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MouseCam Pups (V6 released 20th June 2013)
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ETP


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jun 2013, 11:49    Post subject:  

Hi Ted Dog,

Mmmm….. That may explain why Microsoft's Bing offers page translations into Klingon.
Then again,
"The nice thing about Windows is, it doesn’t just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press “OK” first."
Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2013, 11:18    Post subject: MouseCam Pup v6
Subject description: Released 20th June 2013
 

Hi All,
The above is now available for download from my server. Minor cosmetic changes have been made including new default wallpaper.
Experience working on the “single switch” pups taught me that what is needed is the fewest moves and clicks to perform a routine task. The same logic applies to web camera control.

Main Changes since v5:

1. Addition of a “Vocaroo” voice mail icon to the right hand panel.

2. Eviacam click panel set to auto-hide as the default plus default dwell time set to 2 seconds as opposed to 1 second. The smoothness default has been left at the original value of 5 which is probably O/K if you have a recent CPU but with an older one it will need cranking up to 7 or 8. [I settled on 8]

3. A further 2 additional icons on the right hand navigation panel named CopyLN and PasteLN.
(Copy a single line of text then paste it somewhere)
These are specifically for use with the dictate option when text input is needed elsewhere. Rather than using the virtual keyboard it is simpler to dictate what is needed, then to copy and paste it using these icons. Please note that the copy routine puts in a hard return after the copy, ready for you to dictate your next line of text if need be.

Setup Procedure:

Remains as detailed in the first post of this thread.

Where to obtain the ISO: (273 MB)

The ISO and MD5 are to be found here:
http://www.mydrive.ch (Switzerland)
Guest login name = maddog@puppy4
Password= maddog

And on:
http://www.puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/ETP/ (Australia)

Finally:

A couple of screen-shots are attached. The first shows the new desktop whilst the second shows the recommended method of running the browser at less than full screen. This leaves the navigation bar permanently exposed allowing for easy access to its utilities such as page up/down.
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nancy reagan

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2013, 11:45    Post subject: Realize the user unfriendliness of puppy  

However advanced and nice this pup is, do you realize the user unfriendliness of Puppy.

Most important thing -in my opinion - is to make a simple manual for non tweakers.

For example: "mounting a drive", saving or not a session, usb install.

Pets (???) sfs's.

Best way to find out is to ask a Windozer to take place behind the screen ask him/her "what would you like to do ?" and let her/him try to find out.

Big chance they won't get anywhere. So by taking noter of their questions you could write a small tutorial if only for the basic things a Windozers does with his computer on a daily basis.

Would be such a waste if people cannot properly use this awfully nice contribution !
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2013, 15:15    Post subject:  

nancy reagan you are too strong (I don't know if it is possible to say that: I transscribe from German: «Sie sind zu streng» and say it because it is really important: Bad English is better to understand in the world as original poor Laughing British English Rolling Eyes and it seems, that in this case British English did be used)

this Puppy is wonderful

I would wish very urgently that Puppy would arrive in the Android tablet world with such a version!
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2013, 15:49    Post subject: JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A WONDERFUL PUPPY  

oui wrote:
nancy reagan you are too strong (I don't know if it is possible to say that: I transscribe from German: «Sie sind zu streng» and say it because it is really important: Bad English is better to understand in the world as original poor Laughing British English Rolling Eyes and it seems, that in this case British English did be used)

this Puppy is wonderful



Just because - THIS IS A WONDERFUL PUPPY - I am saying this.

For this pup is especially meant for handicapped people, who cannot move the way valid people can and usually are forced to use Windoze, I thought it would help a lot that there comes a basic tut telling them about "mounting" "Save as" "/" etc. etc

Some expressions are so hard to understand, that it would be a shame that this pup might get lost just because of the strange expressions.

I mentioned it a lot earlier "such a shame that a diamond like puppy gets lost for lots of people just because it is hard to handle for Windozers".

Hope I made myself a bit clearer.

Verstehts'de ?

Ich meine, weil Puppy ist so wunderbar es sollte nicht verloren gehen durch fremde Ausdrueckungen fuer Windozers. Usw.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2013, 15:57    Post subject:  

I think it can even be difficult for experienced puppians to make the best of the features becoming available - so one of the important issues, as you suggest, is to LISTEN to the needs of the target audience so we can help them.

The major difficulty with that is that it is necessary to "guess" what help they need - because we do not bump into them on a daily basis.

Possibly it would be worthwhile to have volunteers who could use this pup as if they were themselves disabled (ie: spend a day using only this pup...), and give some feedback about what needs further tuition or alteration.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jun 2013, 18:34    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
I think it can even be difficult for experienced puppians to make the best of the features becoming available - so one of the important issues, as you suggest, is to LISTEN to the needs of the target audience so we can help them.

The major difficulty with that is that it is necessary to "guess" what help they need - because we do not bump into them on a daily basis.

Possibly it would be worthwhile to have volunteers who could use this pup as if they were themselves disabled (ie: spend a day using only this pup...), and give some feedback about what needs further tuition or alteration.


What I wanted to make clear that even for non-handicapped Windozers Puppy for the first time is difficult.

One can find out by asking even a non-handicapped Windozers "what would you like to do" and place him/her behind the screen and thus find out what needs to be explained, just for daily use.

What applies to the non-handicapped, applies to the handicapped as well and it would be a pity that alle the efforts made here, would not land widely enough !
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jun 2013, 04:34    Post subject: MouseCam Pup v6  

Hi All,

Regardless of any documentation available anyone new to computing or migrating from any other OS to Linux, is in my experience, likely to need a mentor. It is really down to the mentor to study any documentation such as “The Puppy Linux Manual”

http://puppylinux.org/main/Manual-English.htm

and to handle the initial installation and setup. Following that “tell, show do” works best as most people find manuals/guides totally daunting and tend not to read them. Being shown how to do something and then trying it themselves is a better and more productive approach.

I totally agree with Greengeek’s comments. More feedback on all the accessibility pups is needed. Emulating disabled use plus guesswork leaves one wondering whether or not the Pup is fit for purpose. The more testers the better.

@Oui
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I would wish very urgently that Puppy would arrive in the Android tablet world with such a version!

I suspect that Puppy on Android will arrive before long. Here are a couple of links which may be of interest.

http://linuxonandroid.org

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid&hl=en

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jun 2013, 11:30    Post subject: Text to Speech add-on for MouseCam Pup v6 (TTS)  

Testing has revealed that using webcam control needs a lot of continuous concentration. There is the need not only to click on icons and links, but also to avoid accidentally clicking on other links & icons. Thus it is quite demanding and having text read out aloud can provide a welcome break.

There are a number of Chrome extensions that provide TTS but I recommend the “Select And Speak” one for its clarity and wide range of language & voice options. In addition it has a very handy option to add speech recognition to all browser based text input fields. It is all cloud based so has little impact on your save-file.

A link to install this extension can be found in the bottom right of this web page:
www.ispeech.org
Set up your options and then select the text in this post to test it out. The options I chose are shown below.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Jun 2013, 19:33    Post subject: Revised Square Keyboard  

Hi All,

Xvkbd provides that "text" --including keyboard commands-- can be assigned to the function keys. While exploring that possibility I ran into an immediate problem. The commands have to start with "!" without the quotes. The Square keyboard I published didn't include an exclamation symbol. Wondering what else I might have left out I discovered it was also missing a comma. Call it the "Xerox" syndrom: I used a previous config file to build it, ran thru the alphabet and counted from 0 thru 9, but forgot to check symbols. So I've deleted the original Square keyboard and jpg showing it and have submitted a revision. You'll note that this version lacks the Meta Key which isn't used in English Keyboards. The revisions can be found here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=707919#707919

Edit 6/30/13. Figured out how to still have a Meta Key, so revised Square, png & pet. See above link.
My apologies,

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PostPosted: Sun 30 Jun 2013, 21:29    Post subject: Word-Completion Tools & a comment  

Hi All,

Just wanted to mention that I've posted some tools to facilitate xvkbd's word-completion module. They can be found here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=710999#710999.

Nancy, you're both right, and wrong, and unhelpful. You're right: Learning anything new is difficult and involves a learning curve. But the operating system and applications of a Pup are not more difficult to master than those of windows; probably less if you haven't already been habituated to using windows. Including "Cheatsheets," Help-files and other documentation can alleviate some of the difficulty.
It is unhelpful to criticize and suggest someone else should correct something unless you are unable to correct it yourself. While it is possible, even probable, that some of the applications ETP has included may require his attention, what is your reason for not providing whatever helpful documentation you can? Certainly, neither ETP, SFR, greengeek nor myself had any idea of the amount of time and effort we would devote to trying to provide serviceable interfaces for those with disabilities, we just started by doing what we could, and --at least in my case-- learning what we could so that we could do more.
Puppy is a "do-ocracy." You certainly have knowledge of how to use most of Puppy's applications. Write up a tutorial on those applications of which you are familiar, and believe would be most often used by those needing ETP's Pups in particular, or xvkbd and Oneswitch in general. My guess is that the most used applications will be word-processing, web-browsing, and file-management. I'm sure that ETP would be happy to include them in his Pups, along with a way to easily access them.
Edit: On the other hand, this is ETP's Pup and only he can correct an application deficiency. Rox, as a File Manager, for those whom the Pup is intended to help, is almost entirely unmanageable. Thunar, or Pacman or spaceman are better, but it would be best to provide at least one file manager whose functions don't depend on mouse movements. I would, again, recommend xfe. It's great that radar enable one to drag and drop a file or folder. But at best doing so is awkward and time consuming. Wouldn't a dual pane file manager using keyboard commands be better?

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Jul 2013, 17:43    Post subject: Recommend Chrome's Dead Mouse extension be added  

Hi ETP,

You've got Chrome anyway. And xvkbd. Consider Dead Mouse as an alternative to the Webcam. See https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/deadmouse-plus/afeakpllkphoceocgbeglkoddpmlddkg?hl=en-US

"Surf with your keyboard. Follow links on the web page using keyboard. Use Ctrl+Shift+k to enable/disable deadmouse plus.
This Extension is for power users of the Internet.
When you are on a web page: to go to a particular link on the page you would ideally have to click on the link, with this extension start typing the title of the link and the link would start shaking, hitting enter will take you the URL or hitting shift+Enter will open the link in a new window.
You can press Ctrl+Shift+k if you wish to disable/Enable DeadMouse Plus.
More Intuitive options are available:
1. Hitting Backspace/ Escape will reset your search.
2. Hitting TAB will take you to other links which match your input."

Actually, it's better than that. If clicking a link represented by a highlighted word would open to that link, the highlighted word is the "title." So typing a couple of letters will result in the word "shaking" and clicking the Enter button will take you to the URL.
Learning curve: Almost Zero.

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Jul 2013, 19:31    Post subject: Hotkey help pet posted  

Hi All,

Just a note that I've posted a Hotkey Help pet which, hopefully, will help users learn a quick and fairly easy way to accomplish tasks. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=712482#712482.
Not really in response to Nancy Reagan's criticism: I had planned to do it some time ago, once more pressing "interface" problems had been dealt with.
Only the Hotkeys used by Abiword, Geany, firefox and Xfe are specifically covered. Feel free to add information regarding any other applications. The technique I used to create it was: (1) Use LibreOffice writer to create a Table. (2) Use mtpaintsnapshot to take photos of the Table. (3) Add the photos to a directory where the pet will look. SFR wrote the executable script. I only had to (a) give the script a name later used by the desktop file, (b) as aforementioned create the directory with a name and location, and (c) edit the script to look in that directory. The directory is /root/hotkeyhelp.


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 09:29    Post subject: Voice search plus update  

Dear All,

Looking back through this thread I realise that I mentioned the inclusion of voice search in the original post but did not say much about it.

The vastly improved Google voice search for Chrome was introduced in version 27 and is quite remarkable.

For anyone interested, this link gives an overview:

www.google.com/insidesearch/features/voicesearch/index-chrome.html

This link gives specific examples of its use:

www.google.com/insidesearch/tipstricks/

As brilliant as it is, it does however fall short of full voice control. I have therefore started to investigate that, with a view to producing a pup that offers both webcam control and full voice search/control. Initial tests look promising and if things pan out I propose to call it “Obedient Pup”. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Aug 2013, 15:45    Post subject: portrait usted landscape ! (::)  

hi

I often need to use my screen differently: "portrait sized" and not "landscape" as more usual in PC jobs (but not in smart phones and other android derivates...)

until now i did use KDE for that and the settings of it to rotate the screen 90°

as the download of puppy night KDE is not operable now (error message: Error 509 This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled! ) at http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36940871/puppy%20night%20kde%20iso395mb/PUPPYNIGHTKDEB1.iso to do that, I did try to use the x.org function "xrandr -o left" / "xrandr -o normal" and it works pretty (see following screenshot and the command lines in the opened console)!



to do that, I did rename /root/jwm to make it unavailable in the future, and edit /root/.jwmrc to quote the line

Code:
<!-- Include>/root/.jwmrc-tray</Include -->


as the tray cut the screen in to arrays and I absolutely don't want it

and select a background in only one colour to avoid that the background pictures appears 2 times on the screen

and after that I did restart X

but the icons for my partitions drives sda1 and sda5 continue to stay on the wrong place after the restart!

how to avoid that in the future?

kind rgds

PS: why do I that? I very often process geographic material (landmaps etc). and the landscape screen direction is the wrong direction if you want see a map oriented north - south Idea ! and I have now to process printed forms from authorities and it is not possible to make good screenshot using the usual wrong screen direction: a lot of important picture resolution goes wasted...
the usual JWM tray at the bottom is a very very bad limitation in such situations! it is the wrong place for a tray! a tray as to be at the place where the writing lines are beginning in the considered language, in English, left!
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