MouseCam Pups (V6 released 20th June 2013)

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Word-Completion Tools & a comment

#41 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Just wanted to mention that I've posted some tools to facilitate xvkbd's word-completion module. They can be found here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 999#710999.

Nancy, you're both right, and wrong, and unhelpful. You're right: Learning anything new is difficult and involves a learning curve. But the operating system and applications of a Pup are not more difficult to master than those of windows; probably less if you haven't already been habituated to using windows. Including "Cheatsheets," Help-files and other documentation can alleviate some of the difficulty.
It is unhelpful to criticize and suggest someone else should correct something unless you are unable to correct it yourself. While it is possible, even probable, that some of the applications ETP has included may require his attention, what is your reason for not providing whatever helpful documentation you can? Certainly, neither ETP, SFR, greengeek nor myself had any idea of the amount of time and effort we would devote to trying to provide serviceable interfaces for those with disabilities, we just started by doing what we could, and --at least in my case-- learning what we could so that we could do more.
Puppy is a "do-ocracy." You certainly have knowledge of how to use most of Puppy's applications. Write up a tutorial on those applications of which you are familiar, and believe would be most often used by those needing ETP's Pups in particular, or xvkbd and Oneswitch in general. My guess is that the most used applications will be word-processing, web-browsing, and file-management. I'm sure that ETP would be happy to include them in his Pups, along with a way to easily access them.
Edit: On the other hand, this is ETP's Pup and only he can correct an application deficiency. Rox, as a File Manager, for those whom the Pup is intended to help, is almost entirely unmanageable. Thunar, or Pacman or spaceman are better, but it would be best to provide at least one file manager whose functions don't depend on mouse movements. I would, again, recommend xfe. It's great that radar enable one to drag and drop a file or folder. But at best doing so is awkward and time consuming. Wouldn't a dual pane file manager using keyboard commands be better?

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Recommend Chrome's Dead Mouse extension be added

#42 Post by mikeslr »

Hi ETP,

You've got Chrome anyway. And xvkbd. Consider Dead Mouse as an alternative to the Webcam. See https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... g?hl=en-US

"Surf with your keyboard. Follow links on the web page using keyboard. Use Ctrl+Shift+k to enable/disable deadmouse plus.
This Extension is for power users of the Internet.
When you are on a web page: to go to a particular link on the page you would ideally have to click on the link, with this extension start typing the title of the link and the link would start shaking, hitting enter will take you the URL or hitting shift+Enter will open the link in a new window.
You can press Ctrl+Shift+k if you wish to disable/Enable DeadMouse Plus.
More Intuitive options are available:
1. Hitting Backspace/ Escape will reset your search.
2. Hitting TAB will take you to other links which match your input."

Actually, it's better than that. If clicking a link represented by a highlighted word would open to that link, the highlighted word is the "title." So typing a couple of letters will result in the word "shaking" and clicking the Enter button will take you to the URL.
Learning curve: Almost Zero.

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Hotkey help pet posted

#43 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Just a note that I've posted a Hotkey Help pet which, hopefully, will help users learn a quick and fairly easy way to accomplish tasks. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 482#712482.
Not really in response to Nancy Reagan's criticism: I had planned to do it some time ago, once more pressing "interface" problems had been dealt with.
Only the Hotkeys used by Abiword, Geany, firefox and Xfe are specifically covered. Feel free to add information regarding any other applications. The technique I used to create it was: (1) Use LibreOffice writer to create a Table. (2) Use mtpaintsnapshot to take photos of the Table. (3) Add the photos to a directory where the pet will look. SFR wrote the executable script. I only had to (a) give the script a name later used by the desktop file, (b) as aforementioned create the directory with a name and location, and (c) edit the script to look in that directory. The directory is /root/hotkeyhelp.


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Voice search plus update

#44 Post by ETP »

Dear All,

Looking back through this thread I realise that I mentioned the inclusion of voice search in the original post but did not say much about it.

The vastly improved Google voice search for Chrome was introduced in version 27 and is quite remarkable.

For anyone interested, this link gives an overview:

http://www.google.com/insidesearch/feat ... hrome.html

This link gives specific examples of its use:

http://www.google.com/insidesearch/tipstricks/

As brilliant as it is, it does however fall short of full voice control. I have therefore started to investigate that, with a view to producing a pup that offers both webcam control and full voice search/control. Initial tests look promising and if things pan out I propose to call it “Obedient Pup
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portrait usted landscape ! (::)

#45 Post by oui »

hi

I often need to use my screen differently: "portrait sized" and not "landscape" as more usual in PC jobs (but not in smart phones and other android derivates...)

until now i did use KDE for that and the settings of it to rotate the screen 90°

as the download of puppy night KDE is not operable now (error message: Error 509 This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled! ) at http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3694 ... TKDEB1.iso to do that, I did try to use the x.org function "xrandr -o left" / "xrandr -o normal" and it works pretty (see following screenshot and the command lines in the opened console)!

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to do that, I did rename /root/jwm to make it unavailable in the future, and edit /root/.jwmrc to quote the line

Code: Select all

<!-- Include>/root/.jwmrc-tray</Include -->
as the tray cut the screen in to arrays and I absolutely don't want it

and select a background in only one colour to avoid that the background pictures appears 2 times on the screen

and after that I did restart X

but the icons for my partitions drives sda1 and sda5 continue to stay on the wrong place after the restart!

how to avoid that in the future?

kind rgds

PS: why do I that? I very often process geographic material (landmaps etc). and the landscape screen direction is the wrong direction if you want see a map oriented north - south :idea: ! and I have now to process printed forms from authorities and it is not possible to make good screenshot using the usual wrong screen direction: a lot of important picture resolution goes wasted...
the usual JWM tray at the bottom is a very very bad limitation in such situations! it is the wrong place for a tray! a tray as to be at the place where the writing lines are beginning in the considered language, in English, left!

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Re: Revised Square Keyboard

#46 Post by greengeek »

mikeslr wrote:Wondering what else I might have left out I discovered it was also missing a comma. Call it the "Xerox" syndrom: I used a previous config file to build it, ran thru the alphabet and counted from 0 thru 9, but forgot to check symbols.
When I first read your comment about "xerox" syndrome I did not understand what you meant. I guess you meant just "blindly copying"? Your comment came to mind this week when one of the guys at work posted a link about recent problems with xerox copiers having the opposite problem - the copiers are deliberately (and very carefully) corrupting the characters:
http://arstechnica.com/information-tech ... documents/
Nasty problem!

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RE: portrait usted landscape ! (::)

#47 Post by ETP »

Hi oui,

If the following does not help you may wish to re-post your query in the Precise 5.6.1 thread as this Pup is a re-master of that and AFAIK there is nothing in it that would impact upon the ability or inability to rotate the screen.

The only half decent reference to that subject that I can find is this one, which suggests a couple of solutions but backup your savefile before you try!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58138

I tend to prefer simple solutions and with my own copy of MouseCam Pup V6 use the following sfs.
nvidia-glx-319.17-k3.2.44.sfs
That driver provides the rotation facility which obviously the monitor must support.

So if you have a monitor and graphics driver that support this you could in theory rotate any Pup. (I would still backup your savefile before trying it though!)
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#48 Post by oui »

thank you very much ETP! I did continue in the specialized discussion:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 441#718441

and I use this knowledge in this French discussion:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=87960

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#49 Post by slackfan »

Hi
devx file actually yet available?
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#50 Post by ETP »

slackfan wrote:Hi
devx file actually yet available?
Regards
Hi slackfan,
MouseCam is based on a re-master of Precise Puppy 5.6.1 (k 3.3.44)
The devx for 5.6.1 can be found here: (138.7MB)
https://archive.org/details/Puppy_Linux_Precise
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#51 Post by slackfan »

Hi ETP

Thank you very much!

It would be important in my eyes the https://archive.org/ would appear on the official download page from Puppy
http://puppylinux.com/download/index.html
as those important step of the Puppy development did be erased on the other official depositories of Puppy and remplaced by the less used :idea: new versions!

MouseCam is probably one of the best Puppy derivatives of all the Puppy live and the two goals are unique, help handicaped people and for that use extensively voice commands! It would be terrible that the actualisation of main depositories would made of MouseCam a dead branch as no future development with it would not be possible any more!

I did download 3 files
- devx_precise_5.6.1.sfs
- devx_precise_5.6.1.sfs__devz_precise_5.7.sfs.delta and
- devx_precise_5.6.11.sfs!

estonish is the size difference between evx_precise_5.6.1.sfs and evx_precise_5.6.11.sfs! why?

what is a sfs.delta?

kind regards

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#52 Post by ETP »

Hi slackfan,

It would be a good idea to add archive.org to the list on Barry’s puppylinux.com site.
Perhaps you could PM your suggestion to forum member ALLY who maintains it and to whom we all owe a debt of gratitude.

Delta files are explained here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=52232
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#53 Post by oui »

MouseCam is really a super production!

Here in action with the kde4.10.1.sfs:
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#54 Post by oui »

You can see that I am using

- Konqueror, works very well (but seems don't to be able to use full the flashplayer integrated in MouseCam for Chrome. Perhaps is a adequate driver to connect it?)

- KolourPaint making a screenshot

- Dolphin actually using his splitted modus

- and did install Parley on top from Debian Squeezy (needs only 1 dependencie more! it is libkeduvocdocument.so) so it would be possible to start it as supplementary *.sfs (and probably more KDE educational stuff, perhaps also Calligra?)

- kwrite, kate, gwenview, okular did also work...

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#55 Post by ETP »

Hi oui,

I regret that I have never used KDE apps but Google tells me that flash can be problematic:
https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q= ... wser+flash
Having first backed up your save-file, you will need to experiment. The search results include a couple of possible solutions but I do not know what impact if any they might have on Chrome’s pepper-flash.
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Can you help a blind man with your puppy ?

#56 Post by nancy reagan »

Hi ETP

On this site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcaRkf ... 8L&index=2

where "linux help guy" is showing his new Tahr Pup, somebody Andrew Bryant pianotunerbristol, asks if he can make it accessiblle for blind people ..

Thought to remember your derivatives for disabled people.

Not sure whether yours is completely accessible to te blind.

Anyway maybe you can have a closer look and in case of .. contact the "pianotuner".

Would be great if you could meet his demands.

Remember, even to abled average Windozers, puppy is not all that accessible.

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MouseCam Pups (V6 released 20th June 2013)

#57 Post by ETP »

Hi nancy reagan,

MouseCam is not suitable for the blind but the last version of Obedient Pup
(V3) released 5th November 2013 included features for the blind.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=88095

It is not clear whether Andrew is himself blind & his request relates
specifically to PuppyBang Linux 6.0.3

LHG has a vast knowledge of Linux & may be able to add features for the Blind or recommend
a suitable alternative.
Obedient Pup is now rather out of date and I do not intend to update it
That does not mean that I have lost interest in voice control but am waiting for
Google to bring customisable voice control to Chrome for desktops. They call it
"voice actions" & are currently testing it with Android first.
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