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#141 Post by edoc »

edoc wrote: OK, so not so funny guys, where are the files hidden? :-)

I can see Seamonkey 12 files I acquired via Puppy Package Manager when I use pfind but when I go to /usr to look at them they are nowhere to be found - and I do have All on to show them in case they are Hidden.

Very weird..
Am I looking at the password thing, again?

Do I need to sign-in as the administrative user because the default is something less - which is why I can't see the Firefox and Seamonkey and Sylpheed files?
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#142 Post by edoc »

su root ... sigh.

Found the files too!

Seems Sylpheed isn't compatible with Seamonkey file & folder structure from Mozilla - have to see if it will at least import my Address Book - otherwise it's probably a no-go.

I found this 2008 Puppy Forum thread - I wonder if it still works that way:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29825
I was also able to import my Seamonkey mail folders directly. I had to export the Seamonkey address book as a LDIF file, then I could import it into Sylpheed. It took about a half hour.
Otherwise, probably Seamonkey if Evolution is a no-go.

Evolution looks a lot like the Seamonkey email interface - but not sure if the backend uses the same Mozilla files and folders.
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UEFI - LH64 working partition must be ext4?

#143 Post by edoc »

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Jim1911 wrote:Hi edoc,

A little off topic. I don't know anything about UEFI, but before I installed Windows 8, I did have frugal installations on the same drive with Vista that worked well. It appears that you need to resize your Windows partition and create a new linux partition for your frugal installations. CAUTION: Resize using Windows itself. Then install Grub4Dos to boot, it works great. That will get you away from booting with an USB installation.

Jim
We rolled back the MS version of windows from win8 to win7.

There's a problem with setting up the Lighthouse64 EFI boot file - it's non-persistent for some reason ... will chase that later.
I just noticed that my sda4, the working partition for LH64, is for some reason ext3 rather than ext4.

Two questions:

1. Is it mandatory that it be ext4 to play nicely with UEFI?

2. Will the contents of sda4 be wiped if I change from ext3 to ext4?

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menuentry "Lighthouse64 Linux" {
                icon /EFI/boot/icons/os_lighthouse.icns
                loader vmlinuz
                initrd initrd.xz
                options "pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda7"    (Change sda7 in this line to whatever your new ext4 partition is. See boot options for more info.)
                 }
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Re: UEFI - LH64 working partition must be ext4?

#144 Post by Jim1911 »

edoc wrote:
edoc wrote:
Jim1911 wrote:Hi edoc,

A little off topic. I don't know anything about UEFI, but before I installed Windows 8, I did have frugal installations on the same drive with Vista that worked well. It appears that you need to resize your Windows partition and create a new linux partition for your frugal installations. CAUTION: Resize using Windows itself. Then install Grub4Dos to boot, it works great. That will get you away from booting with an USB installation.

Jim
We rolled back the MS version of windows from win8 to win7.

There's a problem with setting up the Lighthouse64 EFI boot file - it's non-persistent for some reason ... will chase that later.
I just noticed that my sda4, the working partition for LH64, is for some reason ext3 rather than ext4.

Two questions:

1. Is it mandatory that it be ext4 to play nicely with UEFI? No idea? I am completely satisfied with Grub4Dos which does a super job booting Windows and many Linux installations.

2. Will the contents of sda4 be wiped if I change from ext3 to ext4? Yes, gparted will wipe contents. I've found that ext3 and ext4 are both stable and have both type partitions.

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menuentry "Lighthouse64 Linux" {
                icon /EFI/boot/icons/os_lighthouse.icns
                loader vmlinuz
                initrd initrd.xz
                options "pmedia=atahd pdev1=sda7"    (Change sda7 in this line to whatever your new ext4 partition is. See boot options for more info.)
                 }
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Re: UEFI - LH64 working partition must be ext4?

#145 Post by edoc »

edoc wrote: 1. Is it mandatory that it be ext4 to play nicely with UEFI?
Jim1911 wrote:No idea? I am completely satisfied with Grub4Dos which does a super job booting Windows and many Linux installations.
2. Will the contents of sda4 be wiped if I change from ext3 to ext4?
Jim1911 wrote:Yes, gparted will wipe contents. I've found that ext3 and ext4 are both stable and have both type partitions. Regards,
Jim
OK re. gparted from ext3 to ext4 being destructive. I figured that.

And OK re. both being OK.

Because I am dealing with the quirky UEFI stuff I am chasing every tiny variable to discover what is blocking a Frugal install.

Anyone using UEFI, or familiar with it, know if sda3 vs sda4 will have any impact?

Thanks!
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UEFI - LH64 Boot Partition

#146 Post by edoc »

In the UEFI - LH64 Boot Partition (which I labeled lh64b2 but may also be shown as sda6) should there be a file named "lighthousex64 efi" located at /mnt/sda6/EFI/boot/ (or /media/lh64b2/EFI/boot/")?

There is one labeled "grubx64.efi" and it contains three folders: "refind.conf" "xorg.conf" and "bootinit.log"

"bootinit.log" contains this (Note: I booted from USB):
Booting Lighthouse64 602 k3.8.7
blacklist=radeon initrd=initrd.xz BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz

Temporarily enabling cpufreq-performance scaling governor for faster boot.

Loading drivers needed to access disk drives...
Waiting for usb partitions...
Locating main file and session files...
Finding L64-602.sfs and L64save files...
Found 1 save file(s) loading main file and session file...

Loading savefile /L64save.4fs (sda4)...
Size=487.9MiB, 76% free

Found swap, loading main file /L64-602.sfs (sda4)
Min RAM to copy: 379M free: 3292M... copying main file to RAM

Setting up the layered filesystem... PUPMODE=12
Verifying aufs tables...
Checking for preconfig files in /mnt/dev_save/precfg...
Preparing for a 'switch_root' to the layered filesystem...
Kernel module radeon was moved to /usr/lib64/x/modules to prevent loading.
Could I just copy "grubx64.efi" to "lighthousex64.efi" then edit that somehow so it both shows up in the UEFI boot menu and successfully initiates Frugal?
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Seamonkey works in LH64-602b2

#147 Post by edoc »

Just installed Seamonkey 2.12 and it works fine.

I was able to symlink (Copy, Link Relative) my xxxxx.default folder and bring across all of the files and folders from the previous installation.

Note: Seamonkey shows up in Network whereas the other apps all show up in Internet - not sure who would fix the Seamonkey PET for consistency.

I will continue to use Seamonkey as my primary email app but may link to Firefox for Web due to the lack of support for Seamonkey for dontfollowme and firebug.
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Firefox mailto Seamonkey Mail - Problem

#148 Post by edoc »

When I try to set Firefox Preferences to use Seamonkey as the mailto helper application it tries to open Seamonkey but stalls at Select User Profile where it offers no Profile .default options.

I am guessing this may be a permissions problem - the helper app in Firefox can't see those .default folders?

I don't want it to open the whole Seamonkey suite anyhow, rather only the Seamonkey mail app.

I tried to use the seamonkey-mail.desktop link in applications but Firefox would not accept that.

Any thoughts as to how I might work around this, please?

It may be the best of both worlds to use Firefox as the browser and Seamonkey as the email app.
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Re: Seamonkey works in LH64-602b2

#149 Post by edoc »

edoc wrote:Just installed Seamonkey 2.12 and it works fine.

I was able to symlink (Copy, Link Relative) my xxxxx.default folder and bring across all of the files and folders from the previous installation.

Note: Seamonkey shows up in Network whereas the other apps all show up in Internet - not sure who would fix the Seamonkey PET for consistency.

I will continue to use Seamonkey as my primary email app but may link to Firefox for Web due to the lack of support for Seamonkey for dontfollowme and firebug.
I spoke too soon :oops:

The subfolders did not transfer and neither did any of the archived messages.

Also, none of the mail filters made it across.

I'll look at that and report back ...
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Confused by Spot

#150 Post by edoc »

I am so not used to dealing with anything other than root for everything ...

Spot is driving me nuts ... OK ... more nuts. :roll:

The first time I used Seamonkey it booted-up using the default configuration found in /root/spot/.mozilla (as noted I had symlinked an imported default folder and edited profiles.ini)

Now, when I just opened Seamonkey, it came up as it was a whole new load and was looking at the empty default folder in /root/.mozilla

I can once-again symlink (Copy, then Link-Relative) the same imported default folder I used the first time, this time to /root/.mozilla - but I need to understand what is happening and why, please?

Also, is there really a need to avoid root when this is a single-user laptop?
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#151 Post by edoc »

Just went ahead and fired-up Seamonkey, after symlinking the imported default folder, and this time everything was imported properly - Inbox subfolders, archived emails, filters, etc.

It appears that I lost the few emails that had arrived and were sent during the first session, though I would have expected they'd have been written to this common imported & symlinked default folder.

Sigh.
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#152 Post by gcmartin »

Wondering: SeaMonkey is a built-in feature of FATDOG. Is there a PET which would provide proper constructs for LH64? I looked for one in FATDOG but, I may have overlooked where it resides.

Just thoughts that would make the SeaMonkey experience a simple one.

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#153 Post by edoc »

gcmartin wrote:Wondering: SeaMonkey is a built-in feature of FATDOG. Is there a PET which would provide proper constructs for LH64? I looked for one in FATDOG but, I may have overlooked where it resides.

Just thoughts that would make the SeaMonkey experience a simple one.
The Spot vs root thing messed me up some - all seems to be well now.

I need to look to see if there is any debris left behind by my first effort ... I don't like code-clutter as it may introduce unknown variables to future intermittent or persistent problems.

I tried to get Firefox to use Seamonkey as the email mailto app but still no joy - it keeps trying to start-up Seamonkey - which is already open.

It doesn't allow me to point only at Seamonkey-email.
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No sound

#154 Post by edoc »

AlsaConf shows this:

hda-Intel Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Hudson Azalia Controller

hda-Intel ATI Technologies Inc Device 9902

legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) Chips

I tried the first two and the taskbar volume control remained unresponsive (full volume by default) and I have no sound.

I did not try legacy due to the warning that it might render the system unstable and it's a fairly new laptop which is unlikely to contain such devices.

WDYT, please?
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#155 Post by tazoc »

David,
Please check that all needed channels are enabled in the mixer, (right-click on the speaker icon for retrovol down near the clock -> then click 'Full Window'.) Usually the first four or five should be enabled (not muted) and raise the volumes if they are lowered.

RE: UEFI, ext3 for the partition with your L64save file should be fine. Have you gone back into the UEFI Setup, Boot tab in your BIOS to see if the boot option you added in Step 5 is still there? If not, put it back in and disable Secure Boot, maybe that will help. EFI/boot/bootx64.efi is the correct file on your new fat32 partition.
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I was wondering if it is at all possible to turn off the volume label on the desktop drive icons :?:

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So that they display sda2 sdb1 etc.?
I didn't anticipate or include that setting, however, you can you mouse over the icon for the Linux designation. If the icons are too close together, increase the ICON_PLACE_SPACING= value near the end of /etc/eventmanager and restart X.
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#156 Post by edoc »

tazoc wrote:David,
Please check that all needed channels are enabled in the mixer, (right-click on the speaker icon for retrovol down near the clock -> then click 'Full Window'.) Usually the first four or five should be enabled (not muted) and raise the volumes if they are lowered.
When I right-click on the speaker icon I get a small window.

In that window there is only FILE in the upper left corner and a checkbox above "IEC958" centered at the bottom.
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Lighthouse 64 602 Beta2

#157 Post by Jim1911 »

Hi TaZoc,

Having fun with it, as you can see eSword works find as well as the obsolete commercial program, Quickverse 2011, running under Wine installed with greendome's latest wine-1.6-rc5-i486_v1.pet along with Fatdog's 32bit-slacko.sfs. You may want to add them to your update with a reminder that Fatdog's 32bit-slacko.sfs must also be loaded.

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#158 Post by tazoc »

edoc wrote:When I right-click on the speaker icon I get a small window.

In that window there is only FILE in the upper left corner and a checkbox above "IEC958" centered at the bottom.
Hmm, that's odd! OK, next I think I would try the Multiple Sound Card Wizard, also found in Setup under the main menu. If that doesn't work--my last idea is to delete the file asound.state inside /var/lib/alsa/ and reboot.

If you haven't already, please look at the Audio Configuration page on the LH64 FAQ:
http://www.lhpup.org/help/faqs/sound.html
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#159 Post by gcmartin »

Booted and runnig Mariner from DVD. Is anyone else seeing GVFS behavior with nothing going on like what I am seeing here. Thre are no foreign PETs or SFSs installed. And the only thing active is ROX.

Initially, I saw this climb after starting Firefox from the terminal. Over the course of a day, the system pegged the CPU with FF open in use.

I shut FF down and this is what I have. There are no FF services/subsystem running at the moment, but of interest,is the GVFS performance shown in top.

Ideas and ideas for resolution???

Edited (2013/07/21): This problem is probably NOT due to GVFS presence, but, rather due to something in Mariner. I have been running BASIC LH64for observation over past several days and am not seeing the sustained CPU use that was witnessed before and after FF use on Mariner.
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#160 Post by edoc »

tazoc wrote:... next I think I would try the Multiple Sound Card Wizard, also found in Setup under the main menu.
That got me some volume, including the boot-up waves ... :-)

However, the taskbar volume control is stuck on 65295% - if that may be a hint to anyone.

Also, Pmusic is not working.
tazoc wrote:If that doesn't work--my last idea is to delete the file asound.state inside /var/lib/alsa/ and reboot.
I will try this next.
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