 getting modems to function, and then this work was carried forward.

Futwerk, second wallpaper is looking a bit Edvard Munch.
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 01 Aug 2013, 19:14    Post subject:  

Smithy wrote:

Would it be possible to just slip a new kernel in? Wink


Been there.Done that. Laughing

Was using THD for my "experiments" (aka Lucid with k-2.6.37.6)...... the older build of Lucid didn't seem to mix well with kernels past 3.x.x.
There are some scripts in Lucid that are hard-coded to expect "2.6".


Three-Headed Dog-529 Linux 3.0.4
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=562923#56292

k-3.0.7
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=582041#582041

The newer kernels halfway worked but weren't suitable for release.Maybe someone else can have better luck.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Aug 2013, 03:46    Post subject:
Subject description: LibreOffice display disappears even though htop shows running soffice.bin
 

I am running LupuPlusLibre and find that after I minimise LibreOffice writer (and sometimes spontaneously...) the LibreOffice window disappears completely and there is no way I can get the display back, even if I try to open the document again by clicking on it's icon.

The only way I can get LibreOffice working again is to do a reboot, or else by looking for the soffice.bin process in htop and restarting it after doing a "killall soffice.bin" (sometimes there seem to be 5 or more soffice.bin processes active...).

When I restart it - it has to go through a document recovery so not really a safe way to get the display back. Has anyone else experienced this? I can't find any similar comments...
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Aug 2013, 09:30    Post subject:  

Which version of LibreOffice is it?

You could try using a different Window Manager?

Does it happen when you are doing a particular type of task, or is it completely random.

Are any errors reported if you run LibreOffice from the terminal?

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Aug 2013, 19:19    Post subject:  

darkcity wrote:
Which version of LibreOffice is it?
version 3.5.2.2
I will try to use this a little more and confirm the triggers for it. So far it seems to be more or less random, but triggered by other actions I perform - ie: anything that alters the active window (minimising, or clicking on a different window)). Unfortunately this install is on a different site that I only visit every other wek or so, so I will report back with more info later...
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep 2013, 16:00    Post subject:  

rerwin

About updates for Lucid Puppy.
Updating the video driver packages that can be downloaded with Quickpet would be good.
I am trying Lucid on a very new computer. So far the only problem was getting a new enough Nvidia driver that supports the hardware. Quickpet did not offer one, but I did find one from here:http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72405

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Sep 2013, 17:57    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
Was using THD for my "experiments" (aka Lucid with k-2.6.37.6)...... the older build of Lucid didn't seem to mix well with kernels past 3.x.x.
There are some scripts in Lucid that are hard-coded to expect "2.6".

James,
Could you find and list the names of the scripts that assume "2.6"? I will look into fixing them as part of my 5.2.8.6 remaster of lupu. Thanks.
UPDATE: Although this may be an incomplete list, I found and am fixing 3.x support in:
    /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
    /usr/sbin/bootmanager
    /usr/sbin/pmodemdiag
    /usr/sbin/updatenetmoduleslist


bigpup wrote:
Updating the video driver packages that can be downloaded with Quickpet would be good.
It appears that Quickpet gets the names of the available drivers from Packages-puppy-lucid-official. So a request for specific drivers should probably go to Barry.
Richard

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2013, 04:23    Post subject:  

Hi rerwin,
looking forward to seeing the Lupu update, in due course. In the meantime, and indirectly related to greengeek's earlier comment with LibreOffice issues - might you consider compiling an SFS for LibreOffice 4.X please? I have encountered problems when collaborating with M$ colleagues trying to open docx's created with LibreOffice 3.5.X - M$ gives a BS error report "This document is corrupted and cannot be opened". A known issue that has been solved in LibreOffice 4.X, I understand.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2013, 23:46    Post subject:  

rerwin,

Something to consider in your efforts to support Lucid 528.
Lucid 528.005 has been running fine on this old Dell p4 computer.

I had to get a new wifi USB adapter. (Netgear n150)
This adapter would not work, no matter what I tried.
Looking for a fix, I found a reference to:
you probably need a newer kernel and a driver that will recognize that new a hardware.
So I tried:
Three-Headed Dog 5.2.8.005 Updated ISO APR 25, 2012 - Luci-001.005
Three-Headed Dog is based on Lucid 5.2.8 but with the 2.6.37.6 kernel from Slacko 5.3.1. Some newer computers might work better with 3HD than with Lucid 5.2.8.005.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70736
It worked on first boot. No problem getting The Netgear adapter working.

So for me the problem was supporting new hardware on an old computer.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Sep 2013, 04:33    Post subject: new wifi
Subject description: old kernel
 

@bigpup

I ran into the same problem with a different wifi adapter, and in my case I used 528-004's possibility to use the windows (XP 32 bit) driver. It works as a charm, in fact it works so good (stable, reconnects, no dropouts, fast) that after I confirmed (on rerwins request) that lupuplus528-005 supported the adapter in linux, I kept it as is. Never change a winning team... 528 lives forever.

Maybe you could use the aproach with the netgear adapter.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Sep 2013, 11:15    Post subject:  

Volhout,

Thanks for the idea to try LupuPlus.

I tried it, but the same problem I had with Lucid 528.005.
It seems for my hardware a slightly newer Linux kernel (Three-Headed Dog 5.2.8.005) was the fix.

LupuPlus, with the Kernel from Three-Headed Dog 5.2.8.005, would probably be a very good update for Lucid. (Some newer updated drivers and newer Linux kernel).

Not sure if it would be as simple as that. Just swap kernels.

528 lives forever.

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